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Chiquitibum

04 Apr 2006, 08:32 PM

metalmaster

04 Apr 2006, 08:44 PM

discuss...

nah, j/k

ok, so I have had High hopes for CA ever since kikin joined, but they just cant seem to get it together.

Interliga, nope.

now they have done badly the past few games.

maybe time for a change? rid of chelito and get some other quality?

that colombian guy IMO needs to go.

I do agree that is time for major changes at Cruz Azul. Chelito is probably thinking of playing somewhere else already.

Interliga did not mean anything to the directivos, since they do not like the way things are handled down at the Libertadores, Billy said this much in an interview, so I don't really understand why they played it to begin with, maybe they had no choice? I don't know if refusing was an option.

The Colombian? Restrepo? one of the most consistent guy there.
what we need is a new golkeeper.

Dr. Wagner

04 Apr 2006, 09:04 PM

I'm not too sure but I heard a while back that Chelito, before leaving C.A, wants to at least win a title with the team.

La China Poblana

04 Apr 2006, 10:59 PM

I'm not too sure but I heard a while back that Chelito, before leaving C.A, wants to at least win a title with the team.
He might have been sincere when he said that, but the way he's been playing, his head is already somewhere else.

El Chompiras

05 Apr 2006, 02:51 AM

He might have been sincere when he said that, but the way he's been playing, his head is already somewhere else.

How much $ do you think Cruz Azul will get for him in Europe?

Chiquitibum

05 Apr 2006, 07:29 AM

ok, maybe hes not columbian. pereyra, the 10, that guy doesnt do jack.

flame me if you must.

changoguapo

05 Apr 2006, 02:21 PM

I do agree that is time for major changes at Cruz Azul. Chelito is probably thinking of playing somewhere else already.

Interliga did not mean anything to the directivos, since they do not like the way things are handled down at the Libertadores, Billy said this much in an interview, so I don't really understand why they played it to begin with, maybe they had no choice? I don't know if refusing was an option.

The Colombian? Restrepo? one of the most consistent guy there.
what we need is a new golkeeper.

Hallelujah!!!!!!!!!!!!!! lets pray for a new keeper.

Memento

06 Apr 2006, 03:29 AM

Otaku

06 Apr 2006, 03:33 AM

How much $ do you think Cruz Azul will get for him in Europe?

Depends if he goes to the WC and does good with Argentina. I think they can sqeeze out a good 3 million for him

changoguapo

06 Apr 2006, 01:17 PM

There is a need for Change fro Cruz Azul quick

I HOPE THERE IS A CHANGE OF COACH SOON.Mizrahi doesn't have the experience to handle the team.We need a probed coach with experience and with an atrractive style.We have played for years with the same system.(3-2 3-2)Libero,dos centrales,dos carrileros,dos mediocampistas,un volante y dos delanteros.

Suggestions: Hans Westerhoff,He knows what is about coaching in Mexico and under pressure.With patience this guy can bring results and besies he has a good style of football..

I like this idea, Hans is a proven winner. But im not in favor of releasing a coach half way through, let him finish his plan and fire at the end. Unless we were fighting for relegation, then its a different story.

1)O.Perez is now old.I think his last days as the goalkeeper of CA are counted. And I dont say this because of age, but because te quality.He just doesnt have the talent he used to have.

Suggestions: A young mexican goalkepper,with some talent: Corona,C.Saucedo..

Lets not forget Jorge Bernal from Veracruz. But more important CRUZ AZUL has 2 young keepers, whats the point of having them if youre not going to use them. Give them a chance. Let them at least screw up, we may have another Memo Ochoa. America almost didnt give him a shot, now look at him. When A.Rios got injured they were quick to bring in Saja.

2)W need more attacking midfield, I like Pereyra but he needs a partner.Necesitamos un volante de ataque.ya!

Suggestions: Castroman,this guy is top class.

3)We need a replacement for C.Delgado, with th same quality and class this player has,since he has been the most talented player in CA for quite a while.I think Delgado will move forward, it is the process of any player,his CA stage is reaching the end.(Sadly!)

Suggestions: M . Vuosso. One of the best forwards in Mexico,simple as that.
Hope one day we get him.

I have no problem with foreigners, and Vuosso is good, but I'd like to stay Mexican. Id like to replace him with Carlos Ochoa. Hes the only consistent Mexican with Chiapas and in the scoring column. And if Fonseca leaves too, perhaps we can lure Landin or another up and coming Mexican kid. Its time to support these young Mexicans, and CRUZ AZUL is an organization that can bring some light and exposure.

Memento

06 Apr 2006, 05:04 PM

I like this idea, Hans is a proven winner. But im not in favor of releasing a coach half way through, let him finish his plan and fire at the end. Unless we were fighting for relegation, then its a different story.

Well I don't think Mizrahi should go out until the tournament ends.It depends on his numbers if he stays or if he goes (wich is bad because the team doesn't play well but you can qualify to the liguilla with poor results)

Lets not forget Jorge Bernal from Veracruz. But more important CRUZ AZUL has 2 young keepers, whats the point of having them if youre not going to use them. Give them a chance. Let them at least screw up, we may have another Memo Ochoa. America almost didnt give him a shot, now look at him. When A.Rios got injured they were quick to bring in Saja.

