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m vann
21 Apr 2006, 10:26 AM
http://www.yanks-abroad.com/content.php?mode=news&id=001780

As feared, Jonathan's shoulder injury kills any chance of him going to the WC this summer. Surgery is expected soon and a time table for his return is uo in the aire. A real shame. I was looking forward to seeing him on the pitch this summer.

eric515
21 Apr 2006, 10:32 AM
http://www.yanks-abroad.com/content.php?mode=news&id=001780

As feared, Jonathan's shoulder injury kills any chance of him going to the WC this summer. Surgery is expected soon and a time table for his return is uo in the aire. A real shame. I was looking forward to seeing him on the pitch this summer.

I see you were on YA.com at the same time I was! :)

This really sucks. I think he would have been a great guy to have on the bench for Germany.

Assuming he was going to make the roster, who does this open the door for? Albright? Pearce? Or will Bruce just stick with Frankie now that a bright young prospect is off the table?

Personally, I'd like to see Albright. His pace and size combination is something we need to have available. Although, without Spector's versatility (and ability to play on the left), this could set up Pearce for a roster spot.

bungadiri
21 Apr 2006, 10:33 AM
Thanks for the information. I'm disappointed, because I thought he was demonstrating himself as the best of the defenders on the fringe of the WC squad. Here's wishing him a speedy recovery and a long career.

BED-STYPUNDIT
21 Apr 2006, 10:35 AM
I see you were on YA.com at the same time I was! :)

This really sucks. I think he would have been a great guy to have on the bench for Germany.

Assuming he was going to make the roster, who does this open the door for? Albright? Pearce? Or will Bruce just stick with Frankie now that a bright young prospect is off the table?

Personally, I'd like to see Albright. His pace and size combination is something we need to have available. Although, without Spector's versatility (and ability to play on the left), this could set up Pearce for a roster spot.

Tough news indeed, he was a quality performer for Charlton this year (and Man U at some times), and sucks for FIFA, because both of their "Best Young Player" reps for US (the other being Freddy "I'm not a kitten killer, but a JoJo lover" Adu) that they listed are not going to the World Cup.

eric515
21 Apr 2006, 10:42 AM
Tough news indeed, he was a quality performer for Charlton this year (and Man U at some times), and sucks for FIFA, because both of their "Best Young Player" reps for US (the other being Freddy "I'm not a kitten killer, but a JoJo lover" Adu) that they listed are not going to the World Cup.

Could any lock or fringe player available still have a shot at that? What are the rules? 21 and under? If that's the case, then it looks like Pearce would be our only shot (provided, he makes it). Convey's 23 and EJ is 22.

keller4president
21 Apr 2006, 10:53 AM
Basically, the eigth defender spot is going to come down to a 4 way battle, IMHO.

Berhalter - The veteran captain of Energie Cottbus has WC experience, and knowledge of the German landscape. I think he's the frontrunner for the last spot.

Albright - More in a battle with Hejduk than anyone else, but Frankie goes for his experience and fiery personality.

Dunivant - Could be a good left-back backup to Lewis and got a bunch of looks from Arena earlier in the year. Still, he's on the outside looking in.

Conrad - Was in a battle for back-up central defender, but Berhalter is better than him. Could jump back in the mix if Bocanegra's injury keeps him out much longer.

And there's always the possibility that Arena only takes 7 defenders anyway, opting to bring an extra midfielder instead.

eric515
21 Apr 2006, 11:15 AM
You don't think Pearce has a chance at all? It seems if a recovering Dunivant does, then Pearce would as well...

Martin Fischer
21 Apr 2006, 11:24 AM
You don't think Pearce has a chance at all? It seems if a recovering Dunivant does, then Pearce would as well...

Arena flat-out stated that Dunivant was ahead of Pearce. Pearce ain't going.

ty webb
21 Apr 2006, 11:29 AM
I don't think it really matters who gets brought to sit on the bench. If Beerholder, Conrad, or Albright touch the field we will be in big trouble.

These guys can't hang against a Jamaica B team.

cdin
21 Apr 2006, 11:53 AM
Basically, the eigth defender spot is going to come down to a 4 way battle, IMHO.

Berhalter - The veteran captain of Energie Cottbus has WC experience, and knowledge of the German landscape. I think he's the frontrunner for the last spot.

Albright - More in a battle with Hejduk than anyone else, but Frankie goes for his experience and fiery personality.

Dunivant - Could be a good left-back backup to Lewis and got a bunch of looks from Arena earlier in the year. Still, he's on the outside looking in.

Conrad - Was in a battle for back-up central defender, but Berhalter is better than him. Could jump back in the mix if Bocanegra's injury keeps him out much longer.

And there's always the possibility that Arena only takes 7 defenders anyway, opting to bring an extra midfielder instead.
The battle is between Berhalter and Albright, and it's a tactical decision. Berhalter has the benifit of experiance and besides pope, no one else in the defense has that. Albright provides cover at right back and is better on set peices. He could also play right mid or forword in a pinch much like Tony Sanneh did in 2002.

Personally, I would choose Albright, because with Berhalter we would have 5 CB, 6 if you include Pablo. At right back we have Dolo, Hejduk, and maybe Reyna in a real pinch.

cdin
21 Apr 2006, 12:00 PM
I don't think it really matters who gets brought to sit on the bench. If Beerholder, Conrad, or Albright touch the field we will be in big trouble.

