View Full Version : who's got the full SI article on Arena
keller4president
25 Apr 2006, 02:44 PM
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/preview/siexclusive/2006/pr/subs/siexclusive/04/24/soccer0501/index.html?url=http%253A%252F%252Fpremium.si.cnn.com%252Fpr%252Fsubs2%252Fsiexclusive%252F2006%252Fpr%252Fsubs%252Fsiexclusive%252F04%252F24%252Fsoccer0501%252Findex.html
please post if you have the full article
appoo
25 Apr 2006, 02:54 PM
that would be illegal.
It's called a bookstore.
Or a library
vmax71
25 Apr 2006, 03:18 PM
I have the full article as an SI subscriber which of course due to copyright laws, I can't repost.
I would HIGHLY recommend that you buy the issue and read Grant Wahl's illuminating take on the personal side of Bruce Arena ... lots and lots of quotes from many important people.
eric515
25 Apr 2006, 03:19 PM
that would be illegal.
It's called a bookstore.
Or a library
Or the Magazine aisle at Target. :)
Flippin' Capitalism...
I was going to try and think of something more snarky...but I just can't be mad at you with your avatars! Damn you!!!
cdin
25 Apr 2006, 03:19 PM
The article is mainly a bio piece and includes a lot of details about him and his family that I hadn't heard before.
The only think that really stuck out a me was this:
Despite Arena's remarkable success on the field, he came close to being fired only 19 months ago. Once again, the culprit was his mouth. In a New York Times article on Sept. 28, 2004, Arena called MLS "insane" for scheduling games during World Cup qualifying, said most MLS regular-season games "mean nothing" and blasted MLS and U.S. Soccer officials for not having "any soccer skills, in terms of knowing the game."
It hardly mattered that Arena's criticisms were largely correct. By the end of the day Garber had fired off an angry letter to Bob Contiguglia, then president of U.S. Soccer, that shot back at the U.S. coach and demanded to discuss the course of action Contiguglia would take. Arena was summoned to an emergency meeting with his bosses. "There was a lot of pressure from MLS owners to do something, but we didn't," says Contiguglia, adding that Arena's dismissal "was close, but I stood in the way."
I remember the quote but I didn't realize that he was that close to being fired. It almost makes me loose a little respect for Garber.
vmax71
25 Apr 2006, 03:21 PM
The article is mainly a bio piece and includes a lot of details about him and his family that I hadn't heard before.
The only think that really stuck out a me was this:
I remember the quote but I didn't realize that he was that close to being fired. It almost makes me loose a little respect for Garber.
No way Garber was going to fire him. This is public posturing to save face to make Garber look like a hard ass and arena a powerful loner who sticks to his principles.
peledre
25 Apr 2006, 03:22 PM
I remember the quote but I didn't realize that he was that close to being fired. It almost makes me loose a little respect for Garber.
Just because he's right doesn't mean he should be saying it in the press. I think the right step was taken, MLS basically said "if you don't like it, then come help us fix it". That's probably how he ended up on the competition committee.
Ringo
25 Apr 2006, 03:24 PM
No way Garber was going to fire him.
especially since Bruce doesn't work for Garber.
cdin
25 Apr 2006, 03:26 PM
Just because he's right doesn't mean he should be saying it in the press. I think the right step was taken, MLS basically said "if you don't like it, then come help us fix it". That's probably how he ended up on the competition committee.
I agree completely, but could imagin the fury if it did happen. BS would implode.
vmax71
25 Apr 2006, 03:31 PM
The article is mainly a bio piece and includes a lot of details about him and his family that I hadn't heard before.
The only think that really stuck out a me was this:
I remember the quote but I didn't realize that he was that close to being fired. It almost makes me loose a little respect for Garber.
Yeah but here is Garber's quote about Bruce. Puts his response in perspective:
"Bruce has the ability to be not just a great coach but a legendary figure for American soccer," says MLS commissioner Don Garber, "and to do that he's going to have to think about what he says and how he says it. I think that's the difference between being good and being great."
eric515
25 Apr 2006, 03:33 PM
I remember the quote but I didn't realize that he was that close to being fired. It almost makes me loose a little respect for Garber.
