Ir attacked, Iran says it will attack Israel

[Scarecrow]

http://cnn.netscape.cnn.com/news/story.jsp?floc=ns-tos-news-h-02&idq=/ff/story/0001/20060502/1803855513.htm

TEHRAN, Iran (AP) - Iran's first target would be Israel in any response to a U.S. attack, a Revolutionary Guards commander said Tuesday, reinforcing the Iranian president's past call for Israel to be ``wiped off the map.''

``We have announced that wherever (in Iran) America does make any mischief, the first place we target will be Israel,'' the Iranian Student News Agency quoted Gen. Mohammad Ebrahim Dehghani as saying.

Israel's army chief, Lt. Gen. Dan Halutz, said in an interview published Tuesday that the world has the military might to prevent Iran from developing a nuclear weapon. He also said that if Iran does obtain nuclear capability, it will constitute a threat to Israel's existence.

When asked if the world can, militarily, stop Iran's nuclear program, Halutz told the Maariv newspaper ``Yes, yes. Regarding whether or not the world can, the answer is yes.''

Questioned on whether Israel would be involved in such a military operation against its top enemy, Halutz said ``We are part of the world.''

Seems like Armanass and his wiping Israel off the map weren't just words. Seems like all the statements made by armanass about war and Israel are just preludes to actions he is planning to take.

Of course I remember Saddam making similar remarks and firing missiles into Israel as well. Is armanass really going to follow the same playbook Saddam did? I mean it didn't work out too well for him now did it?

Anyway as for Iran, I can't believe the people of Iran are willing to follow armanass to a war that will surely not be good for Iran. I mean look at the whole nuclear energy issue, I do not see where anyone says Iran cannot have nuclear energy, I do see where the EU, and the US do not want Iran enriching their own uranium, and given the words spewed from armanass is it any wonder why?

But maybe alot of people there really think the 12th iman is on his way....

[sardus_pater]

Look at the the bright side of the statement, if not attacked they won't retaliate against anyone.

I would like people not to revert the reality of things. An Iran which says it will retaliate to an attack is not the aggressor but the one being aggressed.

No play with words can change this reality (no exaggeration of both the power of the elected president as opposed to the supreme leader nor the foolish statements he makes) even if you think that attacking Iran to prevent them from having the means to produce nukes is a good idea.

The one who attack first is the one who start a war... etc. etc.

The point is, you cannot really play the victim or pretend to be outraged by iran stating it will retaliate nor to prove they're dangerous, aggressive or else. Hell, they are answering to hypothesis of attacks vs them.

Now, is it fair to retaliate vs Israel if it's USA who is attacking? IMO no.

Even if Israel is and has been (long before boogeyman Ahmadinejad was elected) a major proponent of an attack vs Iran as the article linked shows once again.

I still think that only viable solution is thru diplomacy, failing that, the big guys of the world have to accept it and make room for another (regional) power.

[ali2006]

will be a chaos

[sardus_pater]

will be a chaos

Yes I think it sums up well the real menace Iran is making if attacked. "if attacked we will open the pandora box".

[BenReilly]

If Iran attacks America, we have no choice but to destroy Bulgaria. I encourage the Bulgarians to use their influence in the region wisely and constructively.

[Kamran]

Even with all the spin that you guys put in such news, anyone with a working brain can easily see that US will have to get help from Israel if there is going to be an attack on Iran simply because Israel is the only country in region that will agree to such an attack (hell I think Israel would be the only country in the world assisting US in such a war)... so stop trying to twist the facts, if Iran is attacked every country involved with such attacks will get hurt and Iran has every right to retaliate... nobody can take that right away from Iran!

[BenReilly]

Look at the the bright side of the statement, if not attacked they won't retaliate against anyone.

If America attacks Iran, Iran will bomb Israel. If America doesn't attack Iran, Iran will wipe Israel off the map. If America attacks Cuba, Iran will both bomb and wipe Israel off the map.

[BenReilly]

Even with all the spin that you guys put in such news, anyone with a working brain can easily see that US will have to get help from Israel if there is going to be an attack on Iran simply because Israel is the only country in region that will agree to such an attack

In case you haven't noticed, there are American troops in Iraq and Afghanistan. Given the above threat, it has become clear to me that Israel must prevent America from attacking Iran. Since Israel is unable to conquer America, the only other alternative is to launch a pre-emptive nuclear strike on Iran. It is unlikely that America will attack Iran after it is nuked.

[sardus_pater]

Even with all the spin that you guys put in such news, anyone with a working brain can easily see that US will have to get help from Israel if there is going to be an attack on Iran simply because Israel is the only country in region that will agree to such an attack (hell I think Israel would be the only country in the world assisting US in such a war)... so stop trying to twist the facts, if Iran is attacked every country involved with such attacks will get hurt and Iran has every right to retaliate... nobody can take that right away from Iran!

Kami, one thing is to say that Iran will retaliate vs anyone directly attacking or actively helping (for example, letting use their bases etc. etc.), another one is to say that no matter what they are going to target that given country as a retaliation.

And if it's true that Israel is the most vocal proponent of an attack vs iran (something that has to be underlined -> well before Ahmadinejad was elected, so let's not pretend this is just because of him) it is also true that Iran has now, thanks to Ahm., a history of vocal threats vs israel. (the wipe off saga).

