Clean SWEEP LIST

[FMF_LFP]

List players that need to get the boot from America

List players who should be signed with America

[Rafael Hernandez]

You should get rid of Dulio Davino. He has been awful.

Oscar Rojas looks like he really got hit by being left out of the WC team. Still you should get rid of him and send him to Pumas to make up for sending us that garbage Salinas.

[eL-ShorTy]

Players that need to go:
Davino
Zepeda
Soares
Kléber

[AMEPUNKANIST]

Todo los extranjeros y Mexicanos de Padres extranjeros.

[Ritter]

OUT

Lapuente and his friends
Ireneo
chaco
zepeda
kleber

[amanzo81]

Players who need to go
Kleber flashes of brilliance, but mostly clumsy play
Soares never showed the ability to play with america
Zepeda isnt even on the team anymore
Piojo his speed is fading and he has absolutely no right foot
Pardo lost his game since he lost the capitancy

Players who's time is comming
Davino done alot with america, but has some major mistakes
R Rojas same
Blanco injuries and age might be too much for him
Villa still tough, but might be time to step aside

Players who should move on to better leagues
Ochoa is young enough and good enough to fight for a spot on a euro team without ego problems
Castro won two titles already and could open eyes if he gets WC playing time


Players who should come in
Cuevas loan should be up and midfield is an area of need

I dont know of any other guys that they could pick up, havent heard any rumors. A solid back up keeper could be nice in case ochoa leaves. A shut down defensa central would also be good. Overall though, the players are there to replace these guys. Rojas, Mendoza, Torres, Tena, Padilla, Arguello, and Fernadez are sutible players. A big name player would be necessary though, to keep the world class america image.

[puromorelia]

Players who need to go
Kleber flashes of brilliance, but mostly clumsy play
Soares never showed the ability to play with america
Zepeda isnt even on the team anymore
Piojo his speed is fading and he has absolutely no right foot
Pardo lost his game since he lost the capitancy

Players who's time is comming
Davino done alot with america, but has some major mistakes
R Rojas same
Blanco injuries and age might be too much for him
Villa still tough, but might be time to step aside

Players who should move on to better leagues
Ochoa is young enough and good enough to fight for a spot on a euro team without ego problems
Castro won two titles already and could open eyes if he gets WC playing time


Players who should come in
Cuevas loan should be up and midfield is an area of need

I dont know of any other guys that they could pick up, havent heard any rumors. A solid back up keeper could be nice in case ochoa leaves. A shut down defensa central would also be good. Overall though, the players are there to replace these guys. Rojas, Mendoza, Torres, Tena, Padilla, Arguello, and Fernadez are sutible players. A big name player would be necessary though, to keep the world class america image.

Well I hear "Pipino" Cuevas is a done deal for the next tournament but hes a liability even !! has displayed flashes of greatness yet followed by very mediocre appareances... I can see him coming into America and MAYBE being effective much like Kleber and Piojo have been but eventually fading away...

Rojas should stay, he has alot of growth to do still and same goes for Torres, Even the chileno Rojas is very very tough, I believe he can regain his form he just needs better support and a new good defender to compliment him and that defensive backline.

ones who should definately go IMO:

Davino
kleber
Piojo
Soares
Zepeda

What America badly needs is a LEADER at Midfield but Not a washed up player like Chaco who although playing good is past his prime and doesnt have the youth in his favor. If Im America I get rid of all the "garbage" extranjeros they have and bring just ONE GOOD young extranjero in replacement, someone with youth, skills, leadership and there is a very good one playing in Velez, his name is "Gracian" that to me would be the perfect fit to bring this team along back to greatness.

With a guy like Gracian, 1 or 2 more healthy years by Blanco, the experience of Villa, Rojas, Pardo and the youth of Torres, Rojas and Gringo along with the support of "pipino", chaco and Padilla America wouldnt really need much to be back in the middle of things in a short period of time!!!

[LMvCP]

Im excited....

Ochoa [GK]
Castro [RB]
Rojas [LB]
Arguello [DM]
Mendoza [LM]
Torres [RM]
Fernandez [F]

it took Lapuente balls to put in Santiago Fdz in a game that literally determined our future. I think the kid played brilliantly. Very sharp skills, great ball control, great vision.

I think Paco Torres is starting to become that player we all hoped for. Very good on the right side.

Hopefully Soares and Chaco leave... I would rather have Pepino Cuevas in there

[amanzo81]

What America badly needs is a LEADER at Midfield but Not a washed up player like Chaco who although playing good is past his prime and doesnt have the youth in his favor. If Im America I get rid of all the "garbage" extranjeros they have and bring just ONE GOOD young extranjero in replacement, someone with youth, skills, leadership...

isnt chaco only 24? but i agree that america needs somone in the midfield to control a game. Villa is to defensive for this role, but is useful otherwise. Torres could slip into the role, but he seemes better suited for the flanks to provide a change of pace. Cuevas, if he does show up, doesnt convince for this role either. I think it is time for america to start importing younger foreigners (in limited numbers) that havent played in mexico yet.

