Injury thread

[Cris 09]

Kehl, Tinga and Hajnal out with injury...oh boy.

[footyfan1]

Kehl, Tinga and Hajnal out with injury...oh boy.


All season, I've been hearing about how Feulner "can't find his form".

Watch. All of a sudden, word out of Dortmund is going to be that he's great and ready to take over for Hajnal.... :rolleyes:

EDIT: What's worse is that in this article (http://www.ruhrnachrichten.de/sport/bvb/BVB-News-BVB-bis-zur-Winterpause-ohne-Tamas-Hajnal;art11635,699730) Ruhr Nachrichten says that Hajnal is probably out for the rest of 2009!! :eek:

[Romario'sgurl]

All season, I've been hearing about how Feulner "can't find his form".

Watch. All of a sudden, word out of Dortmund is going to be that he's great and ready to take over for Hajnal.... :rolleyes:

EDIT: What's worse is that in this article (http://www.ruhrnachrichten.de/sport/bvb/BVB-News-BVB-bis-zur-Winterpause-ohne-Tamas-Hajnal;art11635,699730) Ruhr Nachrichten says that Hajnal is probably out for the rest of 2009!! :eek:

Feulner..uggh:mad:

[footyfan1]

Feulner..uggh:mad:


Tell me about it. I had hopes for that guy, but it seems he is just another one who is a star in the 2nd Bundesliga, but can't "do the business" in the 1st Bundesliga.

I want us to sign Lincoln before he winds up in Frankfurt, but the dumbasses in charge at BVB think they have done a great job building this mediocre team. :mad:

[footyfan1]

Hajnal Update:



According to Kicker, Hajnal's injury cannot be treated "conservatively" and he is already scheduled to undergo surgery tomorrow (Thursday) by an ankle specialist in Antwerp, Belgium.

If this report is true, Hajnal is definitely out for the rest of the 2009 calendar year.


DAMNIT ZORC, GO GET LINCOLN!!!! :mad:



EDIT: The report is true. BVB confirms it in this article (http://www.bvb.de/?%87%ECZ%1B%E7%F4%9CZb%E2%87%95).

[Romario'sgurl]

Tell me about it. I had hopes for that guy, but it seems he is just another one who is a star in the 2nd Bundesliga, but can't "do the business" in the 1st Bundesliga.

I want us to sign Lincoln before he winds up in Frankfurt, but the dumbasses in charge at BVB think they have done a great job building this mediocre team. :mad:

At least you gave the guy a chance. I wasn't having any of it.

What's the word on Lincoln? Anything new on that?

[footyfan1]

At least you gave the guy a chance. I wasn't having any of it.

What's the word on Lincoln? Anything new on that?


Word is Skibbe is once again pressuring Frankfurt's management to sign Lincoln.

As far as any BVB inquiries, not a peep. The same old crap is coming out of Dortmund.

"No panicking, we have faith in our roster, the team is good enough."


The truly scary thing is that they really believe their own bullshit. :mad:

[smithfan]

Seriously, let's give Mario Götze a chance.

[Cris 09]

Seriously, let's give Mario Götze a chance.


Ooooh. I like that idea. :)

But he is busy with the Germany U17 set up at least for the next 2 weeks. Longer if Germany advance.

[footyfan1]

smithfan wrote: Seriously, let's give Mario Götze a chance.



Ooooh. I like that idea. :)

But he is busy with the Germany U17 set up at least for the next 2 weeks. Longer if Germany advance.



I'd be with you guys if striker was our biggest problem. It isn't. Midfield is.

Call me about Mario Götze when he becomes an effective play maker.

[Cris 09]

I'd be with you guys if striker was our biggest problem. It isn't. Midfield is.

Call me about Mario Götze when he becomes an effective play maker.

What's your number? ;)

[smithfan]

I'd be with you guys if striker was our biggest problem. It isn't. Midfield is.

Call me about Mario Götze when he becomes an effective play maker.

That's what he is. Too bad that Dortmund doesn't even promote him to the reserves. Don't understand that.

[footyfan1]

That's what he is. Too bad that Dortmund doesn't even promote him to the reserves. Don't understand that.


My apologies then. I always thought he was more of an attacker.

Not promoting him to BVB II might be part of what I said in the Bochum match thread.

BVB Management really seems to believe they have done a "great job" building this team.

They really seem to believe all they have to do is wait and things will get back to the way they were at the end of last season.

I always say they are "too optimistic" to do their jobs properly.

They really don't seem to even consider that the run we had at the end of last season was more luck than substance.

They really seem to not want to face the possibility that they have not done as good of a job with this team as they think they have.

As I've said for years, they never prepare for the "worst case scenario". They always seem to plan as if no one will ever be injured or out of form.

That is what is most frustrating to me.