That is another option,see if the young keepers from CA have the talent.I wish they could have lended them to another team,to see what are they made of instead of wasting them in the bench.Still I think Corona or Saucedo are proben keepers that can go with the pressure,Saucedo has feced two years relegation with Dorados and Corona has international experience.

I have no problem with foreigners, and Vuosso is good, but I'd like to stay Mexican. Id like to replace him with Carlos Ochoa. Hes the only consistent Mexican with Chiapas and in the scoring column. And if Fonseca leaves too, perhaps we can lure Landin or another up and coming Mexican kid. Its time to support these young Mexicans, and CRUZ AZUL is an organization that can bring some light and exposure.

Well, I don't think Ochoa is that good.He is too inconsistent.The reason why he is having a good tournament is because Jaguares is playing extremely good.I would keep Fonseca and Villaluz to be the mexican attackers along with a foreigner. Neither Fonseca,nor Landin,nor Ochoa have the class of Vuosso.

changoguapo

06 Apr 2006, 05:27 PM

Well, I don't think Ochoa is that good.He is too inconsistent.The reason why he is having a good tournament is because Jaguares is playing extremely good..

Isnt that how it usually works? When a team does good, it means their players are doing good. Look at Marioni or Chamagol, both goal scorers, not scoring now.
Let me reverse it to you, could Jaguares be playing good because Ochoa and others are doing good.
Ochoa has been one of the most consistent Mexicans past couple seasons (as far as scoring) even though Cabanas is the one who takes the PKs.

I would keep Fonseca and Villaluz to be the mexican attackers along with a foreigner. Neither Fonseca,nor Landin,nor Ochoa have the class of Vuosso.

Nobody will, at the same token, Vuosso isnt like Fonseca.

changoguapo

15 May 2006, 02:22 PM

We need to write a letter and all put our names on it and some how email it to a Cruz Azul "suggestion box." Their web page should have an opinions or suggestions link right? Does anybody know? in this letter we dont tell them how to run it but we tell why we think its not working, why we havent won shyt in 9 years, why only 1 title in 25, ...and so for. Does anybody have any suggestions, i dont want Cruz Azul to become a team based on its History. Were living in the past fellas, and this one hit hard.

Rafael Hernandez

15 May 2006, 05:02 PM

Well, I don't think Ochoa is that good.He is too inconsistent.The reason why he is having a good tournament is because Jaguares is playing extremely good.I would keep Fonseca and Villaluz to be the mexican attackers along with a foreigner. Neither Fonseca,nor Landin,nor Ochoa have the class of Vuosso.

You mean the class of getting perfect crosses from Pony Ruiz. Vouso is good but he is no crack. He is a good scorer and a good player but he is no overly superior or sometimes superior to all of those mentioned. Even if he is argie.

Memento

15 May 2006, 08:08 PM

You mean the class of getting perfect crosses from Pony Ruiz. Vouso is good but he is no crack. He is a good scorer and a good player but he is no overly superior or sometimes superior to all of those mentioned. Even if he is argie.

I don't care for nationality.I care for the quality of the player and his consistency. Ochoa is very insconsistent, one time he shines,the other he dissapears. Landin,is a young striker with potential,that still needs time to probe he can be consistent and stay among the top.And Fonseca is a great player, but sometimes he can dissapear,besides lacking that cynical finishing to score 1 goal in 2 or 3 attempts.He is the kind of player that has many chances,scores a goal, but misses many oportunities.

I think he is better than Ochoa,Landin and some others because he has great strenght,nice heading,knows how to conduct,and can deal with many opponents..He has qualities that few forwards in Mexico have

He singlehandedly has helped Santos in a team that rates very low.He has been able to be top scorer in a team that never plays well.He stands out in a lousy team, you just need to surround him by talent.

Statistically Vuosso is a better player than Ochoa, Landin, or Fonseca who (altought being with better teams) don't appear ar crucial times,or score important goals.

Rafael Hernandez

15 May 2006, 09:22 PM

I don't care for nationality.I care for the quality of the player and his consistency. Ochoa is very insconsistent, one time he shines,the other he dissapears. Landin,is a young striker with potential,that still needs time to probe he can be consistent and stay among the top.And Fonseca is a great player, but sometimes he can dissapear,besides lacking that cynical finishing to score 1 goal in 2 or 3 attempts.He is the kind of player that has many chances,scores a goal, but misses many oportunities.

I think he is better than Ochoa,Landin and some others because he has great strenght,nice heading,knows how to conduct,and can deal with many opponents..He has qualities that few forwards in Mexico have

He singlehandedly has helped Santos in a team that rates very low.He has been able to be top scorer in a team that never plays well.He stands out in a lousy team, you just need to surround him by talent.

Statistically Vuosso is a better player than Ochoa, Landin, or Fonseca who (altought being with better teams) don't appear ar crucial times,or score important goals.

