German U17/U19/U20/U21 Discussion Thread [R]

[F96]

Neuer (Schalke) - Beck (Stuttgart), J.Boateng, (HSV), Schönheim (Lautern), Grote (Bochum) - Kruska (Dortmund), Polanski (M'gladbach) - Ebert (Hertha), Özil (Schalke), Rosenthal (Hannover) - Hennings (Osnabrück)

If only it was.
What a weird line-up Eilts fielded:

Neuer - Beck, Polanski ?, Schönheim, Aogo - Kruska, Rosenthal - Özbek, Khedira, Ebert - Hennings

46. Özil für Rosenthal
63. J. Boateng für Özil (why? Why didn't he start as a CB? Why not bring Marin?)
90. Grote für Ebert

Game ended 2:2 on two Hennings goals who seems to put everything in for the U21.

[Leinad]

Özil and Marin benched, two of our best players, Eilts is a genius...

Its just redicilous, he needs to be sacked but i know it wont happen. :|

["Eisenfuß" Eilts]

Özil and Marin benched, two of our best players, Eilts is a genius...

Its just redicilous, he needs to be sacked but i know it wont happen. :|

You saw, how Marin played last weekend? -
It´s not easy to get mark 5 (F) in kicker,
when your team wins 5-0.

[Borussia]

First of all I have to mention that I didn't watch the game. However, when I see that Polanski had to play the CB, Aogo the LB and Rosenthal the central defensive position, I am very amused! This sort of bad tactics costed us the Olympia quali against England last year! :rolleyes:

I respect Dieter Eilts as a fair manager and great personality; but to be honest, I simply don't understand his weird tactics some times!

It's surely no shame to play 2:2 in Israel. BUT: This statement from Dieter Eilts sounds pretty ridiculous (after the post-match comments & reports I've just been reading in the press):

Quote:

"Ich bin mit der Einstellung und der Leistung sehr, sehr zufrieden."


Here's a match report with statistics:

http://www.kicker.de/home/spielpaarungsbericht/object/794271/

[Leinad]

You saw, how Marin played last weekend? -
It´s not easy to get mark 5 (F) in kicker,
when your team wins 5-0.

ya and as soon as someone plays one bad game he cant be a good footballer. :rolleyes:
Also its actualy pretty easy to get a 5 by the kicker and Marin was subbed at half time (due to tactical reasons). He was ofc bad that day but it was not like Gladbach was playing good football in the 1st half.
Also its funny that u mention one bad game as reason not to use Marin while Polanski who is a bench player all this season for Glabdach so far plays every single game for the u21 from the beginning to the end.
Then there are also Khedira, Rosenthal and Kruska who started in the midfield which have all been crap for their clubs in the last weeks.
But seeing your nick name your comment shouldnt surprise me.
Sry but a team like germany simply shouldnt play with such a defensive minded formation if u have players like Özil or Marin on the bench.
I really have to ask myself why Özil and Marin only get subbed in after we saw 45-60 minutes of crap play.
Everytime those two play our game gets a lot better and still Eilts continues to start players like Rosenthal who never showed a single good game for the u21 (i like Rosenthal but his u21 performances have been very bad).

[Borussia]

Everytime those two play our game gets a lot better and still Eilts continues to start players like Rosenthal who never showed a single good game for the u21 (i like Rosenthal but his u21 performances have been very bad).

I have no problem with Jan Rosenthal (he has often proved his quality in BL), but I have a problem with the position he had to play today (the same with Polanski)! Polanski is no CB and Rosenthal no defensive midfielder in my eyes...

[Borussia]

Btw: Take a look at this quotation from "Spiegel".

"Bei sommerlichen Temperaturen um 30 Grad Celsius präsentierte sich die Auswahl des DFB in einem desolaten Zustand. Bis auf das Tor von Hennings, der für Dejagah in der Anfangsformation stand, hatte die Eilts-Elf im ersten Durchgang keine Chance zu verzeichnen."

