If Americans will count as foreigners...

[yellowbismark]

how will Toronto participate in the college draft?

I can't imagine they are going to want to spend foreign slots on American college players, and there can't be too many Canadian college players out there...and even if there were some worthy ones, it would be awkward for them to stray from the draft board just to pick the Canadian...
:confused:

Are they just going to trade all of their picks or something?

In my own opinion I think it was the wrong choice to make Americans count as foreigners. It's just going to make transactions within league more difficult for Toronto. I want them to find success developing Canadian talent, and I don't think having Americans and Canadians both counting as domestic would disrupt that too badly.

[TopDogg]

These are all issues that I too am quite interested to see how they will be addressed.

Just count Canadians and Americans as domestics and it'll save a lot of headaches, IMO.

[houston_fc]

If I remember correctly, Toronto will get an additional 3 (?) foreigner spots on their roster as long as they use them on Americans.

[PJohnson]

If MLS is to allow Canadian based clubs, and as of today they are, then players from both countries should count as "domestic" players. That means that any team in the league could sign a Canadian or U.S. Citizen without using an International roster spot.

All this talk about Toronto FC loading up on Canadian players is just stupid and shortsighted. If the CSA really wants to create opportunites for Canadian players they should appose that concept. By allowing Canadian Citizens to sign as a domestic player with any club in MLS you increase the opportunities for Canadian players. And with that experience the National Team is sure to improve.

Not that I care of course. Go USA! ;)

[SoccerFreak]

I remember reading somewhere that Toronto must have no less than 7 Canadian players on the field, and that one of the foreign allocations must be an American player.

[scaryice]

If I remember correctly, Toronto will get an additional 3 (?) foreigner spots on their roster as long as they use them on Americans.

Pretty sure that's the case. Plus, every MLS team gets three YI's (youth internationals), who are under 25 years of age.

Also, I'm pretty sure that like Chivas/RSL, Toronto will get 2 additional YI's for their first two season.

So they could have 12 non-Candians on the 28 man roster. This should really be a sticky here in this forum.

[falvo]

Pretty sure that's the case. Plus, every MLS team gets three YI's (youth internationals), who are under 25 years of age.

Also, I'm pretty sure that like Chivas/RSL, Toronto will get 2 additional YI's for their first two season.

So they could have 12 non-Candians on the 28 man roster. This should really be a sticky here in this forum.
I've listed this on another thread but thought it would deserve a mention here. I realize there are a lot of good Canadians and I've always liked the NASL Canadians as opposed to the NASL American born players. However, what happens at least initially if the Canadians they do sign are not MLS caliber or quality MLS players? I mean let's say the Canadian players turn out to be as good as or worse than the Chivas were in their rookie year? If that is the case will Toronto want to go out and scout or sign MLS American born players in the future?

[scaryice]

I've listed this on another thread but thought it would deserve a mention here. I realize there are a lot of good Canadians and I've always liked the NASL Canadians as opposed to the NASL American born players. However, what happens at least initially if the Canadians they do sign are not MLS caliber or quality MLS players? I mean let's say the Canadian players turn out to be as good as or worse than the Chivas were in their rookie year? If that is the case will Toronto want to go out and scout or sign MLS American born players in the future?

Toronto will have to use Canadian players no matter what. That's the point. They're trying to develop Canadian soccer.

[falvo]

Toronto will have to use Canadian players no matter what. That's the point. They're trying to develop Canadian soccer.
But what if they are no good, will they have no choice but to use Americans?
Anyway, I'm not trying to be a jerk I just want to know that is all. I thought the NASL Canadians were much better than their American counterparts but 25 years have passed. Below is the list of Metros/Blizzard players. The only americans I can point out are future federation guru Dan Counce and former national team left back Jimmy McAlister. There were a lot of Canadians, however.

