German U17/U19/U20/U21 Discussion Thread [R]

[DefenseWinsCliche]

finally got the chance to see a game. Man, talk about a ass-kicking. We were better at every facet of the game. Toni indeed looks great. His vision and passing skills at such an early age is uncanny.

[Little fairy]

Germany just too good

Four well-worked goals from Sebastian Rudy, Richard Sukuta-Pasu, Dennis Dowidat and Toni Kroos in the second half helped Germany to a 4-1 victory over England in Goyang.

Like many great German sides of the past, Heiko Herrlich's boys are organised and efficient, ensuring that sufficient players are behind the ball whenever their goal is threatened. In addition to this, the Germans possess excellent movement and understanding which helps to create a potent attacking force.

In Kroos, ably assisted by Sascha Bigalke and Dowidat, they have three supreme midfielders, who are more than capable of orchestrating play. Their outlet, striker Sukuta-Pasu is a constant goal threat, combining pace and power to devastating effect. Hitting form and confidence at just the right time, they were a joy to watch against John Peacock's side.

England, without talismanic centre forward Victor Moses, forced to sit on the sidelines with a thigh injury, struggled to cope with the fluidity or class of Germany's offensive manoeuvres. A cool finish from Rhys Murphy in the 65 th minute pulled the score back to 2-1, but after Dowidat's and Kroos' strikes, it proved to be little more than a consolation.

So now, like France, Peru and Argentina before them, England depart at the quarter-final stage. No more will the Korean fans shriek with delight whenever caps bearing the insignia of the Three Lions are thrown into the crowd.

What more can you say? :D

source (http://fifa.com/u17worldcup/news/newsid=587021.html#africa+europe+korean+crown)

[F96]

WFT does talismanic mean?

That England wins when he plays or scores?

[arthur d]

WFT does talismanic mean?

That England wins when he plays or scores?

Literally it means that the team is luckier when he plays, but usually it's used to mean inspirational, inspiring the team to victory. Beckenbauer is a good example for talismanic, and so is Klinsmann I guess.

Anyway, great result. Pity I never get to see these guys play. Sounds like the next hurdle will be a bit higher though.

[squidward123]

That's debatable.
Don't forget, he's playing against fellow 17 or 16 year-olds.

Yeah but his game (read : decision making and skills) is so obviously refined that he'd make the transition no problems.

[BayernFan_29]

Literally it means that the team is luckier when he plays, but usually it's used to mean inspirational, inspiring the team to victory. Beckenbauer is a good example for talismanic, and so is Klinsmann I guess.

Anyway, great result. Pity I never get to see these guys play. Sounds like the next hurdle will be a bit higher though.

everyone can see every game on the fifa.com site for free live :eek:

[F96]

everyone can see every game on the fifa.com site for free live :eek:

I think Arthur might be one of the very few unlucky ones that have to work in the morning.

[squidward123]

if you watch it through streaming on sopcast or ppmate or something like that, you can press the record button and watch it later

[abbey]

How do you think Germany will perform against Nigeria?

[Cris 09]

How do you think Germany will perform against Nigeria?

Statistically, they have the firepower to win!!
17 goals scored in 5 games!! :D

Colombia 3:3 Germany
Ghana 2:3 Germany
Germany 5:0 Trinidad and Tobago
Germany 2:1 USA
England 1:4 Germany




But they let in 7 as well!! :o
on the other hand...
Nigeria have found the net 13 times while only conceding 3 goals!!

Nigeria 2:1 France
Japan 0:3 Nigeria
Nigeria 4:1 Haiti
Nigeria 2:1 Colombia
Argentina 0:2 Nigeria

[abbey]

Correction. Nigeria have scored 13 goals and conceeded only 3. It's going to be a great game, but I see Germany squeaking by a 2 - 1 win.

[episkeptis]

Truth is that Nigeria are the favorites to lift the trophy, but so far the German NT had a great tournament, and its going to be a close game.

[abbey]

Truth is that Nigeria are the favorites to lift the trophy, but so far the German NT had a great tournament, and its going to be a close game.

