greatest teams Champion's League has ever seen-is the current Arsenal one of them? [Archive]

dror_khayat

27 Apr 2006, 01:30 PM

No doubt Arsenal performed their best ever European season in that year.allowed only 1(2?) goal in 12 matches,beat the giants Real Madrid and Juventus one after the other,and played an excellent Football in some of those games.they are the only team(with Barcelona) who didn't loss a single CL match this season.
but do you think this Arsenal is really one of the best teams in CL history.
the list you will see here includes 16 of the best teams in that tournement's history.teams who have reached a new level in their era.
vote for 5 teams which you think were the most impressive in the history of the CL.select exactlly 5-not more and not less.
is the current Arsenal side one of those 5?
vote and discuss...

leg_breaker

27 Apr 2006, 02:36 PM

Leto

27 Apr 2006, 02:43 PM

Are you going to create one of these polls every time anyone wins a match in the CL?

kotto_bass

27 Apr 2006, 03:11 PM

No, not yet. Maybe if they win the CL this year and impress again next year. But then again, they haven't been that impressive in their domestic performance. Most, if not all the other teams dominated both domestic league and CL for at least a year. If it was the same Arsenal side in 03/04 season, it would have been a different story. They entered this year's competition as an underdog.

dror_khayat

27 Apr 2006, 05:31 PM

I would say that if Arsenal wins the final and reaches the high level of the next year's CL(in an impressive way) they will be one of the greatest ever.
but it's still early to say.

Leto

27 Apr 2006, 05:31 PM

I would say that if Arsenal wins the final and reaches the high level of the next year's CL(in an impressive way) they will be one of the greatest ever.

Why?

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Carlitos.

27 Apr 2006, 05:40 PM

celtic's achievement was one of the greatest considering they did it withh 11 players from Glasgow

ibby

27 Apr 2006, 05:45 PM

No. They haven't even won it yet. They beat a past-it Madrid side and a Juve side who didn't try. They were lucky to get past a Villareal side who only got that far by winning on away goals against poor teams. If they beat Barcelona they can be considered a good team, but this is the first time that Wenger's Arsenal have done anything in Europe other than get tanked.
I agree with this guy, they haven't won it yet but we will always go in history as the best defence in europe ever so the title does have a point.
If we do beat barcelona;) we should and will go down as one of the greatest teams to ever win it, same goes for Villareal if they won it.

Leto

27 Apr 2006, 05:49 PM

If we do beat barcelona;) we should and will go down as one of the greatest teams to ever win it, same goes for Villareal if they won it.

Why?

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kotto_bass

27 Apr 2006, 05:54 PM

I agree with this guy, they haven't won it yet but we will always go in history as the best defence in europe ever so the title does have a point.
If we do beat barcelona;) we should and will go down as one of the greatest teams to ever win it, same goes for Villareal if they won it.
You see, greatness is achieved with time and with a certain amount of consistent success. It is sometimes tied to domestic league performances as well. Like AC Milan has been consistent for the last 4 CL, so they are a great side. Liverpool won it last year, beating Juv and finally Milan, but not many people talk about them today. If Arsenal wins the finals, they could go down as one of the most impressive sides, but if they continue with it next year, and say reach the semi finals and/or finals after beating the great sides again, and they are first or even second in EPL, now that is greatness, not just stringing a series of successes as an underdog in one CL season.

ibby

27 Apr 2006, 05:57 PM

You see, greatness is achieved with time and with a certain amount of consistent success. It is sometimes tied to domestic league performances as well. Like AC Milan has been consistent for the last 4 CL, so they are a great side. Liverpool won it last year, beating Juv and finally Milan, but not many people talk about them today. If Arsenal wins the finals, they could go down as one of the most impressive sides, but if they continue with it next year, and say reach the semi finals and/or finals after beating the great sides again, and they are first in the EPL, now that is greatness, not just stringing a series of successes as an underdog in one CL season.
But when was the last time a team has won back to back titles in the Champions League, it is very very hard, and if we do win it in paris to would be last year all over agian. And it has to be the youngest team that has ever reached the final with out 8th choice left back

BocaFan

27 Apr 2006, 06:01 PM

I would say that if Arsenal wins the final and reaches the high level of the next year's CL(in an impressive way) they will be one of the greatest ever.
but it's still early to say.
Nah, they'll be one of the worst ever regardless. Even worse than Liverpool. At least Liverpool beat more great teams on their way to winning the trophy.