I agree...when you try and unseat one of the most important men in American soccer history just because he said something you disagree with, you're not exactly making yourself look a reasonable person.
For him to even come "close" as Contigulia said, really makes me wonder if the USSF really appreciates Bruce's abilities.
Yeah but here is Garber's quote about Bruce. Puts his response in perspective:
"Bruce has the ability to be not just a great coach but a legendary figure for American soccer," says MLS commissioner Don Garber, "and to do that he's going to have to think about what he says and how he says it. I think that's the difference between being good and being great."
Really? That's it? Thanks for making me realize achieving greatness was so simple, Commish. I think Bruce could claim he invented the Steam Engine...as long as he betters our performance in the WC this time around, he'll be on his way to Legend status. Regardless of what he says, or what Garber thinks "greatness" is. Geez.
DCUSA
25 Apr 2006, 03:40 PM
Yeah but here is Garber's quote about Bruce. Puts his response in perspective:
"Bruce has the ability to be not just a great coach but a legendary figure for American soccer," says MLS commissioner Don Garber, "and to do that he's going to have to think about what he says and how he says it. I think that's the difference between being good and being great."
Seems that Garber should take his own advice. He could have made his point without sounding like such a knob.
appoo
25 Apr 2006, 03:41 PM
Seems that Garber should take his own advice. He could have made his point without sounding like such a knob.
he didn't go public with his comments.
I don't blame him for being so pissed off.
Soccernethost
25 Apr 2006, 03:43 PM
Shoot the messenger, ignore the truth of his statements. Way to go Don.
DCUSA
25 Apr 2006, 03:43 PM
he didn't go public with his comments.
I don't blame him for being so pissed off.
Well, it's on record, it's not like he was saying it to his secretary. I don't blame him for being pissed either, but he's saying Bruce needs tact and in the same breath displays very little.
Sachin
25 Apr 2006, 03:46 PM
I'm positive very few people in the US Soccer heirarchy actually like Bruce Arena. If you haven't read this article about Il Bruce, I recommend that you do.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/si_online/news/2003/05/15/arena_flashback/
I would not be surprised in the least if Garber demanded that Dr. Bob fire Arena.
Sachin
vmax71
25 Apr 2006, 03:46 PM
Shoot the messenger, ignore the truth of his statements. Way to go Don.
please see apoo's above post ... rinse and then repeat ... for being such a smart and important guy, I think bruce could have aired his concerns in private without shitting on the league producing his players and making the guy running the league (who is trying to buy TV time and attract investors ) look like a powerless idiot.
cdin
25 Apr 2006, 03:55 PM
Yeah but here is Garber's quote about Bruce. Puts his response in perspective:
"Bruce has the ability to be not just a great coach but a legendary figure for American soccer," says MLS commissioner Don Garber, "and to do that he's going to have to think about what he says and how he says it. I think that's the difference between being good and being great."
I agree that Garber had every right to be mad. If I were in his position I would be to. I also agree that Arena needs to think before he speakes sometimes.
But I don't see how that quote has anything to due with Arena almost getting fired. There are only three players in the situation that we know about: Arena, Garber, & Dr Bob. Arena isn't going try and fire himself, Dr Bob protected him, that only leaves Garber to propose firing Arena. Of course there were probably tons of other people involved, but it appears that garber was the main MLS advocate.
To me it would be obserd to fire Arena over a comment that was not offensive and was true for the most part even if it lacked tact.
Of course, we really have know idea of how close he really was to being fired. It might have only been mentioned once and shot down right away.
appoo
25 Apr 2006, 04:01 PM
I'm positive very few people in the US Soccer heirarchy actually like Bruce Arena. If you haven't read this article about Il Bruce, I recommend that you do.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/si_online/news/2003/05/15/arena_flashback/
I would not be surprised in the least if Garber demanded that Dr. Bob fire Arena.
Sachin
He's a prick no doubt. but as long as the players continue to like and respect him, I don't really care
NBlue
25 Apr 2006, 04:24 PM
He's a prick no doubt. but as long as the players continue to like and respect him, I don't really care
As a Gator football fan, I've had the same feelings about my favorite coach for years . . .