[puromorelia]

isnt chaco only 24? but i agree that america needs somone in the midfield to control a game. Villa is to defensive for this role, but is useful otherwise. Torres could slip into the role, but he seemes better suited for the flanks to provide a change of pace. Cuevas, if he does show up, doesnt convince for this role either. I think it is time for america to start importing younger foreigners (in limited numbers) that havent played in mexico yet.

Just turned 25 in February but plays older than that! I think Cuevas can be effective but only for so long, I do agree with the fact they should bring limited foreigners if theyre gonna have to depend on them but like u say guys who will be first timers here in Mexico.

[LMvCP]

Just turned 25 in February but plays older than that! I think Cuevas can be effective but only for so long, I do agree with the fact they should bring limited foreigners if theyre gonna have to depend on them but like u say guys who will be first timers here in Mexico.

:rolleyes:

i agree with you that Chaco needs to leave... what I dont agree with is that you just write just for the sake of reading what you post...

you write many times without knowing the details (as in this case) and whether you exclude them because you dont know them or dont care to include them (like the America-morelia match that until I brought up the "real" situation) is up for debate.

[puromorelia]

:rolleyes:

i agree with you that Chaco needs to leave... what I dont agree with is that you just write just for the sake of reading what you post...

you write many times without knowing the details (as in this case) and whether you exclude them because you dont know them or dont care to include them (like the America-morelia match that until I brought up the "real" situation) is up for debate.

I write to state facts and to voice my points of view, now that means I will find those who will agree and those who will disagree but thats ok with me.

As for the America-Morelia match we discussed this enough and I was the one to bring this up first you simply brought out your stance on the matter but like I told you during that debate, you'll stand by your beliefs of what went on and really happened that day and Ill stand by mine. So what you refer to as the "real" situation is "SImply" your thoughts and opinions on the matter but in fact you even stated as a fact that you DID NOT watch or witnessed the match so how credible do you expect your arguments to be??? I dont care how many papers you read on the subject or how much you've heard on the matter, that only shows youre voicing your opinions through third parties which are the sources by which you got your information. Meanwhile I got my source from my own eyes because I lived through that and witnessed that myself!!!

[LMvCP]

I write to state facts and to voice my points of view, now that means I will find those who will agree and those who will disagree but thats ok with me.

writing that X player is old, when in fact that players is young in not stating facts. And to cover it up by saying that he plays like he is old just is further proof that you tend to speak of matters that you are not informed of.

voicing your opinion if fine. I agrew with you that Chaco needs to go. He has not been a consistant player with America. I dont care what he did in Boca, Veracruz, etc.

As for the America-Morelia match we discussed this enough and I was the one to bring this up first you simply brought out your stance on the matter but like I told you during that debate, you'll stand by your beliefs of what went on and really happened that day and Ill stand by mine.

The point of that discussion was the you mentioned an instance without putting it into perspective. You mentioned that incident in an attempt to persuade people. I simply put it into perspective of what happened.

And its not about my beliefs, its about the facts. The facts that you never disclosed until I came along

So what you refer to as the "real" situation is "SImply" your thoughts and opinions on the matter but in fact you even stated as a fact that you DID NOT watch or witnessed the match so how credible do you expect your arguments to be???

no my thought and opinions. Me stating that the rules were establighed wayt before that game IS NOT AN OPINION. It is a FACT!

So, do you need to watch a game to know that a tie breaker is determined by away goals, pks, league standings? WEAK ARGUMENT ON YOUR BEHALF :rolleyes:

I dont care how many papers you read on the subject or how much you've heard on the matter, that only shows youre voicing your opinions through third parties which are the sources by which you got your information.

What if I were to tell you that I met and spoke with Lic. Ramon Chavira (an FMF employee at the time) and we discussed that incident. What if I were to tell you that the bylaws (tie breaking) were established months before the the start of the regular season?

Do you need to watch a game to know that?

Meanwhile I got my source from my own eyes because I lived through that and witnessed that myself!!!

I lived it to. AGAIN, what does watching a game have to do with knwoing the bylaws?

[puromorelia]

What if I were to tell you that I met and spoke with Lic. Ramon Chavira (an FMF employee at the time) and we discussed that incident. What if I were to tell you that the bylaws (tie breaking) were established months before the the start of the regular season?



And again ill tell you Go ahead and believe in third party sources because I dont see those as relevant as for you speaking to that Lic. FMF employer what have you, very nice of you and glad to hear that but what IF I tell you that these same FMF characters have as much credibility as Marco Antonio Rodriguez who Brizio calls "el mejor arbitro de mexico"

That being said It wouldnt change my opinion one bit even IF that same character you mention here would come and tell me years later right to my face. You expect me to believe in the same people that got us fvked over from italia 90 during the "Cachirules" incident?? or the same ones that brought us the "ojitos" Meza era, or how about the current ones that were about to fcvk us over again by almost having Giovanni Dosantos quit our NT for good ?? and for that matter the ones who bring us guys like "chuquidracula" to our league ?? the same lame ********k referee that has tainted the past 2 Finales in our league and created so much controversy???