BocaFan

27 Apr 2006, 06:03 PM

Leto

27 Apr 2006, 06:03 PM

But when was the last time a team has won back to back titles in the Champions League, it is very very hard

You don't necessarily have to win next year, just compete. Arsenal have never really been serious contenders before apart from possibly in 2003 when they could have gotten past Valencia in the quarters (or was that to go into the quarters? Either way.). One year does not a great team make.

and if we do win it in paris to would be last year all over agian.

Arsenal had nothing to do with Liverpool's victory.

And it has to be the youngest team that has ever reached the final

Don't say that unless you've actually checked it out.

with out 8th choice left back

8th? It's a makeshift defence which makes the record so much more impressive, but who are the first 7 left-backs?

kotto_bass

27 Apr 2006, 06:05 PM

But when was the last time a team has won back to back titles in the Champions League, it is very very hard, and if we do win it in paris to would be last year all over agian. And it has to be the youngest team that has ever reached the final with out 8th choice left back
Like I said, they would be an impressive side. Not by winning back to back, but they need to put on an impressive performance the following year (maybe reach finals or semi-finals, beating some of the big teams along the way) and maybe doing better in EPL too. Ajax 94/95 was a very young side too. They won one year, the next year they reached the finals. The following year, they reached the semifinals. Check out their statistics. During the league stage in '94/'95, they beat Milan side 2-0 both in Armsterdam and in San Siro. Then 1-0 in the finals. And that Milan side was extremely talented. During that period, they dominated the dutch league pretty well. Now, that was a great team!

ibby

27 Apr 2006, 06:12 PM

You don't necessarily have to win next year, just compete. Arsenal have never really been serious contenders before apart from possibly in 2003 when they could have gotten past Valencia in the quarters (or was that to go into the quarters? Either way.). One year does not a great team make.

Arsenal had nothing to do with Liverpool's victory.

Don't say that unless you've actually checked it out.

8th? It's a makeshift defence which makes the record so much more impressive, but who are the first 7 left-backs?
Never said it was anything to do with last years victory, it would be idenitcal.
I think only Ajax come close to us.
The 7 left backs are: Cole, Cilchy, Toure, Eboue, Campbell, Cygan and Lauren, were all tried and tested on the left.
One year does not make a team great?????????? Memba Man utd and the treble????????

Leto

27 Apr 2006, 06:22 PM

Never said it was anything to do with last years victory, it would be idenitcal.

And? If it doesn't have anything do to with Arsenal being a great side why mention it?

I think only Ajax come close to us.

Maybe so - who's to say they weren't younger until you compare the squads?

The 7 left backs are: Cole, Cilchy, Toure, Eboue, Campbell, Cygan and Lauren, were all tried and tested on the left.

Cole, Clichy, yes. Eboué and Touré are not your 3rd & 4th choice LBs, they're your first choice CB and RB. Campbell was never a LB. Cygan was played there but he was barely less makeshift than Flamini (who has been surprisingly good there). A case could be made for Lauren.

One year does not make a team great?????????? Memba Man utd and the treble????????

You mean the team that won the Premiership 3 times in a row, and consistently made their way into CL quarter and semi-finals (on several occasions losing to the eventual winners)?

kotto_bass

27 Apr 2006, 06:25 PM

One year does not make a team great?????????? Memba Man utd and the treble????????
You can make a case for ManU, as you rightly said, they won the treble. But you need to remember, that year, they squeaked by Juv, and pulled a miraculous victory against Bayern in the finals. Now, that same Bayern team went ahead and won the CL the following year, while dominating their domestic league as well. Now, that is another great team :)

Leto

27 Apr 2006, 06:30 PM

You can make a case for ManU, as you rightly said, they won the treble. But you need to remember, that year, they squeaked by Juv, and pulled a miraculous victory against Bayern in the finals. Now, that same Bayern team went ahead and won the CL the following year, while dominating their domestic league as well. Now, that is another great team :)

Squeaked by Juve? They trampled all over them after the first 20 minutes of the second leg, and IIRC had a goal wrongly disallowed in the first (a Roy Keane goal that was ruled out because Giggs was offside, I think). That was a special Bayern team though.

kotto_bass

27 Apr 2006, 06:47 PM

Squeaked by Juve? They trampled all over them after the first 20 minutes of the second leg, and IIRC had a goal wrongly disallowed in the first (a Roy Keane goal that was ruled out because Giggs was offside, I think). That was a special Bayern team though.
Juv could have won the 1st leg, and ManU could only equalize in injury time. In the return leg, it was all Juv within the first few mins, with Inzaghi scoring 2X. I have no idea how United came back. I only recall seeing Roy Keane's header, and he had a lot of determination in his eyes!