Robert Huth - The scapegoat- huth 100%

[Bayerntone]

how great is he, Psychosis, care to share? May be you see some special qualities in him that we fail to detect.

[AGF Aarhus]

any body knows how i can get Huth world cup jersey
Ask Huth for his, as he has no business using it himself.

His biggest problem, in my opinion, is that while at time's he is very effective (you have no idea how much it just pained me to write that), he makes simple, costly mistakes. I don't care if you're the greatest defender the world has ever seen (which of course he is not), if you give up that many penalties, free kicks just outside the area, own goals and cards, you have no business being on the field. It's just too risky.

[kickinthehead]

Ask Huth for his, as he has no business using it himself.

His biggest problem, in my opinion, is that while at time's he is very effective (you have no idea how much it just pained me to write that), he makes simple, costly mistakes. I don't care if you're the greatest defender the world has ever seen (which of course he is not), if you give up that many penalties, free kicks just outside the area, own goals and cards, you have no business being on the field. It's just too risky.


Exactly. The last two games I saw him play in, his mistakes caused two goals. I think he's more of a liability than an asset.

[Zwanzigoetzel]

As opposed to Huth who spent his entire season on the bench, scratch that, entire career at Chelsea on the bench.

That's all that needs to be said! There are additional reasons but this man has no business playing in the German NT for that reason alone.

[Psychosis hsv]

Ask Huth for his, as he has no business using it himself.

His biggest problem, in my opinion, is that while at time's he is very effective (you have no idea how much it just pained me to write that), he makes simple, costly mistakes. I don't care if you're the greatest defender the world has ever seen (which of course he is not), if you give up that many penalties, free kicks just outside the area, own goals and cards, you have no business being on the field. It's just too risky.
did you watch brazil vs germany in 2004?
he partnered farenhorst and ronaldinho was very scared of him. i like the guy because he is the funniest player alive. the way he held adriano's waist was hilarious! but he is still better than per

[AGF Aarhus]

did you watch brazil vs germany in 2004?
he partnered farenhorst and ronaldinho was very scared of him. i like the guy because he is the funniest player alive. the way he held adriano's waist was hilarious! but he is still better than per
Did you see him in the Northern Ireland game?

'nuf said.

[Psychosis hsv]

Did you see him in the Northern Ireland game?

'nuf said.
no whatt did these god do?

[Psychosis hsv]

Huth was a very good defender untll german media began calling him crap
all he need is counseling and you people to stop discouraging him

when klinsmann took over german defence was goood, if you remeber that opening match of the new olympic stadium
that was because:
mertersacker had not yet won his first cup

and arne friedrich was injured at the time

but things went wrong for huth when you psychologically challenged him and he is suffering from anger given a chance he will kick 100 million people

[poorvi]

Ok, I've done some research on Huth.

http://www.dfb.de/dfb-team/nationalteam/statistik/index.html

His first game, was on 18/8/2004 against Austria. It was Germany's first game after Euro2004, and Klinsmann's first game in charge. The match ended 3-1 to Germany, but Huth player only for 4 minutes.

Second game was on 08/09/2004, against Brazil. It ended 1-1. Huth played full 90 minutes in this one.

Third game was on 09/10/2004 against Iran in Tehran. 2-0 to Germany. Here too Huth played full 90 minutes.

Fourth game was on 17/11/2004, against Cameroon. It ended 3-0 to Germany. Huth played full game here too.

Next game was Slovenia vs Germany on 26/3/2005. It ended 1-0 to Germany.Huth plays full game here too.

Next game was N. Ireland vs Germany, which Germany wins 4-1. Huth plays full 90 minutes here too.

Confederations cup
Next game was Germany vs Australia (4-3) where he played full 90 minutes.
After that were the games against Tunisia, Argentina, Brazil and Mexico, and in all those games he played the full 90 minutes.

Next he played in Netherlands vs Germany 17/08/2005. It ended 2-2. Huth was brought on the pitch after 66 minutes.

Next he played against China on 12/10/2005. It was 1-0 win to Germany.He played the second half.

Next was his game against France on 12/11/05. He played the full game.

The last game for the national team he played was on 01/03/2005 against Italy (1-4). he played full 90 minutes here too.

Add this to the 7-10 odd games he has played the full 90 minutes for Chelsea in the last two season. So he has a GRAND total of 20 or at best 22 games in 2 years in which he has played full 90 minutes. Not enough expereince for a world cup.

Huth never had any psychological problems. That was Deisler. :p

[Wotan]

I think everyone should stop picking on Huth. Granted, he's not the most talented...but he does hustle & give it his all--& this constant "slamming" is not really fair to him.

[ForeverRed]

I think everyone should stop picking on Huth. Granted, he's not the most talented...but he does hustle & give it his all--& this constant "slamming" is not really fair to him.

You're right, no one wants to be criticised like that but we are discussing this in the grand scheme of things, which is the World Cup.

Given his playing time at club and several poor performances at the NT, he doesn't really deserve the attention he gets from Klinsman.

I'm sure no one is out to castrate Robert but he himself has made bad personal decisions which not only hurt him but will affect the NT he plays for, and therefore Germany's chances at the WC.