He singlehandedly has helped Santos in a team that rates very low

That's the BS right there. No he doesn't singlehandly help that team. They have Pony Ruiz, who not only is one of the best foreigners ever, he is the best crosser in the league. Vouso even said he wasn't a goal scorer before coming to Santos and he is a big part of his cross. Vouso has great strength and is a great forward. He is not a crack. He is not in a class of it own compared to Ochoa, Landin and Kikin.

I don't know how Kikin hasn't appered in crucial times when he was key in Pumas 2nd title and did appeared. Just because he hasn't save that mess Cruz Azul has doesn't mean that. I sure missed all those postseason heroics Vouso did when Santos went to the Liguilla and got outscored by Pony Ruiz (like this past season where he also got outscored by him, guess Ruiz has something to say about being the star players in Santos).

Memento

15 May 2006, 09:27 PM

He singlehandedly has helped Santos in a team that rates very low

That's the BS right there. No he doesn't singlehandly help that team. They have Pony Ruiz, who not only is one of the best foreigners ever, he is the best crosser in the league. Vouso even said he wasn't a goal scorer before coming to Santos and he is a big part of his cross. Vouso has great strength and is a great forward. He is not a crack. He is not in a class of it own compared to Ochoa, Landin and Kikin.

I don't know how Kikin hasn't appered in crucial times when he was key in Pumas 2nd title and did appeared. Just because he hasn't save that mess Cruz Azul has doesn't mean that. I sure missed all those postseason heroics Vouso did when Santos went to the Liguilla and got outscored by Pony Ruiz (like this past season where he also got outscored by him, guess Ruiz has something to say about being the star players in Santos).

Bring in Vuosso.Let him be the partner of Chelito Delgado,that could work.

Kikin was part of a very fine machine called Pumas that knew what todo to win games,and thus,titles.If you put Kikin in a bad team,he might dissapear.With Pumas players like Salvador Iñiguez,Bruno Marioni and Parejita Lopez had a great momentum,but if you take them out of that system,they won't do as good as they did with Pumas.

I didn't say Vuosso was a crack,only that IMO he's better player than Ochoa,Kikin,and Landin, who are really good players also.

;)

Rafael Hernandez

15 May 2006, 11:50 PM

Bring in Vuosso.Let him be the partner of Chelito Delgado,that could work.

Kikin was part of a very fine machine called Pumas that knew what todo to win games,and thus,titles.If you put Kikin in a bad team,he might dissapear.With Pumas players like Salvador Iñiguez,Bruno Marioni and Parejita Lopez had a great momentum,but if you take them out of that system,they won't do as good as they did with Pumas.

I didn't say Vuosso was a crack,only that IMO he's better player than Ochoa,Kikin,and Landin, who are really good players also.

;)

It wasn't a coincidence that Kikin leaving the team really hurt Pumas just as it isn't a coincidence that Vuoso has had great season with a partner like Pony Ruiz, who is the best crosser in the league who had helped Borgetti win scoring titles and be the top scoring mexican in the league for a while.

I think Kikin is better but Vouso is a great forward. You could argue and think he is better than the other 3. But to say he is in a different class is pure BS.

Memento

16 May 2006, 12:05 AM

It wasn't a coincidence that Kikin leaving the team really hurt Pumas just as it isn't a coincidence that Vuoso has had great season with a partner like Pony Ruiz, who is the best crosser in the league who had helped Borgetti win scoring titles and be the top scoring mexican in the league for a while.

I think Kikin is better but Vouso is a great forward. You could argue and think he is better than the other 3. But to say he is in a different class is pure BS.

So you are basically saying that Kikin is such a good player that a team like Pumas witout him can't be as good as it was(in terms of liguilla activity,not in a season where Pumas did not perform above average)??

Of course Pumas was hurt with the abscence of Kikin,but the bad form of Pumas had more to do with an overall bad season from the team and other circunstances ,than because they lost 1 player.As you said not even Kikin has saved the mess that is Cruz Azul,and I don't think that if he would continue with Pumas he could have save their mess too.

Ok.Correction. Vuosso is not a crack.Vuosso is not pure class.

Don't get me wrong,I think Kikin is a really good player but in my opinion Vuosso is a better player than Kikin,Landin or Ochoa.

Rafael Hernandez

16 May 2006, 12:16 AM

So you are basically saying that Kikin is such a good player that a team like Pumas witout him can't be as good as it was(in terms of liguilla activity,not in a season where Pumas did not perform above average)??

Of course Pumas was hurt with the abscence of Kikin,but the bad form of Pumas had more to do with an overall bad season from the team and other circunstances ,than because they lost 1 player.As you said not even Kikin has saved the mess that is Cruz Azul,and I don't think that if he would continue with Pumas he could have save their mess too.

Ok.Correction. Vuosso is not a crack.Vuosso is not pure class.

Don't get me wrong,I think Kikin is a really good player but in my opinion Vuosso is a better player than Kikin,Landin or Ochoa.

Not that he was the key but that it was a real big miss and he did a good job. And that with Pumas he did perform when needed and he did have key performances with them because you claimed he didn't which isn't true. And all thus thing you said about Kikin not doing, do you think Vouso would?