(http://www.spiegel.de/sport/fussball/0,1518,511191,00.html)

I think that says all about the performance...

[IlTedesco]

Yeah, but some of what they're writing is pure nonsense. E.g. Hennings didn't replace Dejagah! Since he's the only real forward we have he would have played anyway...

:rolleyes:

["Eisenfuß" Eilts]

ya and as soon as someone plays one bad game he cant be a good footballer. :rolleyes:


Where did i say, that he´s a bad footballer?

[Borussia]

Here's all 4 goals:

http://www.dfb.de/index.php?id=503823

[F96]

Ashkan Dejagah did an interview for the big German Stern magazine:
http://www.stern.de/sport-motor/fussball/:Interview-Ashkan-Dejagah-Das/600121.html

The translation is not the best but acceptable. Feel free to post it where you want.

Dieter Graumann, vice president of the Central council of Jews in Germany claimed you were doing a „personal boycott of jews“. Were you surprised about all the attention your decision got?

Yes, of course. I would have never imagined this. I regret these misunderstandings very much. I‘m very sorry if some people took my absence wrong. These accusations made me very very sad. I don‘t have reservations against anyone. I‘m not rascist.

People implied you had political motives.
That‘s nonsense.

So what were the reasons?
Only personal. I explained my reasons to Dieter Eilts, my coach of the U21 NT. I have both the German and an Iranian passpoort. The Iranian government doesn‘t recognise Israel and doesn‘t allow it‘s citizens to travel there. Iranians who do do have to fear to go to prison.
I haven‘t been to Iran for 5,6 years but my parents visit a few times a year. We have a lot of relatives still in Iran. All this was not about me, I did it for my family. That‘s all I want to say about it.

Did your family put pressure on you?

No. Of course I talked about it with my parents and my brother but in the end it was me who didn‘t want to risk anything. That‘s why I called Dieter Eilts.

What did he say?
Eilts was understanding of my reasons. A few days later he called me and said he would respect my decision and not nominate me for the game in Israel but that I might get a call up for the next game against Moldova.

Are you a political person? Do you follow the political situation in Iran?
I‘m not into politics at all. We‘re not very interested in it.

You did hear about the opinions of president Mahmud Ahmadinedschad, who denies that the Holocaust ever happenend and propagates the destruction of Israel though?

My attitude has nothing to do with this. I only concentrate about football. It‘s sad what is being insinuated.

The Iranian sports-magazine „Goal“ calls your position „heroic“ and „masterly“ (?). Don‘t you find that strange?
I can neither write nor read Persian, I can only speak it. I read about these articles in the German papers but that means nothing to me. What counts for me is only the well-being of my family.

You were born in Tehran and grew up in Berlin. Do you follow the Quran?
I‘m a Muslim and believe in Allah but I‘m not that religious.


Do you pray 5 times a day?
No but I pray to Allah in Persian before every game. That‘s my ritual.

Ramadan is ending - have you been fasting?
No, that would be incompatible with my job. Other Muslim footballers like Frank Ribery don‘t do it either.,

You once said you had both Iranian and German blood in you. How did you mean that?
Your parents are both Iranian.
What I wanted to say with that is that I feel a connection to both countries and cultures. I have a tattoo that says Theran on the one arm and a Berlin-tattoo on the other arm.
My parents are from Iran, I grew up here and play for the German NT.

Why did you chose to play for the German NT? They say your father would prefer you playing for Iran.
That‘s not true. My father never demanded that I should play for Iran. My father was as proud as I was when I was invited to the German junior NT for the first time when I was 16. I like playing for Germany. The DFB also helped me get a German passport and by now my parents and my brother have one as well.
It‘s true though the Iranian NT invited me. I could have changed till my 21st birthday but I was never concerned with it.