[smithfan]

Usually I'm rather conservative when it comes to Dortmund youth players, because I know that even the so-called golden generation brought only one player up. Tyrala failed, Vrzogic (sadly) failed, only Nuri made it. Although these guys were awesome in the U17 sector. Funnily enough, a boy who didn't even get a lot of playing time in Dortmund's U19 made it to the Bundesliga (Felix Bastians). But anyway, I think that Mario Götze is _the best_ that we have here and also in Germany in his age group and god damnit, even in Europe. He ripped the U19 liga apart last year as a "Jüngerer Jahrgang", and now you can see that he's not challenged enough in that league. He actually should have been part of the reserve team from the beginning of this season and then he might have become an option for Klopp. But I remember reading an article where the Dortmund coaches weren't even sure if they should promote him from U17 to U19, because he might get "verheizt" (I hate that word) then. But in the end, they did it and Götze really ripped the U19 league apart. No sign of Verheizen, no sign of physical problems although he's rather small.

Without Götze, Tolgay Arslan would have never reached his fantastic quota. He's got everything that a playmaker needs to have but even better, he also has pace.

Little anecdote: I was in Jena during the U17 Euro and Germany were facing England. I talked to a few international scouts and the only name that was constantly being shouted was Jack "wonderkid" Wilshere: "Jack Wilshere is the man to watch!". I told them to have a look at the German No.10. And after the game one came back and said: "The German No.10 was fantastic. He's got everything. Pace, vision etc". Germany had won 4:0, Götze scoring a beautiful goal and setting up many great chances.

Luckily enough, Dortmund was wise enough to sign him early. Otherwise he'd probably now be in England.

[footyfan1]

Usually I'm rather conservative when it comes to Dortmund youth players, because I know that even the so-called golden generation brought only one player up. Tyrala failed, Vrzogic (sadly) failed, only Nuri made it. Although these guys were awesome in the U17 sector. Funnily enough, a boy who didn't even get a lot of playing time in Dortmund's U19 made it to the Bundesliga (Felix Bastians). But anyway, I think that Mario Götze is _the best_ that we have here and also in Germany in his age group and god damnit, even in Europe. He ripped the U19 liga apart last year as a "Jüngerer Jahrgang", and now you can see that he's not challenged enough in that league. He actually should have been part of the reserve team from the beginning of this season and then he might have become an option for Klopp. But I remember reading an article where the Dortmund coaches weren't even sure if they should promote him from U17 to U19, because he might get "verheizt" (I hate that word) then. But in the end, they did it and Götze really ripped the U19 league apart. No sign of Verheizen, no sign of physical problems although he's rather small.

Without Götze, Tolgay Arslan would have never reached his fantastic quota. He's got everything that a playmaker needs to have but even better, he also has pace.

Little anecdote: I was in Jena during the U17 Euro and Germany were facing England. I talked to a few international scouts and the only name that was constantly being shouted was Jack "wonderkid" Wilshere: "Jack Wilshere is the man to watch!". I told them to have a look at the German No.10. And after the game one came back and said: "The German No.10 was fantastic. He's got everything. Pace, vision etc". Germany had won 4:0, Götze scoring a beautiful goal and setting up many great chances.

Luckily enough, Dortmund was wise enough to sign him early. Otherwise he'd probably now be in England.



We'll see if management does anything. My guess is they won't.

I really wish I lived closer to that area. Then, I could follow the club properly.

I rely too much on what I'm told and what I read.

[smithfan]

if you have some time, follow the U17 world cup at the end of October. Götze will play there, along with Christopher Buchtmann, former Borussia Dortmund player (now Liverpool). Our centreback Onur Cenik would have been invited aswell, but he is injured.

Don't know if you follow the youth threads at transfermarkt, I usually write there quite angrily about BVB's philosophy regarding youth players and what they consider good and bad. For example this:

Für mich steht auch fest, warum die Ausbeute im Profibereich so vergleichsweise gering ist. Dortmund legt auf das völlig Falsche Wert! Dortmund dominiert die U15, die U14, ist bei U17 einigermaßen vorne dabei, führt bei der U19. Und trotzdem kommen vergleichsmäßig wenige Talente in Dortmund nach ganz oben. Warum ist dem so? Der Grund ist relativ einfach zu benennen: Die BVB-Jugendteams sind den anderen Jugendmannschaften in der Regel physisch meilenweit überlegen. Wenn man sich mal die U14 vom BVB ansieht, und dann die U14 von Gladbach - das ist ein riesen Unterschied körperlich. Das Gleiche gilt auch für die U15 und mit Abstrichen auch bei den anderen Teams. So erzielt man herausragende Ergebnisse jedes Jahr, aber sie täuschen darüber hinweg, dass Spieler dort wesentlich weiter entwickelt sind als bei den anderen Teams. Und genau die Spieler von den anderen Teams sind dann die, die später aufholen und einige Borussen-Talente plötzlich in den Schatten stellen.

Das ist pure Blenderei! Man macht sich selbst was vor - denn die Ergebnisse sprechen ja für eine "gute Jugendarbeit". Zumindest kann man das dann in die Mikros der Pressevertreter sagen. Andere Teams wie Stuttgart, Hoffenheim, Schalke oder Gladbach nehmen es in Kauf, auch mal in der Tabelle weiter hinten zu liegen, wenn man dafür talentierten Spielern die Chance gibt, auf höchstem Niveau zu spielen, obwohl sie vielleicht körperlich schwächer sind. Bei den Gladbachern spielt in der U15 einer mit 1, 52 m Körpergröße! Der spielt da vorne gegen Spieler, die teilweise 1,80 m sind. In Dortmund würde so jemand nie im Leben spielen. Aber in Gladbach hat er es jetzt zum mehrmaligen DFB Lehrgangsteilnehmer geschafft und steht im erweiterten Kreis für die U15 Nationalmannschaft. Der Junge erinnert mich stark an einen gewissen Marin.

