Best Coach of CONCACAF

[EvilRick]

O.K.
Whe have seen best player thread and just about any other best, but what about Coaching?

Who do you think is or are the best Coach(es). If you submit a name, please elaborate as to why you think he's best (quality or achivments)

[USSoccer_Dude]

Bruce Arena

We has won TFC championships, MLS Championships and a great WC performance.

[La Brujita]

Easy question. Arena. Of the three world cup teams, Sampson is, well Sampson and Lavolpe is nothing special from what I have seen.

[LMvCP]

id have to say Vasco Aguirre (Currently with Osasuna)

He took small team in Mexico (pachuca) and fought relegation. And then took them to the finals twice winning one of them. The season that he left Pachuca to coach the national team, Pachuca won the championship again. Granted, a different coach won the title, but using Aguirres players and tactics. Everybody still gives credit to Aguirre for that title

Was called in for the MExican NAtional team at its lowest point ever, and qualfiied.

Not even a month as the head coach of the Mexican national team, and the team were runners up in Copa America.

HE had a good showing in the world cup.

Took a job with a small club in Spain (Osasuna) and have turned some heads over thier way.


IT seems to me that he takes teams that are in trouble and fixes them up.

[Various Styles]

I hate Manuel Lapuente (Club America) but he kicked Bruce Arenas Ass everytime they met, Club and Nat team level. He also won a Confed Cup for what its worth. Despite his dreadfull tactics his teams have allways performed well and this includes Clubs World Cup, World Cup, Copa Libertadores, Gold Cup and Copa America...

[LMvCP]

Originally posted by Various Styles
I hate Manuel Lapuente (Club America) but he kicked Bruce Arenas Ass everytime they met, Club and Nat team level. He also won a Confed Cup for what its worth. Despite his dreadfull tactics his teams have allways performed well and this includes Clubs World Cup, World Cup, Copa Libertadores, Gold Cup and Copa America...

Lapuente by far is the most respected head coach in all of CONCACAF. HE is one of the few coaches that other coaches try to mirror. You see it so many times, coaches wait for him to make a substitution and change the tactic and as a result they try to counter him. He is also regarded as one of the best by his international peers. THey have sought his services before in South America and Spain.

He is the 2nd most succsessful coach in Mexico winning 5 titles (2 Puebla, 2 Necaxa, 1 America) and 3 runners up. Sinche he joined America a year and a half ago, they have won 1 title and been super leaders in the standings twice. Not bad. HE is known to produce good young players. As I said before, other coaches do try to mimick him (best example is he is like a Bill Walsh. His assistants tend to do well when they get head coaching jobs.

His teams have done well in Copa America, Copa Confederaciones, Copa Libertadores, World Cup, Gold Cup, League play.


Lapuente said that in about 4 years, he will most likely call it quits.

They always criticize him for being too defensive... but time has also proven that his teams are usually among the top in goalscoring.

He is my favorite heach coach in Concacaf... but I still would have to give Vasco Aguirre the edge. Taking small or troubled teams and fixing them up is no easy task and not a lot of people like to take them.,... but every team he has taken... they have been in trouble and he saves them

[EvilRick]

Originally posted by rdl674
I still would have to give Vasco Aguirre the edge.

I agree, Bruce & Manolo have yet to beat Real Madrid :D

[Various Styles]

Originally posted by rdl674

He is my favorite heach coach in Concacaf... but I still would have to give Vasco Aguirre the edge. Taking small or troubled teams and fixing them up is no easy task and not a lot of people like to take them.,... but every team he has taken... they have been in trouble and he saves them


This thread is about who is the best coach not who has the edge. Manolos achievements speak for themselves. I would rank Bruce Arena right behind him followed by el Vasco Aguirre. However i also feel that Aguirre has the potential to be the best coach of the above mentioned. He is afterall the youngest of the three as far as coaching goes.

[afgrijselijkheid]

i can certainly understand why some would favor aguirre (who i think is fantastic) or lapuente, but i dont really see a dilemna, ill go with BA (who also won a few NCAA titles)

i mean you wanna talk about small and troubled sides... how about the US when he took over? we were an organizational mess and.... uh... sucked

and thats all i have to say about that

[LMvCP]

Originally posted by Various Styles
This thread is about who is the best coach not who has the edge. Manolos achievements speak for themselves. I would rank Bruce Arena right behind him followed by el Vasco Aguirre. However i also feel that Aguirre has the potential to be the best coach of the above mentioned. He is afterall the youngest of the three as far as coaching goes.

So i guess this is an all time CONCACAF thread then...

well if that is the case....

It would have to be

1. Manuel Lapuente (active)
2. Ignacio Trelles (inactive)
3. Velibor "Bora" Milutinovic (NA)
4. Raul Cardenas (inactive)
5. Javier de la Torre (inactive)


Manuel Lapuente. I shouldnt have to say anymoreabout him

Nacho Trelles. The most league titles in Mexican soccer. Deserves to be there for what he did in Mexican soccer as well as at the international level. Nacho did help give Mexico that fighting spirit. He was not the best tactitian, but did motivate his players very well. His teams in the WC lost some close games.

Bora Milutinovic. We all know Bora is as Mexican as they get :D HE has said many times that he bleeds the blue and gold colors (PUMAS). Bora did okay for himself at the club Level with PUMAS, but is known alot more for his national head coaching tactics. 5 WCs

Raul Cardenas. Winning with America and 5 times with Cruz Azul is not an easy thing. You are under constant criticism.