Abbondanza, Alessandr Tor 79
Aird, Kenny Tor 77
Albanis, Nick Tor 80
Alves, Jose Luis Tor 71
Ariganello, Ottavio Tor 76
Arslanovic, Ibrahim Tor 75
Ataide, Bene Tor 71
Averell, Bobby Tor 72-73
Baldin,Paolo Tor 72
Balevski,Vanco Tor 78
Barison,Paolo Tor 72
Bastyovanszky,Laszlo Tor 71
Best,Clyde Tor 81-82
Bettega,Roberto Tor 83-84
Bidiak,Terry Tor 71
Bilecki,Zeljko Tor 75-78
Blair,Corcel Tor 75
Blaskovic,Filip Tor 76-78
Bone,Jim Tor 79-80
Boniperti,Gianpaolo Tor 81
Bradley,Brendan Tor 76
Bradvic,Marijan Tor 75;77
Brand,Jack Tor 74-75
Braun,Teo Tor 73
Budd,Brian Tor 78-79
Burns,Tim Tor 72-75
Busby,Drew Tor 79-80
Byrne,David Tor 82-84
Cahill,Liam Tor 71
Caires,Furico Tor 76
Calvert,Cliff Tor 79-81 Tor 82-84
Cehaic,Mirsad Tor 75
Cervin,Tore Tor 81
Chursky,Tony Tor 80-82
Cimpiel,Paulo Tor 76
Correia,Felix Tor 71
Counce,Dan Tor 79
Courage,Nick Tor 74
Coyne,John Tor 75
Cropley,Alex Tor 81
Crudgington,Geoff Tor 71
Cukon,Mladen Tor 76-77
Da Costa,Joao Tor 71
Da Costa,Virginlo Tor 71
D'Agostino,Paul Tor 76
D'Alfonso,Aldo Tor 79
Davey,Conleth Tor 84
Davidson,Duncan Tor 81-82
Davis,Phil Tor 71
DeLuca,Pasquale Tor 82-84
DiLuca,Bob Tor 71
Donlavey,Frank Tor 72
Douglas,Jim Tor 74
Drobniak,Obrad Tor 74
Duerden,Peter Tor 71-72
Eusebio Tor 76
Fahy,John Tor 72
Fairclough,David Tor 82
Falzon,Charlie Tor 83-84
Fazuc,Miralem Tor 75-76
Feamley,Gordon Tor 76
Ferreira,Ivair Tor 75-79
Franks,Cohn Tor 79-82
Galluzzo,Norberto Tor 78
Gemeri,Tibor Tor 81
Gemert,Robert Tor 76
Giani,Enzo Tor 71
Gibbs,George Tor 79-80
Godoka,Robert Tor 79
Greenhoff,Jimmy Tor 81
Grnja,Ivan Tor 76
Habermann,Sven Tor 83-84
Hafizovic,Kemal Tor 78
Hammond,Paul Tor 84
Harkin,Terry Tor 73
Hatley,Graham Tor 80-81
Henderson,David Tor 79
Horrocks,Chris Tor 76
Howard,Dick Tor 71-74
Izivkic,Steve Tor 77
James,Paul Tor 83-84
Juricko,Zdravko Tor 76
Jurisak,Ivan Tor 77
Jusic,Emir Tor 75
Jutt,Mario Tor 77
Karlsson,Conny Tor 83-84
Kelly,Jimmy Tor 81
Kocijancic,Ivan Tor 78
Kodeija,Victor Tor 82-83
Konstantinou,Vasilios Tor 78
Kovacic,Goran Tor 77
larusci,Robert Tor 76-77
Lazarevic,Vojin Tor 74
Lecce,Tony Tor 71-73
Lefkos,Jim Tor 71
Leggat,Graham Tor 71
Lenarduzzi,Sam Tor 79-82
Lindsay,Alec Tor 79
Loparic,Stjepan Tor 78
Lorimer,Peter Tor 79-80
Lukacevic,Ivan Tor 75-76 Tor 78-80
MacHattie,Ian Tor 71-72
MacKay,John Tor 79
Major,Ernst Tor 75
Marcantonio,Carmine Tor 76
Maria,Jose Tor 77
Martini,Luigi Tor 81
Mata,Paulo Tor 79
Matas,Boris Tor 78
Mateus,Mario Silva Tor 79
McAlister,Jim Tor 80
McCallum,Trevor Tor 83-84
McDonald,Jim Tor 73
McLenaghen,Mike Tor 80
McPhee,Ian Tor 73-75
McQueen,David Tor 81-82
McVie,Willie Tor 79-80
Medeiros,Antonio Tor 71-73
Merrick,Alan Tor 82
Mestre,Julio Amador Tor 71
Miller,Cohn Tor 82-84
Mitchell,Charlie Tor 79
Moffatt,Angus Tor 71-72
Molina,Juan Carlos Tor 82
Moller,Jan Tor 82-83
Moraes,Jose Tor 72
Morini,Francesco Tor 80
Muir,Walter Tor 71-73
Needham,David Tor 82
Nicholl,Jimmy Tor 82-84
Ntsoelengoe,Ace Tor 82-84
Ogunsuyi,Damian Tor 79
Paez,Oscar Tor 78
Papadopoulos,Pampos Tor 78
Parkes,Phil Tor 83
Paskin,John Tor 84
Perani,Marino Tor 75
Peric,Goran Tor 75
Perrichon,Miguel Tor 72-73
Pilas,Bruno Tor 73-77
Pinto,Fernando Tor 73-74
Polak,Tadeusz Tor 74-78
Polyvious,Panos Tor 71
PoUak,Ivan Tor 78
Prentice,Rob Tor 79-80
Psaker,Boris Tor 75
Puselj,Miaden Tor 77
Ragan,Randy Tor 80-84
Rigas,Themis Tor 76
Rioch,Neil Tor 71
Roberts,Neill Tor 82-83
Robertson,Malcolm Tor 81
Rodrigues,Jose Tor 71
Roe,Paul Tor 78
Roe,Peter Tor 73-80
Rowan,Barry Tor 72
Rowan,Brian Tor 71-75
Salcedo,Ignacio Tor 78
Sambu,Jose Tor 71
Schaefer,Helmut Tor 73-74
Schepers,John Tor 71
Schiraldi,Joe Tor 73-74
Semedo,Quintino Tor 73
Sevastopoulos,Nick Tor 76
Smolcic,Vladimir Tor 78
Solak,Aleja Tor 75
Sono,Jomo Tor 80-82
Sono,Julius Tor 81
Spalding,Derek Tor 83-84
Steele,Keith Tor 77
Steffenhagen,Arno Tor 83
Stephen,Mike Tor 74
Strenicer,Gene Tor 73-77
Suhnholz,Wolfgang Tor 76
Susic,Sead Tor 78
Sutevski,Damir Tor 75-78
Sweetzer,Gordon Tor 80-81
Talbot,Brian Tor 71-72
Tamindric,Blagoje Tor 79-81
Tekin,Gungor Tor 81
Thomson,Dave Tor 71-72
Tompkins,Len Tor 71
Treacy,Ray Tor 78
Tuksa,Val Tor 77
Vabec,Drago Tor 77
Velasquez,Jose Tor 80-81
Velasquez,Manuel Tor 78
Viera,Ademir Tor 74
Vieri,Roberto Tor 75
Volpati,Salvador Tor 71
Vujkovic,Marko Tor 78
Waddell,Bobby Tor 74
Wallace,Gordon Tor 74;80-81
Wardanjan,Lothar Tor 73
Wegerle,Geoff Tor 83
Wilson,Bruce Tor 81-84
Zutelija,Dinko Tor 77

