German U17/U19/U20/U21 Discussion Thread [R]

[Borussia]

A bit harsh. I think you missed this part of the interview:

"My parents visit a few times a year. We have a lot of relatives still in Iran."

How is that politics?

With politics I mean the fact that Iranian players get exploited by their government for political reasons.


Btw: Do you really think the Iranian government would dare to punish Dejagah's relatives in Iran when the whole world knows about this case? I doubt that...

Nevertheless I can also understand his concerns to piss off the Iranian clerics if he playes against their "archenemy". But my question is: What happens if he becomes a regular A team player and we get to play Israel in the next World Cup tournament? Would you then accept his refusal as well...?

[Cris 09]

With politics I mean the fact that Iranian players get exploited by their government for political reasons.


Btw: Do you really think the Iranian government would dare to punish Dejagah's relatives in Iran when the whole world knows about this case? I doubt that...

Nevertheless I can also understand his concerns to piss off the Iranian clerics if he playes against their "archenemy". But my question is: What happens if he becomes a regular A team player and we get to play Israel in the next World Cup tournament? Would you then accept his refusal as well...?

I think the point is; Avoid conflict if possible. During a WC, that might not be possible...then again, neither is Israel qualifying...:eek:

[Borussia]

I think the point is; Avoid conflict if possible.


But not at the expense of the national team...



then again, neither is Israel qualifying...:eek:

Don't be too sure...

[Dead Fingers]

A bit harsh. I think you missed this part of the interview:

"My parents visit a few times a year. We have a lot of relatives still in Iran."

How is that politics?

How is that NOT politics? He is making a decision based on the political realities of Iran. Am I missing something?

{snip}
Only personal. I explained my reasons to Dieter Eilts, my coach of the U21 NT. I have both the German and an Iranian passpoort. The Iranian government doesn‘t recognise Israel and doesn‘t allow it‘s citizens to travel there. Iranians who do do have to fear to go to prison.
I haven‘t been to Iran for 5,6 years but my parents visit a few times a year. We have a lot of relatives still in Iran. All this was not about me, I did it for my family. That‘s all I want to say about it.

[arthur d]

How is that NOT politics? He is making a decision based on the political realities of Iran. Am I missing something?

{snip}
Only personal. I explained my reasons to Dieter Eilts, my coach of the U21 NT. I have both the German and an Iranian passpoort. The Iranian government doesn‘t recognise Israel and doesn‘t allow it‘s citizens to travel there. Iranians who do do have to fear to go to prison.
I haven‘t been to Iran for 5,6 years but my parents visit a few times a year. We have a lot of relatives still in Iran. All this was not about me, I did it for my family. That‘s all I want to say about it.



Well based on this, everything is politics, which makes the debate rather meaningless. What I meant is that he claims to do it for personal reasons (protection of his family) rather than his own political opinion about the rights of the state Israel. And I wouldn't trust the regime in Iran enough to be sure his family are not endangered.

BTW, as for keeping football politics free, that notion already went out of the window when Israel joined UEFA. Unfortunately, we have to live with the constraints that are caused by the conflict in the middle east, whether we like it or not.

[Dead Fingers]

Well based on this, everything is politics, which makes the debate rather meaningless. What I meant is that he claims to do it for personal reasons (protection of his family) rather than his own political opinion about the rights of the state Israel. And I wouldn't trust the regime in Iran enough to be sure his family are not endangered.

hmm, I don't know if I agree with that. His "personal reasons" are strictly based on the political reality of Iran not recognizing Israel and whatever "fall-out" that might happen to his family. This doesn't happen if Germany is playing another team. I also don't begrudge him for bowing out as we don't know what would happen to his family.

[Alex_K]

Well based on this, everything is politics, which makes the debate rather meaningless.

„Denn keine Begebenheit der Welt ist, so zu sagen, insularisch. Alles hängt an einander, veranlaßt einander, wird veranlaßt, wird gezeugt, und veranlaßt und zeugt wieder. Die Begebenheiten der Vornehmen und der Geringen, der einzelnen Menschen und aller, des Privatlebens und der grossen Welt, ja selbst der unvernünftigen und leblosen Geschöpfe und der Menschen, alle sind ineinander verschlungen und verbunden."

I was just looking for an excuse to quote Johann Christoph Gatterer... :(

[Borussia]

Important home game against Moldova in Pirmasens tonight.

http://www.dfb.de/index.php?id=500016&tx_dfbnews_pi1[showUid]=12396

[IlTedesco]

The German U21 went into the half time break with a 1:0 lead. The goal was scored by Mesut Özil.

:)

[episkeptis]

FT 3-0
Goals by Ozil (twice) and Hennings. Hennings lost a couple of really good chances before scoring the 3rd in the dying minutes. The 2nd half was a German monologue, as Moldova seemed unable to produce anything threatening. Oh, and Marin (he substituted Ozil) had a good header (!) just wide.

