My theory on why Germany is struggling!

["Eisenfuß" Eilts]

you said earlier germany had only 5 players in starting 11 that playede abroad. thank you for claryfying that. but look now
1.arsenal
2.hertha
3bayern
4 h96
5. chelsea-bench warmer
6.bvb
7leverkursen
8bayern
9.werder
10.koln
11.bayern
they obviously lack what it takes to perform in major competition

Why :confused:

[Psychosis hsv]

i have not seen a successful side that has such composition

[Alex_K]

you said earlier germany had only 5 players in starting 11 that playede abroad. thank you for claryfying that. but look now


Not only in the starting eleven, on the entire roster. I think no German national team had ever more than 7 (1992 EC) players from foreign clubs on their tournament roster.

The 1970 WC (3rd place in the end) roster (random example) looked like this:

Bayern 3 players
Schalke 2
Frankfurt 1
Juventus 1
Dortmund 1
Bremen 1
Köln 4
Braunschweig 2
1860 1
Milan 1
HSV 2
Gladbach 2
Stuttgart 1

[Psychosis hsv]

Not only in the starting eleven, on the entire roster. I think no German national team had ever more than 7 (1992 EC) players from foreign clubs on their tournament roster.

The 1970 WC (3rd place in the end) roster (random example) looked like this:

Bayern 3 players
Schalke 2
Frankfurt 1
Juventus 1
Dortmund 1
Bremen 1
Köln 4
Braunschweig 2
1860 1
Milan 1
HSV 2
Gladbach 2
Stuttgart 1
then it doesnt matter anyway, i will take my point back

[Psychosis hsv]

u havent seen winning greece the EC ?
greece won because of tactics and it had a german coach

[JeffS]

The ultimate solution obviously is to have more German youths and senior players playing for Bundesliga clubs. 60% foreign players is way too high. It should at least be brought down to below 50%.

Now, European law forbids certain types of "limits". So that's mostly a no-go (as has already been pointed out). However, it could be quite viable to enact incentives, or decentives, or different types of limits, such as:

- Minimum salary for foreign players - there are far too many mediocre foreign players in the BL. Beyond Ze Roberto, Lucio, and Roy Makaay, how many foreigners playing in the BL are truly world class? Not many. Right now, it's cheaper, easier, and more immediate to go buy a foreigner, no matter how mediocre that player might be, than to develop a German youth. Having a minimum salary on foreign players would make mediocre players less cheap.

- A limit of non-EU players. Both Serie A and La Liga put a limit of 3 non-EU players on their clubs. This apparently does not violate European law. Putting in such a limit would make it harder for BL clubs to simply "buy a Brazillian", and thus more attractive to develop a German youth.

- some NT money being allocated to BL clubs that have players play for the NT, including compensation for lost injury time.

- Just like for EPL teams, and English immigration law, enact a requirement on foreign players that they have to play in a certain minimum percentage of their country's national team games, otherwise they don't get a work permit. With the EPL, I think it's something 75% (correct me if I'm wrong). The idea is a job that could be adequately filled by a native should not be given to a foreigner unless that foreigner demonstratively can add better services than the native. It kind of makes sense, especially in the soccer world. I don't know how that fits in with Euro law, but it would have a great effect. It would decrease the number of foreigners, and increase the quality of the foreigners that do play for BL clubs.

- DFB establishes a youth system funding pool, accessible to BL clubs, only for development of their youth systems.

[ForeverRed]

Many Seria A and La Liga clubs don't follow those rules though....the Spanish FA is especially weak in enforcing that law.

[PileD]

DFB reform. Well, is the DFB structure really the culprit of Germans NT's problems like many are saying?

Many of Klinsmann's supporters point out that he is finally tackling the deep rooted rotten infrastructure issues of the German Soccer Association. He kicked out some well known figures including Sepp Maier and other well known celebrities, the chief scout is Swiss, the fitness trainer American and we almost would have had a hockey coach as the sports director. Is all that supposed to help us to have a better nationalteam in the long run?

Didn't the current structure work just fine? We made it to the WC final 7 times and won 3 of them, within the last 30 years we always at least made it to the quarterfinals of the WC, we made it to the Euro final 5 times and won 3 of them.

I don't want to say that there is no room for some changes and improvement in the structure, but despite pissing people off, I'm still trying to figure out what Klinsmann is trying to accomplish or how all of this is supposed to help our NT.

Here is what I think should be the major focus point to have a great national team in the long run. PROMOTE THE YOUTH! About 12 years ago when I was playing in Germany the problem already creeped into the German leagues.We had great talent on our team, including myself. But when we were done with the youth league (A-Youth it is called) they dropped us like hot potatoes and rather spend millions of $$$ to buy players from other foreign countries. We ended up in the third or below non-pro leagues.

The situation now is far worse than 12 years ago. Correct me if I'm wrong but the Bundesliga has about 60% foreign players, more than any other league including the EPL.

So how can you produce a solid NT, if you don't have any German players???

My solution:

- Work at the roots. It starts with the little village teams and goes all the way to Bayern Muenchen. Find the young talents and promote them.

- Reduce the amount of foreign players allowed to play at the professional level. I think 70% German nationals and 30% foreign players is a good ratio.

Now is it Klinsmann's job to worry about all of that? No it is not. His job is to take the most talented players of the Bundesliga and form a great Nationalteam that has the ability to bring home the trophies.


You're right.

[HerrRupert]

DFB reform. Well, is the DFB structure really the culprit of Germans NT's problems like many are saying?

Many of Klinsmann's supporters point out that he is finally tackling the deep rooted rotten infrastructure issues of the German Soccer Association. He kicked out some well known figures including Sepp Maier and other well known celebrities, the chief scout is Swiss, the fitness trainer American and we almost would have had a hockey coach as the sports director. Is all that supposed to help us to have a better nationalteam in the long run?

Didn't the current structure work just fine? We made it to the WC final 7 times and won 3 of them, within the last 30 years we always at least made it to the quarterfinals of the WC, we made it to the Euro final 5 times and won 3 of them.

I don't want to say that there is no room for some changes and improvement in the structure, but despite pissing people off, I'm still trying to figure out what Klinsmann is trying to accomplish or how all of this is supposed to help our NT.

Here is what I think should be the major focus point to have a great national team in the long run. PROMOTE THE YOUTH! About 12 years ago when I was playing in Germany the problem already creeped into the German leagues.We had great talent on our team, including myself. But when we were done with the youth league (A-Youth it is called) they dropped us like hot potatoes and rather spend millions of $$$ to buy players from other foreign countries. We ended up in the third or below non-pro leagues.

The situation now is far worse than 12 years ago. Correct me if I'm wrong but the Bundesliga has about 60% foreign players, more than any other league including the EPL.

So how can you produce a solid NT, if you don't have any German players???

My solution:

- Work at the roots. It starts with the little village teams and goes all the way to Bayern Muenchen. Find the young talents and promote them.

- Reduce the amount of foreign players allowed to play at the professional level. I think 70% German nationals and 30% foreign players is a good ratio.

Now is it Klinsmann's job to worry about all of that? No it is not. His job is to take the most talented players of the Bundesliga and form a great Nationalteam that has the ability to bring home the trophies.

well same problem i other leagues klinsmann is the real problem including his much to offensive attacking style that is not going to end good i fear

[F96]

well same problem i other leagues klinsmann is the real problem including his much to offensive attacking style that is not going to end good i fear

OMG, he's back! :D

[ForeverRed]

well same problem i other leagues klinsmann is the real problem including his much to offensive attacking style that is not going to end good i fear

I happen to agree to a certain extent but I'll give him the benefit of the doubt.