Javier de la Torre. Winning 5 times with Chivas is not an easy thing either.


Honorable mentions. Javier Aguirre, Bruce Arena, Alexander Guimares (Brazilian naturalized Costa Rican) Herrera (Honduran coach in 82 WC)

[LMvCP]

Originally posted by bluedaddy19
i can certainly understand why some would favor aguirre (who i think is fantastic) or lapuente, but i dont really see a dilemna, ill go with BA (who also won a few NCAA titles)

Winning an NCAA title is nice, but does not hold as much as to winning an international title.

i mean you wanna talk about small and troubled sides... how about the US when he took over? we were an organizational mess and.... uh... sucked

and thats all i have to say about that

Bruca Arena is probabaly the best US coach (statistically speaking), but still does not rank in the top 5. That would be doing an injustice to the many good coaches Mexico has had and the central American coaches as well.

Bruce Arena has the luxury of not being criticized. What he does or does not do is not front page news. Sure, the soccer community knows about it, but you dont have all all the media attention. Bobby Knight being a collge coach qould get recognized anywhere. cant say that about Bruce. And dont say Jim ROme either because its not like he is on Bruce Arena... just soccer in general and its rare when he talks about soccer.

Bruce Arena did give you results, but most international fans give that credit to Steve Sampson. He does not get the credit he deserves but he put a system in there that needed more time. Arena has had the time and more support from MLS. Sampson was in a damn if you do, damn if you dont situation. IF he called in mostly MLS players and failed... they would have said he should have used the Euro players. If his Euro players failed, they would have said that he forgot about the MLS..

Sampson was using a 3 man backline...using that even before some coaches in Mexico and in SOuth America who were still using 4 or 5. Sampson played exciting soccer and did not rely on counterattacking. Sitting back and waiting...

SUre, Arena has won some NCAA titles, MLS titles, a Gold Cup, and did well in the WC... but ou have to say that there was some a lot of luck along the way...

Would you think that of Arena if lets say the refs didnt play favortims to Korea against Portugal? Even Landon Donovan on Republica Deportiva said they were very lucky to advance

I think the USSF shouldnt have forgotten about Sampson. Its Costa Rica's gain and US' loss. He played very exciting soccer. Germany and yugoslavia did not dominate them. They played toe to toe with them. They were a fun team to watch in Copa America.

[lond2345]

is this about the best concacaf coach active at the moment, or of all time?

if so dont mention bora because he is not coaching in cocacaf.

1. Manuel Lapuente: as much as i hate the way america plays, he always seems to get the upper hand.

[LMvCP]

Originally posted by lond2345
is this about the best concacaf coach active at the moment, or of all time?

Thats what I am still confused about :D

if so dont mention bora because he is not coaching in cocacaf.

I know, but like Lavolpe, Bora is a coach born and bred in CONCACAF. Bora has been a Mexican Citizen for many years now mid 70s. Starting coaching in MExico with his favorite team (PUMAS of UNAM)

1. Manuel Lapuente: as much as i hate the way america plays, he always seems to get the upper hand.

I think that Lapuente and Bora are the only ones who would make the top five in both the allltime and active category.

Arena is one of the top 5 active in CONCACAF... but no all time...

[afgrijselijkheid]

i took this as in right now

and if you mention as evidence how the US could have missed the knockout then youd also have to mention that we may just as easily gotten to the semis (or final for that matter) had the germany handball been called - in other words, im not gonna punish BA for something he DID accomplish

of course maybe im just a homer DOH!

[LMvCP]

Originally posted by bluedaddy19
i took this as in right now

sorry.... :D I took it as in all time...


I guess EvilRick will have to be more specific next time

[EvilRick]

Originally posted by rdl674
sorry.... :D I took it as in all time...


I guess EvilRick will have to be more specific next time

Silence!!!! I Shall now clarify this issue.
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Best Concacaf Coach af all Time.

[EvilRick]

Originally posted by bluedaddy19
had the germany handball been called DOH!

Had JOB's hand ball been called....

[ricostarica]

I'd have to say Bruce Arena. He was plagued by injuries to get to the WC but still made it (though not in the best fashion). He won the Gold Cup with an MLS team against an almost starting 11 Costa Rican national side. Then he took the USA farther than they had been in the biggest football competition ever.
Second I'd go with Aguirre because what he had to do with Mexico was almost impossible, but achieved the ticket to Japan and Korea. He is a very good coach, but I'm not sure whether he's doing too good in Spain. I know his team beat Real Madrid and all, but he has lost a lot of games against lesser teams if I remember. Correct me if I'm wrong though cause I don't keep track of him
Third would be Guimaraes since he took a very bad Costa Rican team and got them to qualify to the WC which is a very big deal to the Costa Rican people
I would not put Steve Sampson up, I feel he is doing a horrible job and does not have the right tactics to work with a midfield. From what I have seen with the UNCAF cup he is doing very badly and I regret the absence of Guima

[Rafael Hernandez]

Best coach of all time would have to be Bora. He took 4 teams to the WC 2nd round and has coached 5 teams and all of them different. No coach has done something similiar. Parreira has done something like that and besides winning it with Brazil, he failed with the rest. Also he got the best performance in a WC from a Concacaf team in recent years (6th in 86) and two other Concacaf teams thru the next round.

[La Brujita]

If it is the best coach of all time I have to agree that it would be Bora. I think the proof is that three Concacaf sides chose him at the World Cup. I am 99.9% sure he is the only coach leading three Concacaf sides at the WC.