What that iranian guy is REALLY saying is "attack our nuclear facilities and we will open the pandora box, ie (try to) start WW3". Is the world and the world's economy willing to pay the price? Just to prevent Iran from mastering the nuclear technology = Iran becoming a (regional) power in Oil-land?

Iran attacking Israel is not = Saddam attacking Israel. It would be a huge blow and Israel will surely retaliate and a lot of arab/muslim countries would seriously risk to be sucked into warfare. And etc. etc. a terrible and very dangerous escalation.

[Rostam]

I am a true believer in simplicity and its ability to manifest the truth.
Let's review some key points again:

1) No secret that "neo-cons" wrote the doctrine for war, and still twicking the details.
2) No secret that the key members of "neo-cons", currently within the adminstration are proponents of the "big war".
3) No secret that Israel wants USA to bomb Iran.
4) No secret that AIPAC and other Israeli supporters have been lobbying for war

One can make his/her own logical conclusion.

[BenReilly]

1) No secret that "neo-cons" wrote the doctrine for war, and still twicking the details.
2) No secret that the key members of "neo-cons", currently within the adminstration are proponents of the "big war".
3) No secret that Israel wants USA to bomb Iran.
4) No secret that AIPAC and other Israeli supporters have been lobbying for war

And what is taking so damned long?! Usually the gentiles follow orders much more quickly than this.

[odessit19]

What effing pandora box - it's all talk. Every nation that has threatened US or Israel - only succeeded in signing their death sentence quicker. All will be well and as of now Iran retracted that statement:http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060503/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iran_israel;_ylt=Aml1f2OR53MExBvGp8VNpzKs0NUE;_ylu=X3oDMTA3b3JuZGZhBHNlYwM3MjE-
Mr. Dehghani was the spokesman of a military maneuver which ended on April 8, and his statement is his personal view and has no validity as far as the Iranian military officials are concerned," Afshar was quoted as saying.


Good idea, keep your trap shut...

[yasik19]

I am a true believer in simplicity and its ability to manifest the truth.
Let's review some key points again:

1) No secret that "neo-cons" wrote the doctrine for war, and still twicking the details.
2) No secret that the key members of "neo-cons", currently within the adminstration are proponents of the "big war".
3) No secret that Israel wants USA to bomb Iran.
4) No secret that AIPAC and other Israeli supporters have been lobbying for war

One can make his/her own logical conclusion.

1). No secret Iran wants to destroy Israel
2). No secret Iran wants to wipe Israel off the map
3). No secret Iranian president has stated Iran needs to wipe Israel off the map

However, it is a secret that Rostam CAN make a logical conclusion.

[iSafa]

1). No secret Iran wants to destroy Israel
2). No secret Iran wants to wipe Israel off the map
3). No secret Iranian president has stated Iran needs to wipe Israel off the map

However, it is a secret that Rostam CAN make a logicalconclusion.
:rolleyes: poor Israel

[yasik19]

:rolleyes: poor Israel

your contribution to this thread is simply stunning. thanks

[Scarecrow]

Ok, I understand the POV about Israel from the Iranian posters here concerning AIPAC and the other lobbying that goes on. Fine. But isn't it a bit hypocritical to support Iran attacking Israel if the US were to attack Iran? I mean you have Iran who funds and supports Hezbollah and has now given $50 Million to Hamas another terror group who along with Hezbollah have dedicated themselves to destroying Israel.

So doesn't it make sense on Israels part that they should want to see Iran taken down?

What is also really stupid about all this is that while Israel and Iran do not get along now, and that is because of the Mullahs, neither really like the Arabs much at all.

[Iranian Monitor]

What effing pandora box - it's all talk. Every nation that has threatened US or Israel - only succeeded in signing their death sentence quicker. All will be well and as of now Iran retracted that statement:http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060503/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iran_israel;_ylt=Aml1f2OR53MExBvGp8VNpzKs0NUE;_ylu=X3oDMTA3b3JuZGZhBHNlYwM3MjE-
Mr. Dehghani was the spokesman of a military maneuver which ended on April 8, and his statement is his personal view and has no validity as far as the Iranian military officials are concerned," Afshar was quoted as saying.


Good idea, keep your trap shut...

A so-called moderate paper in Iran, "Entekhab" (Election), with close ties to those factions in Iranian politics who believe that it is not helpful to Iran with its nuclear file before the UN Security Council to feed into Israeli propaganda, basically decided to conduct its own 'diplomacy'. One of its reporters were sent to a rival military officer with a different viewpoint during a book exhibit, got a private quote from him, translated that quote for the wire services so it would be reported as Iran rejecting the earlier comments.

If Iran is ever attacked by the US/Israel, Iran will respond in the way it deems most appropriate depending on a host of factors. Those who need to figure out what such a retaliation might entail can figure it out for themselves, with some help when necessary by others. The rest, including the comments attributed by a newspaper opposed to Ahmadinejad quoting a spokesman for the Iranian military chief of staff in the article you posted, are all just talk. The precise details of Iran's military tactics and response aren't going to be announced beforehand.

[odessit19]

The precise details of Iran's military tactics and response aren't going to be announced beforehand.

Neither will the time, scale and how of military tactics against Iran.

[ali2006]

Neither will the time, scale and how of military tactics against Iran. iran will win in this nuclear game.

[odessit19]

iran will win in this nuclear game.

right, like the rest of the muslim world that tried wiping out Israel before. Good luck with that:rolleyes: