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Chas (Psyatika)
03 Apr 2006, 03:53 PM
I generally try my best to respect the referees' decisions in a match, but you can't get something this wrong and get away with it in my eyes :)

On a Wigan free kick crossed in from the right, about 25 yards from the goal line, every player successfully stays in onside positions. The ball comes off a Blackburn defender's head. It then immediately bounces off a nearby Wigan player's head (or chest, not sure. It was a very fast deflection). The ball bounces toward goal, and the SAME player who the ball bounced off of then runs forward and shoots the ball into the goal.

On the deflection, when the ball touches the Wigan player, everyone is played onside by the second last defender who is near the far post. Even if any of the other players were offside (which they weren't), it would be irrelevent because the Wigan player took the shot from his own deflection, and was given the ball by the Blackburn defender. He was also very clearly not in an offside position before the original free kick, but that is also irrelevent.

I try to defend all calls in matches no matter how i personally feel, but this was just plain wrong.

Officials afterwards said that the Jason Roberts was the player called offside. De Zeeuw (sp?) was the player who got the deflection and scored the goal.

Hopefully they'll show it in the highlights. I've got my DVR ready! EDIT: they didn't show it. The match is being shown again at 8PM, so i scheduled my DVR to record from 8:30 to 9:00 and i'll make the a clip of just the offside in question.

Anyway, i've got 4 matches tonight...better continue getting ready!

Englishref
03 Apr 2006, 04:49 PM
It was a confusing decision. I thought it was given because the AR thought Roberts was interfering with play, but replays showed he was onside when the ball bounced of De Zeeuw.

Rather than the AR flagging incorrectly because De Zeeuw got on the end of a touch by himself, I think he saw the touch, thought he saw Roberts in an offside position, Roberts move towards the ball, so stuck his flag up.

bluedevils
03 Apr 2006, 06:45 PM
Regardless of whether he got the call rightor wrong, the AR should have kept his flag down and stood at attention. Unless I'm forgetting something, that's the correct USSF mechanic for indicating a player other than the goalscorer being guilty of a punishable offside in the AR's opinion.

MassachusettsRef
03 Apr 2006, 06:53 PM
Regardless of whether he got the call rightor wrong, the AR should have kept his flag down and stood at attention. Unless I'm forgetting something, that's the correct USSF mechanic for indicating a player other than the goalscorer being guilty of a punishable offside in the AR's opinion.Remember that the incident being referred to occurred in a match in England.

Englishref
03 Apr 2006, 07:22 PM
Regardless of whether he got the call rightor wrong, the AR should have kept his flag down and stood at attention. Unless I'm forgetting something, that's the correct USSF mechanic for indicating a player other than the goalscorer being guilty of a punishable offside in the AR's opinion.

I've never heard of that, so I can only assume that advice doesn't apply here.

Chas (Psyatika)
03 Apr 2006, 10:34 PM
Alright, i've uploaded it to my website

http://www.refplanet.com/stuff/blk-wig.avi

Right click, save as...probably the easiest way. 3.7MB filesize. Requires DivX codec www.divx.com (http://www.divx.com)

bluedevils
03 Apr 2006, 11:08 PM
Remember that the incident being referred to occurred in a match in England.

Yes, and I know the mechanic I referenced is explained in the USSF ATR. But I thought some of FIFA's recent clarifications on offside made it clear that the flag should not be raised in a situation like this?

Ontario Ref
03 Apr 2006, 11:13 PM
From what I am seeing, the AR calling the second attacker offside for interfering with play. He did, after all, make an attempt to score.

bluedevils
03 Apr 2006, 11:18 PM
This was a tricky call, but not THAT tricky. Situations like this happen pretty frequently. An EPL AR should get those right.

Chas (Psyatika)
03 Apr 2006, 11:36 PM
From what I am seeing, the AR calling the second attacker offside for interfering with play. He did, after all, make an attempt to score.It's true that the second attacker was behind the defender who was marking him. However, look across to the other post, where there is a Blackburn defender playing him clearly onside. No Wigan players are in offside positions at any point during the entire sequence.

Prenn
04 Apr 2006, 04:30 AM
That was a shockingly bad decision, we're seeing a few too many of these at the moment.

Wingdings
04 Apr 2006, 10:21 AM
No Wigan players are in offside positions at any point during the entire sequence.

Yes, I agree. It is a wrong call. The referee didn't have a good game.

Chas (Psyatika)
04 Apr 2006, 12:12 PM
But anyway, even if that second attacker were in an offside position, it's very debatable if the flag should go up for him. De Zeeuw had the ball deflect off of him, and then was the next player to touch the ball (essentially a pass to himself). He could have dribbled up and shot, and it would be the same thing; his teammate has nothing to do with the play and shouldn't (in my opinion) be flagged for offside.

Englishref
04 Apr 2006, 07:51 PM
Yes, I agree. It is a wrong call. The referee didn't have a good game.

It is worrying. Phil Dowd has the Man Utd vs Arsenal game this Sunday - the most volatile fixture of the Premiership season. :eek:

Wingdings
05 Apr 2006, 05:58 AM
It is worrying. Phil Dowd has the Man Utd vs Arsenal game this Sunday - the most volatile fixture of the Premiership season. :eek:

I think he still looks pretty young. How old is he?

Englishref
05 Apr 2006, 07:14 AM
I think he still looks pretty young. How old is he?

He's 43.

Englishref
07 Apr 2006, 09:34 AM
Phil Dowd has been replaced by Graham Poll, as has his ARs with Graham's usual pair.