These guys can't hang against a Jamaica B team.
In 2002, the US used 19 of the 23 players on the roster. The ones that didn't play were Keller, Meola, Cherundolo, & Regis. Keller and Meola obviously didn't make it because they are goal keepers. Cherundolo did play because he got injured right before camp. Regis didn't play because Arena lost faith in him after the deadline passed.

Don't be suprised if almost all of the players are used.

kinstlinger
21 Apr 2006, 12:01 PM
I'm also disappointed, but I suppose if there was a guy who was going to get injured, I'd rather have it be him than many other guys.

FirstStar
21 Apr 2006, 12:43 PM
In 2002, the US used 19 of the 23 players on the roster. The ones that didn't play were Keller, Meola, Cherundolo, & Regis. Keller and Meola obviously didn't make it because they are goal keepers. Cherundolo did play because he got injured right before camp. Regis didn't play because Arena lost faith in him after the deadline passed.

Don't be suprised if almost all of the players are used.

You should add Llomsa to your list-- he only played 12 minutes of garbage time against Mexico.

eric515
21 Apr 2006, 12:51 PM
Arena flat-out stated that Dunivant was ahead of Pearce. Pearce ain't going.

Didn't see that.

I guess the "wouldn't take them because they've been recently injured" argument can't really come into play here, when you look at a few of the remaining choices:

Dunivant
Albright
Conrad

All have had injuries force them to the sidelines over the last 6 months, although all are now recovered. Then, you throw in the fact that Boca, McBride, Reyna, Gibbs, O'Brien, and EJ have all had their issues over the last year.

That may actually give an edge to Berhalter, who has been relatively injury free, IIRC.

Elninho
21 Apr 2006, 12:53 PM
Llamosa played substitute minutes against both Portugal and Mexico, when we were trying to protect leads.

It's worth noting that, because of injuries and yellow card accumulation, had we actually beaten Germany (not unrealistic, given the handball!) we would have had to start Regis in the semifinal. Yes, over the course of a tournament you can realistically end up having to use all of your field players.

Eleven Bravo
21 Apr 2006, 12:55 PM
please, God let it be Dunivant. If it was me, it would have only been between Dunivant and Spector anyways. Albright is good on corners, but he sucks defensively, Berhalter=Agoos, and Pearce just isn't ready for the international stage now.

Ringo
21 Apr 2006, 12:58 PM
and here I thought it was going to be because he hadn't shown any reason why he deserved to be there.

cdin
21 Apr 2006, 02:05 PM
please, God let it be Dunivant. If it was me, it would have only been between Dunivant and Spector anyways. Albright is good on corners, but he sucks defensively, Berhalter=Agoos, and Pearce just isn't ready for the international stage now.
I seriously doubt Dunivant is going. It's not that I think Albright is better, it's just a matter of coverage. Dunivant is primairly a left back. At left back we have Lewis, Gibbs, Boca, Hejduk, and in a pinch could use Convey and O'brian. At right back we have Dolo and Hejduk. Maybe a few of of the midfielders could fill in but I don't think any of them have experiance at RB.

Would you really want to pick a guy that would fill a spot that could be filled by 6 other players or would you pick a guy that could fill a spot that could only be filled by 2 players. Plus, albright has midfield experiance and could provide cover on the right wing.

Adam Zebrowski
21 Apr 2006, 03:18 PM
i agree, dunivant is not going...

lewis...

big left backs in gibbs and bocanegra...

even hejduk on the left...

albright can fill the big outside back role when he'd be matching up with a physical guy, not a speedy one....

albright has specific roles he'd fill, not a starter though

Davids26
21 Apr 2006, 04:03 PM
Llamosa played substitute minutes against both Portugal and Mexico, when we were trying to protect leads.

It's worth noting that, because of injuries and yellow card accumulation, had we actually beaten Germany (not unrealistic, given the handball!) we would have had to start Regis in the semifinal. Yes, over the course of a tournament you can realistically end up having to use all of your field players.

As much as I'd have loved for us to get to the semi-finals, I dread thinking about what our middle defensive triangle would have looked like against Germany. Pope, Berhalter, and Mastroeni all would have been suspended. Agoos and Dolo were injured.

Reyna or O'Brien would have played D-Mid and out backline would have probably looked like this:

Hejduk-Regis-Llamosa-Sanneh.

Yikes! Regis in the middle! He didn't even know English.

or if Arena just really didn't want to play Regis, he could have put JOB or Eddie Lewis in as the left back and made it look something like this:

JOB/Lewis-Llamosa-Sanneh-Hejduk

Back on topic as to who's going, I agree Albrights chances just got really good... IMO it really is down to Berhalter vs. Albright at this point.

Berhalter has the experience thing going for him -- and despite some bad performances in the past, Bruce has always stuck by him. However I believe Pope and Hejduk bring the experience to this backline as well so I just have to wonder how much Arena cares about bringing GB. Slow as rocks and tugs shirts more than any US player I've seen (could easily get carded for that in the WC.

Albright is athletic and versatile. Questionable defending, but with only 3 sure wing backs, he's got a decent chance. Albright had a great 2005 campaign for club and country and has long been considered another one of Bruce's boys from his UVa and DCU ties.

Both have plusses and minuses, I think its important to understand that the 8th defender probably will see about as much time as Llamosa did in '02 -- if that.