[Leinad]

Marin also gave the good assist for the 3:0. Anyways Eilts showed once again that he is a clueless chicken. I dont understand why we play a 4-5-1 with 2 DM's against a defensive minded team.

[IlTedesco]

Marin also gave the good assist for the 3:0. Anyways Eilts showed once again that he is a clueless chicken. I dont understand why we play a 4-5-1 with 2 DM's against a defensive minded team.

True. Even worse since Rosenthal is anything but a DM.

:rolleyes:

At least the overall performance was much better than against Israel. Especially Grothe was very strong while Özil proved his finishing skills. Rosenthal and Kruska on the other hand were almost completely invisible save for some passes and shots in the second half, while the two central defenders Schönheim and Schwaab unnecessarily allowed two or three big chances in the first. Apart from that it was a solid team effort by all.

PS: And seeing Marin play is a pleasure for the eyes!

:D

[Cris 09]

PS: And seeing Marin play is a pleasure for the eyes!

:D

Why didn't he play the full 90 minutes??

[IlTedesco]

Why didn't he play the full 90 minutes??

I guess he's the David Odonkor of the U21 and therefore too valuable as a joker. Or maybe they just wanna build him up slowly which would make sense to me, too. I mean look at him. The kid's barely out of his diapers...

;):D

[Borussia]

Marin also gave the good assist for the 3:0. Anyways Eilts showed once again that he is a clueless chicken. I dont understand why we play a 4-5-1 with 2 DM's against a defensive minded team.

Really weird, indeed (I wonder why he nominated the Fürth striker Bernd Nehrig once again for nothing). But ok, as long as we win the game, I don't complain.

Congrats to the team on the 3:0 win! Özil was "man of the match".

http://www.kicker.de/home/spielpaarungsbericht/object/794268
http://www.dfb.de/index.php?id=500014&tx_dfbnews_pi1[showUid]=12453


Why didn't he play the full 90 minutes??

Because he had to be rested for the DERBY on Monday! :-)

["Eisenfuß" Eilts]

Well based on this, everything is politics, which makes the debate rather meaningless. What I meant is that he claims to do it for personal reasons (protection of his family) rather than his own political opinion about the rights of the state Israel. And I wouldn't trust the regime in Iran enough to be sure his family are not endangered.

DFB judge the case the same way.
Today Dejagah was in a hearing at the DFB president
and they stated, that is were personal reasons.
DFB Zwanziger after the 60 minutes hearing:
"He clearly pointed out, that because of his Iranian heritage
he worried about the security of his family members in Iran ...
there were no racistic or anti-Semitic reasons behind it."

Dejagah: "If i had ever said anything, that could have been interpreted
in a wrong way, then i have to say sorry for it. Any kinds of disriminations
are strange for me. I want to continue playing for Germany."

So, he is allowed to continue his career for Germany,
but the DFB president also pointed out, that Dejagah has to take part
at the returning leg next year, if he gets nominated.

[Borussia]

Here the links:

http://www.kicker.de/news/fussball/nationalelf/startseite/artikel/370946/

http://www.dfb.de/index.php?id=500014&tx_dfbnews_pi1[showUid]=12483


Quote:

Dr. Theo Zwanziger begründete die Entscheidung wie folgt: "Ashkan Dejagah hat uns gegenüber glaubhaft versichert, dass es ihm aufgrund seiner iranischen Herkunft ausschließlich um das Wohl seiner Familie und Angehörigen ging. Er hat klar betont, dass seine Bitte an Trainer Dieter Eilts, für das Spiel in Israel nicht nominiert zu werden, keine rassistischen oder antisemitischen Hintergründe hatte."


"Es ist selbstverständlich, dass Ashkan Dejagah für das Rückspiel der U 21-Nationalmannschaft gegen Israel im Falle der Nominierung zur Verfügung stehen wird."


So let's forget this story now and hope that we won't have to discuss anymore political things in this thread in the future.

[Cris 09]

I guess he's the David Odonkor of the U21 and therefore too valuable as a joker. Or maybe they just wanna build him up slowly which would make sense to me, too. I mean look at him. The kid's barely out of his diapers...

;):D

That's right, I forgot he just got promoted to the U21 team from the U18 squad.

[The Old Lady Hertha]

Sascha Bigalke scored the 3:2 winner for Hertha U19s as they go into the Viertelfinal (Quaterfinal) of the DfB U-19 Pokal.

[Equilibrium]

Marin needs to be a bit more effective which he will learn to do so since he's so young. He's already incredible, a dribbling beauty and reminds of Messi, short, quick sneaky mofo! :p If he develops well, he's going to be one hell of a player, truly amazing! He's the 3rd or 4th best player on the U-21 team at the moment, and in a few months, could be the best. Definitely would like to see him at Euro 08, he has much better crosses and better vision than Odonkor as well as being a better dribbler, but is not experienced much. Man, I love Germany's youth, we have so many with such great potential, it's ridiculous! :cool: