Give Hamas a chance! They will change!

[odessit19]

:confused: This is what happens when you let terrorists run a country...

http://www.worldtribune.com/worldtribune/06/front2453844.929861111.html

GAZA CITY ≈ The Palestinian Authority has encouraged security officers to turn their wrath on Israel.

Palestinian sources said Prime Minister Ismail Haniyeh and Interior Minister Said Siyyam have met disgruntled PA officers and urged them to join the insurgency war against Israel. The meetings came amid threats against the PA by police and security officers who did not receive their salaries for March.

[Matt in the Hat]

Yeah! Democracy Sucks!

[odessit19]

Yeah! Democracy Sucks!

In this case, YEAH! They can only understand 2 things - theocracy or dictatorship.

[ViscaBarca]

The meetings came amid threats against the PA by police and security officers who did not receive their salaries for March.
and how exactly does withholding money for the PA help the whole situation?

[Dave Brull]

and how exactly does withholding money for the PA help the whole situation?

And how does funding terrorism help, albeit as Matt continually points out, democratically elected terrorists.

[odessit19]

and how exactly does withholding money for the PA help the whole situation?

So that the money does not go to support a terrorist organization who will use it to create more attacks.

[ViscaBarca]

So that the money does not go to support a terrorist organization who will use it to create more attacks.
i understand perfectly well how tricky that all is. but you are just assuming that everybody relying on that money is a terrorist, which of course is complete bullocks. the problem is that by withholding the money to these people you are encouraging support for the terrorists from people who normaly wouldn't support them. hamas got something like 50-60% of the vote, by screwing the rest you are just going to push that number up.

[Dave Brull]

Fine, give the money to Palestine in the form of medicine ,construction equipment, anything that would benefit the general population without giving Hamas a cent.

I will now return to my pipedream already in progess.

[odessit19]

i understand perfectly well how tricky that all is. but you are just assuming that everybody relying on that money is a terrorist, which of course is complete bullocks. the problem is that by withholding the money to these people you are encouraging support for the terrorists from people who normaly wouldn't support them. hamas got something like 50-60% of the vote, by screwing the rest you are just going to push that number up.

That's a dandy idea, but how are you going to monitor where that money is going. I am sick and tired of people asking Israel and the rest of the world to give Hamas a chance to change. It's bullshit, Hamas doesn't want peace, just look at this nonsense:

Hamas names notorious terror operative, Jemal Abu Sema Dana, to high office with responsibility for Palestinian security services

April 20, 2006, 11:16 PM (GMT+02:00)

Palestinian interior minister Said Siam announced Thursday that he had selected as director-general of his ministry the founder of the Palestinian Resistance Committees, manager of the Palestinian arms smuggling tunnels and Middle East gunrunner.

DEBKAfile adds: Sema Dana tops the list of wanted terrorists for engineering the murder of three American security contractors in the Gaza Strip three years ago, a long line terrorist attacks that claimed Israeli lives and more recently running the Qassam missile offensive

[Amerikaki]

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to odessit19 again.


Anybody who believes Hamas is anything but an ISLAMIC terrorist group must be purposely blinding themselves from the truth.

1. Hamas calls for the destruction of Israel. Check
2. Hamas calls for an Islamic state in place of Israel and the Palestinian territories who's law is based on a fundamentalist interpretation of Islam. check
3. Hamas has praised the first suicide bombing since they took power. Check
4. Hamas refuses to recognize Israel's right to exist. Check
5. If you're reading #5 and have not yet understood that Hamas is an Islamic terrorist group no different then Al Qaeda or Hezbollah or Islamic Jihad then you should check yourself into a psychologists office immediately.

[CrewDust]

Palistine may go to civil war before Iraq will. By the numbers it looks like Hamas needs to pay out about $110 million and is only bringing in $30 million, they can not last long at that loss.

[BenReilly]

Yeah! Democracy Sucks!

Hitler got elected...

[Matt in the Hat]

Hitler got elected...
And Hamas has not dissolved the parliament.

[odessit19]

And Hamas has not dissolved the parliament.

But they do support violence against Israel and praise suicide bombings and encourage PA security forces attacking Israelis, but otherwise, great organization...

[Matt in the Hat]

But they do support violence against Israel and praise suicide bombings and encourage PA security forces attacking Israelis, but otherwise, great organization...

You make it sould like I support these guys.

[The Gribbler]

5. If you're reading #5 and have not yet understood that Hamas is an Islamic terrorist group no different then Al Qaeda or Hezbollah or Islamic Jihad then you should check yourself into a psychologists office immediately.

6. Hamas has also been the lifeline of many displaced Palestinians in refugee camps. check

[odessit19]

6. Hamas has also been the lifeline of many displaced Palestinians in refugee camps. check

Well, hell, let's give them billions of dollars then and maybe they will play nice :rolleyes:

[nicephoras]

You make it sould like I support these guys.

First Matt Burlew now this?

[Amerikaki]

6. Hamas has also been the lifeline of many displaced Palestinians in refugee camps. check


They provide community services, they are far from a "lifeline". They're money goes towards terrorism.

They do fund some great websites for children though...look at the little cartoons blowing themselves up and going to heaven...how nice....



http://www.al-fateh.net/

[ViscaBarca]

That's a dandy idea, but how are you going to monitor where that money is going. I am sick and tired of people asking Israel and the rest of the world to give Hamas a chance to change. It's bullshit, Hamas doesn't want peace, just look at this nonsense:

listen, i hate hamas as much as you do. i know they won't change, i never said they will, certainly not as long as the situation is as it is now. but one thing i can absolutely guarantee you, things will only get worst with the adapted tactic of just not talking to hamas. history has proven over and over again that chances for peace are much higher when you get over your pride and start talking to even your worst enemy, regardless of what they've done before. it's of course a very painful process, but the one with most chances of success. and frankly, i have a bit of a feeling that israel is only using the 'they don't recognize israel' line as an excuse to break up any negotiations. as far as i know the palestinians never ever really recognized israel, that didn't stop negotians before. and as for the violence, how exactly do you think the US or Israel, as an example, would react if someone would come along and tell them, listen, we'll talk to you, but only if you exclude any possibily of any military action. they'd just laugh at you! and hamas are now also an elected government, it's just that they are a bit more open about their goals, instead of camouflagig it as 'spreading democracy'.