Ich könnte heulen, wenn ich sehe, was für Rohdiamanten in den U14, U15 und U17 Mannschaften von beispielsweise Gladbach oder Stuttgart spielen, aber die wären bei uns alle durchgefallen, weil sie derzeit teilweise nicht größer als 1,60 - 1,65 m sind.

Unsere U14, die den Nachwuchscup mal wieder dominiert, ist im Durchschnitt einen Kopf größer als die anderen Teams.

Aber na klar - super Nachwuchsförderung. Gewinnen ja immer so viele Titel im Nachwuchsbereich.

Deswegen sehe ich auch schwarz, wenn man beim BVB nun ernsthaft glauben sollte, dass man mit dem Jugend-Konzept viel reißen wird. Dazu fehlt schlicht und ergreifend die Basis - nämlich die gute Nachwuchsförderung. Aber ich glaube sowieso, dass das nur mal wieder eine Übergangsphase ist, bis der BVB wieder einigermaßen Geld hat, um auch mal Spieler für 3-4 Mio zu verpflichten. Kommt halt bei den Fans gut an, wenn man sagt "Wir machen uns unsere eigenen Stars" anstatt "Wir haben kein Geld und müssen daher schauen, dass wir irgendwo Spieler herkriegen, die wir uns leisten können, und das sind derzeit nicht viele außerhalb unseres eigenen Nachwuchsbereichs"

Ich sehe keine Fortschritte. Es ist nach wie vor eine Alibi-Nachwuchsförderung und das kotzt mich an, weil wir mit relativ wenig Geld viel mehr herausholen könnten.

[footyfan1]

if you have some time, follow the U17 world cup at the end of October. Götze will play there, along with Christopher Buchtmann, former Borussia Dortmund player (now Liverpool). Our centreback Onur Cenik would have been invited as well, but he is injured.

Don't know if you follow the youth threads at transfermarkt, I usually write there quite angrily about BVB's philosophy regarding youth players and what they consider good and bad. For example this:


I read some of the things you write about senior players at Transfermarkt.de, but not so much.

I think I'll start trying to make time to read your stuff there.

And I have to say that for a management who claims they want to "make their own stars", they always still see too hesitant to give our young players real chances.

I don't know if you ever found time to check out our e-mail list, but I spent a couple of years calling for BVB to give Uwe Hünemeier a chance.

I can't help but think when Klopp said earlier this season that had he known Hünemeier is as good as he is, they might not have made a purchase they did.

I think Klopp meant we would not have bought Subotic. "Officially", he couldn't have meant Santana because Santana was bought before Klopp was "officially" hired.

However, I still believe that news that came out on the 2008 German Cup Final Day was true.

I think BVB and Klopp had a deal then, but didn't want word to get out and Klopp has probably been "in" on BVB operations since then.

But, that's just major speculation on my part.


Back to what you said earlier about only one "talent" of ours having "made it".

I agree with you there. And I believe this goes back to my complete belief that running Bert van Marwijk out of town when we did was a total mistake.

I believe it was van Marwijk's guidance that got Sahin to where he is and one of the better management moves BVB has made in the past ten years was to loan Sahin to Feyenoord, allowing him to spend another season with van Marwijk.

I don't need to tell you that under Bert van Marwijk, players like Sahin, David Odonkor, Markus Brzenska and Martin Amedick all looked as if they would viable Bundesliga talent for us.

But look at what happened to all of them after they were separated from van Marwijk.....

To be honest, I think the worst thing our management team and the idiot fans who railed against him did was run Bert van Marwijk out of town.

The man showed that he indeed knows how to get the best out of young talent and actually improve them.

I like Jürgen Klopp, but my doubts about him being the right man to take this club forward grow by the day.

I've never had confidence in this management team. I'm sorry, but I thought putting Lars Ricken in charge of youth development was a f#cking joke!

I understand why the club wants to take care of "faithful servants" like Zorc and Ricken, but you don't give them two of the most important positions at the club when neither one has shown any proficiency at either job.

As far as Zorc's job, I'd give that to Stefan Reuter and entrust Reuter to make our youth system mirror that of 1860's and Bayern's.

Those two are churning out talent like crazy. Talent that makes it.

But that's all just a dream.........

[Cris 09]

Götze is one of the main reason I will follow the U17 WC closer than I normally would.

[footyfan1]

Götze is one of the main reason I will follow the U17 WC closer than I normally would.


Between you and "smithfan", I'm almost hoping they give him a shot just to see if he's anywhere near ready for the BL.

I don't like pushing kids before they are ready and we have to remember that domination at youth levels doesn't necessarily mean competition at the highest levels.

[Cris 09]

Any word on Götze's injury??