This issue is not to be taken lightly.

I think I even remember Mourinho, after the Confed Cup, saying that he will give Huth a chance to play enough games to get a medal at the end of the season....

[AGF Aarhus]

Sorry poorvi, but your research is wrong.

[poorvi]

Sorry poorvi, but your research is wrong.

But I got all the data from www.dfb.de
:confused:

[AGF Aarhus]

But I got all the data from www.dfb.de
:confused:
It's not my research, so I'm not going to go through and check everything, but your info on the N. Ireland game is flat out wrong.

He didn't play 90 minutes. He was red carded after 15 minutes for a deliberate handball that gave up a penalty to put N. Ireland ahead.

That's what jumps out at me. Again, I'm not going to check all of this, but if that's what your source says, your source is not very good.

[poorvi]

You are right.

I missed that. I didn't see the bookings list. I just saw the substitutions list, and that indicated that he wasn't substituted during the game. So I assumed he played the full 90 minutes.
Mistake accepted. :)

Eitherways, it just goes on to shows that Huth just doesn't have enough match experience at the highest levels.


Match Report
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Nordirland
Taylor (77. Ingham)
Baird, Clyde, Craigan (77. Brunt), McCartney
Gillespie (70. McAuley), Davis, Johnson, Elliott (67. Kirk)
Jones (67. Feeney), Healy (77. Smith)
Deutschland
Lehmann
Owomoyela, Mertesacker, Huth, Hitzlsperger
B. Schneider (46. Wechsel Deisler), Ballack (73. Wechsel Borowski), Frings, F. Ernst
Asamoah (46. Wechsel Schweinsteiger), Kuranyi (63. Wechsel Podolski)
Statistik:
Zuschauer 14.800 (ausverkauft)
Tor(e) 1:0 Healy (15., Handelfmeter)
1:1 Asamoah (17.)
1:2 Ballack (62.)
1:3 Ballack (66., Elfmeter)
1:4 Podolski (81.)
Schiedsrichter Charlie Richmond (Schottland)
Gelbe Karte(n) Gillespie
Frings
Rote Karte(n) Huth (15., absichtliches Handspiel)

[Psychosis hsv]

I think everyone should stop picking on Huth. Granted, he's not the most talented...but he does hustle & give it his all--& this constant "slamming" is not really fair to him.
unlike mertersacker who hardly gets himself involved in tackles and redcards

[The Old Lady Hertha]

unlike mertersacker who hardly gets himself involved in tackles and redcards

Just like we are unfair on Huth, thats very unfair of Mertesacker. Mertesacker also doesn't have the quality, but he tries as well. And how many red cards has Mertesacker racked up in his career in comparison to Huth?

As for Huth, doesn't anyone see that if he got playing time, he'd be an absolute BEAST??? We saw that in the Confederations Cup...he had trouble in the first few games, but I think he really improved as the Cup wore on.

I mean, seriously he should go on loan to next year...Josip Simunic is leaving, why not go to Hertha or a team of equivalent standing (like Everton or Aston Villa or Borussia Dortmund)? I fail to see how he loses out in this situation (barring significant injury).

[Psychosis hsv]

Just like we are unfair on Huth, thats very unfair of Mertesacker. Mertesacker also doesn't have the quality, but he tries as well. And how many red cards has Mertesacker racked up in his career in comparison to Huth?

As for Huth, doesn't anyone see that if he got playing time, he'd be an absolute BEAST??? We saw that in the Confederations Cup...he had trouble in the first few games, but I think he really improved as the Cup wore on.

I mean, seriously he should go on loan to next year...Josip Simunic is leaving, why not go to Hertha or a team of equivalent standing (like Everton or Aston Villa or Borussia Dortmund)? I fail to see how he loses out in this situation (barring significant injury).
mertersacker its unfair mainly because he is young, but to be honest with you, the guy just stands running in empty spaces.does not throw in any tackle and shies away form advancing strikers.
but.
he has better ball control than huth and he ismore confident

[Psychosis hsv]

do YOU remember when all clubs wanted Huth . newcastle, tottenham, bayern and schalke?
before mourinho took over Huth was good and he played in more matches. but he is too too physical . i hope he will be get that award at the world cup

[The Old Lady Hertha]

do YOU remember when all clubs wanted Huth . newcastle, tottenham, bayern and schalke?
before mourinho took over Huth was good and he played in more matches. but he is too too physical . i hope he will be get that award at the world cup

Iono about being "too" physical, but that is more of a problem of a lack of pace. He can't catch up to the strikers, so instead of trying to catch up, he'll grab the shirt or make a rash tackle and get a card (maybe red). What I'm more concerned about with him is how he GOT to the point of having to foul him...his positioning sense is very worrying and even Mertesacker reads the game better than he does. That directly coincides with playing time. Players of similar physical qualities of Huth (think of Sol Campbell, who isn't a fast player by any stretch of the imagination, in the past few World Cups) are better than Huth because they play more and thus they know where to be at certain times. Huth is young yes, but also doesn't play, which is a double hit for Germany.