[act smiley]

But what if they are no good, will they have no choice but to use Americans?

That's a choice for whoever is appointed as the team's manager, obviously - they've been told how many slots they get, its up to them to figure out how to use them, whether that's leaving Canadian players on the bench and using international players or signing better Canadian players, or whatever.

[Chowderhead]

Good luck with your team and all, but this topic will get messy eventually. As sure as grass is green.

[totalsoccerfan]

What would happen if Canada qualify for the world cup. I would suspect half of the national team will be playing at Toronto FC.

[Blizzard]

What would happen if Canada qualify for the world cup. I would suspect half of the national team will be playing at Toronto FC.

That's not impossible but it really does all depend on where the guys can make more money, here or in Europe. We have a number of guys in 2nd level European leagues who may very well be doing better there than here moneywise.

B

[Heepster]

...this topic will get messy eventually. As sure as grass is green.
Yes. Having different rules for teams in the same league is asking for trouble. Someone is going to complain it's unfair. The CFL had that problem during their unsuccessful US expansion in the 1990s.

[Toronto Red]

What would happen if Canada qualify for the world cup. I would suspect half of the national team will be playing at Toronto FC.

I thinks that;s the idea pretty much.

Canada should be able to qualify out of Concacaf. They just need some experience and a place to call home. This franchise will play a big part of it.

[Veruca]

I thinks that;s the idea pretty much.

Canada should be able to qualify out of Concacaf. They just need some experience and a place to call home. This franchise will play a big part of it.

Just imagine the next World Cup, if Canada makes it, a stretch for sure, but if they do what happens to Toronto FC during that stretch. Something will have to be done to make sure that they aren't forfeiting games. And the Toronto fans will be real excited to see a USL 1 or 2 level team for 2 months while the real team is in SA.

[warthogfutbal]

Just imagine the next World Cup, if Canada makes it, a stretch for sure, but if they do what happens to Toronto FC during that stretch. Something will have to be done to make sure that they aren't forfeiting games. And the Toronto fans will be real excited to see a USL 1 or 2 level team for 2 months while the real team is in SA.

The last time Yallop qualified for the World Cup he just turned off his playstation.

Did you know that Billy Graham and Canada men’s national team have much in common? They can both make a stadium full of people say "Oh, Jesus."

The main problem with the CSA men’s program is the possum theory!
They play dead at home and get killed on the road.

Q. What's the difference between the CSA and Stonehenge?
A. One is a simple ancient structure, which defies attempts to explain its
origin and function, and the other's a monument in the UK built by druids
to measure time.

I'm so looking forward to MLS in Toronto - hopefully it will bring the beginning of the end to bad & borrowed CSA jokes......

Depending on who is evaluating the on-field talent - Toronto FC supporters could be in for a big surprise - some local OSL sides are entertaining ?'s from locals about relatives who play in foreign leagues and have dual citizenship.

The OSL may see a spike in talent this summer, an early jump on establishing
a reputation prior to free agent camps and winter combines.....

[csufguy]

This whole problem of there being enough players on Toronto FC come the next World Cup is mute. Garber himself said that the MLS will not schedule games(or at least schedule only a handful) next World Cup. I don't have that article, but I'm sure someone can fish it out. I would like to say that I am quite excited about a Canadien team playing in MLS next season. My only concern is that Toronto FC will be made to give up too much to acquire the likes of DeRo, Serioux, Occean, etc.