Im sorry but i simply cant!!!!! and Im even surprised that YOU trust in them so much even after you attack this same people so much for covering up situations regarding Lavolpe's handling of el tri that you so much discuss over and oevr in this forum....

So you go ahead and rely and believe on your third party sources EVEN if they come from the top of the FMF " bunch of corruptos" but I will stick to what I see with my own eyes and can judge for myself having lived through those incidents.

[LMvCP]

And again ill tell you Go ahead and believe in third party sources because I dont see those as relevant as for you speaking to that Lic. FMF employer what have you, very nice of you and glad to hear that but what IF I tell you that these same FMF characters have as much credibility as Marco Antonio Rodriguez who Brizio calls "el mejor arbitro de mexico"

Answer the question, do you need to watch a game to know that rules are established before the season starts and that ANY AND ALL amendments passed are signed by each club president (or represenative)?

That being said It wouldnt change my opinion one bit even IF that same character you mention here would come and tell me years later right to my face.

despite the monumental fck up that the officiating committed, why is it that Morelia's presidents took no further action? Why is it that every club owner (including Morelia) went on to say that the rules were in place and that the only mess up that occured was that the ref did not know apply the rules (something America, Morelia had no control over).

You expect me to believe in the same people that got us fvked over from italia 90 during the "Cachirules" incident?? or the same ones that brought us the "ojitos" Meza era, or how about the current ones that were about to fcvk us over again by almost having Giovanni Dosantos quit our NT for good ?? and for that matter the ones who bring us guys like "chuquidracula" to our league ?? the same lame ********k referee that has tainted the past 2 Finales in our league and created so much controversy???

Bla bla bla bla

ever club president (including yours) later stated that the ref was at fualt for not knowing the bylaws that were set.

Im sorry but i simply cant!!!!! and Im even surprised that YOU trust in them so much even after you attack this same people so much for covering up situations regarding Lavolpe's handling of el tri that you so much discuss over and oevr in this forum....

I dont trust them. But I am not looking for a black cat in a balck room. It is not a conspiracy when 20 club owners sit down before the 1st game of the season and draft up the rules, makes copies, and sign them.

So you go ahead and rely and believe on your third party sources EVEN if they come from the top of the FMF " bunch of corruptos" but I will stick to what I see with my own eyes and can judge for myself having lived through those incidents.

again... what does your eyes have to do with 20 club presidents signing a set of rules that determine the league's format?

[terrible15]

Im excited....

Ochoa [GK]
Castro [RB]
Rojas [LB]
Arguello [DM]
Mendoza [LM]
Torres [RM]
Fernandez [F]

it took Lapuente balls to put in Santiago Fdz in a game that literally determined our future. I think the kid played brilliantly. Very sharp skills, great ball control, great vision.

I think Paco Torres is starting to become that player we all hoped for. Very good on the right side.

Hopefully Soares and Chaco leave... I would rather have Pepino Cuevas in there

Ochoa: Great Keeper
Castro: He's alright
Rojas: He's alright
Arguello: Barely plays
Mendoza: He's alright but didn't get a lot playing time last season
Torres: He's been inconsisten throughout his short career
Fernandez: He's just another prospect

America is going to have a tough season if they decide to give it a shot with these guys...out of that list there's only 4 starters

[LMvCP]

Ochoa: Great Keeper
Castro: He's alright
Rojas: He's alright
Arguello: Barely plays
Mendoza: He's alright but didn't get a lot playing time last season
Torres: He's been inconsisten throughout his short career
Fernandez: He's just another prospect

America is going to have a tough season if they decide to give it a shot with these guys...out of that list there's only 4 starters

Castro is solid as a righ back... Rojas is solid as a left back...they give you 2 different things... castro gives you great defense and lungs... Rojas gives you good offense..

Torres has been playing more and more... and is starting to become a really good player. Only time will tell if he becomes a great player

[eL-ShorTy]

Im excited....

Ochoa [GK]
Castro [RB]
Rojas [LB]
Arguello [DM]
Mendoza [LM]
Torres [RM]
Fernandez [F]


Don't forget Julien Freire. I know he has only played 1 game but he did show he can play in la primera.

[LMvCP]

Don't forget Julien Freire. I know he has only played 1 game but he did show he can play in la primera.

what i saw from him really impressed me. great vision. good physical stature which is good if he is going to play center forward (which I am told is his natural position). But.. it looked like the kid can play further behind...

But again... until he plays more.. you really cant make an honest assesment... however... with Santiago... I have seen him play alot... have seen him practice... the kid is damn good...

[Don Boppero 3000]

Castro is solid as a righ back... Rojas is solid as a left back...they give you 2 different things... castro gives you great defense and lungs... Rojas gives you good offense..

Torres has been playing more and more... and is starting to become a really good player. Only time will tell if he becomes a great player


I also see Torres becoming a solid player. Santiago did play like an old veteran and perhaps a penality exsisted on that one play where he was creamed in the box by MTY keeper. I say he gets the nod along with Cuevas. We can still can keep Padilla coming off the bench.