Next week you‘ll meet with DFB boss Zwanziger - it looks like it could be an attitude-interrogation (don't really know how to correctly translate the German word `Gesinnung`). Do you think it‘s fair how you are being treated by the DFB?
I will tell Herr Zwanziger the same as I told you. I am what I am. Everyone who talks to me will realize that the one thing I really care about is my family. In a short personal profile I once wrote for the club-magazine of VfL Wolfsburg I said that I wished there would be peace in the whole world. That didn‘t change.

Herr Zwanziger will probably ask you how you'll decide for the next game against Israel. How did your parents react to the massive outrage?
They were as surprised as I was. They took out the telephone cable and waited for it to be over. My brother is astonished that some papers are writing that he lives in Tehran and plays for Paykan even though he‘s living in Berlin with my parents.

You are not the first Iranian Bundesliga player who didn‘t play in Israel. When Bayern played Maccabi Tel Aviv in 2004 Hashemian was injured suddenly. Would it not have been better to pretend an injury as well?
I don‘t know why Hashemian didn‘t play back then. If I had lied and the truth came out later it would have been even worse. I want to be honest to the people.

[Cris 09]

I don‘t know why Hashemian didn‘t play back then. If I had lied and the truth came out later it would have been even worse. I want to be honset to the people.

Good for him!!!

[Borussia]

Thanx for the translated interview, Viola.

I'm surprised to hear that his brother doesn't live and play football in Iran. Was this only a media invention?

[Dagegen]

I hope that ends all the shit.
I totally understand that he doesn't want to take any risk when it could hurt his family.

And I totally believe him when he says that he is not into politics and only wants to protect his family, he doesn't seem like a big politician or thinker anyway. :p

[Borussia]

I totally understand that he doesn't want to take any risk when it could hurt his family.


The main part of his family (parents, brother) doesn't live in Iran, though...

I can understand that it is no easy situation for Iranian athletes; but if you decide to play for Germany, you represent this country and have to play each game you get called up for! There should be no room for any politics in sport!

[arthur d]

The main part of his family (parents, brother) doesn't live in Iran, though...

I can understand that it is no easy situation for Iranian athletes; but if you decide to play for Germany, you represent this country and have to play each game you get called up for! There should be no room for any politics in sport!

A bit harsh. I think you missed this part of the interview:

"My parents visit a few times a year. We have a lot of relatives still in Iran."

How is that politics?

[Dagegen]

That's right, that's not politics!

The reason is his family and that is not a political reason.

I also think it doesn't matter where the main part of his family lives, if there is only one member of his family that could suffer backlashes due to Dejagah playing against Israel it's perfectly understandable that he has problems to play this game.

You really think that he should ignore the potential danger for his family and simply play because he represents germany and it is his duty?
I know that I wouldn't and I believe you would have a lot to think about as well.

I think that's a perfect example for the problem that people get punished for their honesty because of newspapers like the "BILD" and because of people who believe what's written by BILD and who have very high demands of football players who are still only young and more or less inexperienced humans.

Hashemian never got into any trouble because of his mystical injuries...:rolleyes:

[IlTedesco]

I'm surprised to hear that his brother doesn't live and play football in Iran. Was this only a media invention?

Where does it say that his brother doesn't live in Iran?

According to Transfermarkt he plays for a team located in Teheran:

http://www.transfermarkt.de/de/spieler/31571/dejagahardeshir/profil.html

[F96]

Where does it say that his brother doesn't live in Iran?

According to Transfermarkt he plays for a team located in Teheran:

http://www.transfermarkt.de/de/spieler/31571/dejagahardeshir/profil.html

In the interview I translated. ;)

My brother is astonished that some papers are writing that he lives in Tehran and plays for Paykan even though he‘s living in Berlin with my parents.

Maybe they all trusted Wikipedia.

[IlTedesco]

Sorry, that's what happens if you try to be smart after coming home from 10 hours of nightshift...

:rolleyes::D