How each fared against common opponents:

Germany vs Colombia 3 - 3
Germany vs Ghana 3 - 2
Germany: 1-0-1

Nigeria vs Colombia 2 - 1
Nigeria vs Ghana 2 - 0 (Africa U-17 semi-finals)
Nigeria 2-0-0

[ForeverRed]

If we do get past Nigeria I have no doubt that we'll win the entire thing. How long has it been since Germany won a youth tournament?

[bltleo]

If we do get past Nigeria I have no doubt that we'll win the entire thing. How long has it been since Germany won a youth tournament?

oh, I´m optimistic on this.....we will the world cup this time

[Lodda]

If we do get past Nigeria I have no doubt that we'll win the entire thing. How long has it been since Germany won a youth tournament?

26 years. It was the 1981 U20 World Cup.

For U17, Germany reached the final of the first tournament in 1985, where they lost to Nigeria 0-2.

[Cris 09]

26 years. It was the 1981 U20 World Cup.

For U17, Germany reached the final of the first tournament in 1985, where they lost to Nigeria 0-2.

Just curious but, anyone know of any "big" names that came out of those two tourneys??

[episkeptis]

The squad of the 1981 U20 wc is here:
http://www.fifa.com/tournaments/archive/tournament=104/edition=191109/teams/team=1888259.htmlhttp://www.fifa.com/tournaments/archive/tournament=104/edition=191109/teams/team=1888259.html

[Cris 09]

The squad of the 1981 U20 wc is here:
http://www.fifa.com/tournaments/archive/tournament=104/edition=191109/teams/team=1888259.htmlhttp://www.fifa.com/tournaments/archive/tournament=104/edition=191109/teams/team=1888259.html

The message I got from FIFA when I tried your link was;

Sorry...
The page you are looking for is not available.

I'm not sure why it was cut off. I could only see it complete when I hit "quote" on your post...
anyways...this is the list;

1 VOLLBORN Ruediger 02-12-1963
2 WINKLHOFER Helmut 08-27-1961
3 SCHMIDKUNZ Anton 01-03-1963
4 NUSHOEHR Michael 08-14-1962
5 TRIEB Martin 09-23-1961
6 ZORC Michael 08-25-1962
7 BRUNNER Thomas 08-10-1962
8 ANTHES Holger 08-09-1962
9 HERBST Thomas 10-05-1962
10 LOSE Ralf 01-05-1963
11 WOHLFARTH Roland 01-11-1963
12 WILK Rainer 11-22-1963
13 SCHOEN Alfred 01-13-1962
14 AULBACH Ingo 08-05-1962
15 SIEVERS Ralf 10-30-1961
16 BRUMMER Axel 11-25-1961
17 SCHAROLD Bernhard 09-20-1962
18 HERMANN Martin 01-14-1963

Other than Zorc, I'm not familiar with hardly any of them???

[Yggdrasil]

The message I got from FIFA when I tried your link was;

Sorry...
The page you are looking for is not available.

I'm not sure why it was cut off. I could only see it complete when I hit "quote" on your post...
anyways...this is the list;

1 VOLLBORN Ruediger 02-12-1963
2 WINKLHOFER Helmut 08-27-1961
3 SCHMIDKUNZ Anton 01-03-1963
4 NUSHOEHR Michael 08-14-1962
5 TRIEB Martin 09-23-1961
6 ZORC Michael 08-25-1962
7 BRUNNER Thomas 08-10-1962
8 ANTHES Holger 08-09-1962
9 HERBST Thomas 10-05-1962
10 LOSE Ralf 01-05-1963
11 WOHLFARTH Roland 01-11-1963
12 WILK Rainer 11-22-1963
13 SCHOEN Alfred 01-13-1962
14 AULBACH Ingo 08-05-1962
15 SIEVERS Ralf 10-30-1961
16 BRUMMER Axel 11-25-1961
17 SCHAROLD Bernhard 09-20-1962
18 HERMANN Martin 01-14-1963

Other than Zorc, I'm not familiar with hardly any of them???
At least Roland Wohlfarth is a bit (in)famous. Played almost 20 years in the Bundesliga and the French league. Scored quite a number of goals. In the 80ies he played for Bayern. But he didn't make it to the NT for long. He is infamous because he was caught for doping in the mid 90ies. First acknowledged case in the Bundesliga.