View Full Version : Last two year results for Italy
HoustonSoccer
30 Mar 2006, 11:34 PM
Just the results of friendlies and qualifiers of Italy and Czech Republic:
Italy (ITA) 4:1 (3:0) Germany (GER)
Friendly 2006 FLORENCE ITALY - 01.03.2006
Côte d'Ivoire (CIV) 1:1 (0:0) Italy (ITA)
Friendly 2005 GENEVA SWITZERLAND - 16.11.2005
Netherlands (NED) 1:3 (1:2) Italy (ITA)
Friendly 2005 AMSTERDAM NETHERLANDS - 12.11.2005
Italy (ITA) 2:1 (0:0) Moldova (MDA)
FIFA WC 2006 Prel. Comp. European Zone LECCE ITALY - 12.10.2005
Italy (ITA) 1:0 (0:0) Slovenia (SVN)
FIFA WC 2006 Prel. Comp. European Zone PALERMO ITALY - 08.10.2005
Belarus (BLR) 1:4 (1:3) Italy (ITA)
FIFA WC 2006 Prel. Comp. European Zone MINSK BELARUS - 07.09.2005
Scotland (SCO) 1:1 (1:0) Italy (ITA)
FIFA WC 2006 Prel. Comp. European Zone GLASGOW SCOTLAND - 03.09.2005
Republic of Ireland (IRL) 1:2 (1:2) Italy (ITA)
Friendly 2005 DUBLIN REPUBLIC OF IRELAND - 17.08.2005
Ecuador (ECU) 1:1 (1:1) Italy (ITA)
Friendly 2005 EAST RUTHERFORD USA - 11.06.2005
Italy (ITA) 1:1 (0:1) Serbia and Montenegro (SCG)
Friendly 2005 TORONTO CANADA - 08.06.2005
Norway (NOR) 0:0 Italy (ITA)
FIFA WC 2006 Prel. Comp. European Zone OSLO NORWAY - 04.06.2005
Italy (ITA) 0:0 Iceland (ISL)
Friendly 2005 PADOVA ITALY - 30.03.2005
Italy (ITA) 2:0 (1:0) Scotland (SCO)
FIFA WC 2006 Prel. Comp. European Zone MILAN ITALY - 26.03.2005
Italy (ITA) 2:0 (0:0) Russia (RUS)
Friendly 2005 CAGLIARI ITALY - 09.02.2005
Italy (ITA) 1:0 (1:0) Finland (FIN)
Friendly 2004 MESSINA ITALY - 17.11.2004
Italy (ITA) 4:3 (2:0) Belarus (BLR)
FIFA WC 2006 Prel. Comp. European Zone PARMA ITALY - 13.10.2004
Slovenia (SVN) 1:0 (0:0) Italy (ITA)
FIFA WC 2006 Prel. Comp. European Zone CELJE SLOVENIA - 09.10.2004
Moldova (MDA) 0:1 (0:1) Italy (ITA)
FIFA WC 2006 Prel. Comp. European Zone CHISINAU MOLDOVA - 08.09.2004
Italy (ITA) 2:1 (1:1) Norway (NOR)
FIFA WC 2006 Prel. Comp. European Zone PALERMO ITALY - 04.09.2004
Iceland (ISL) 2:0 (2:0) Italy (ITA)
Friendly 2004 REYKJAVIK ICELAND - 18.08.2004
Italy (ITA) 2:1 (0:1) Bulgaria (BUL)
UEFA EURO 2004 GUIMARAES PORTUGAL - 22.06.2004
Italy (ITA) 1:1 (1:0) Sweden (SWE)
UEFA EURO 2004 PORTO PORTUGAL - 18.06.2004
Denmark (DEN) 0:0 Italy (ITA)
UEFA EURO 2004 GUIMARAES PORTUGAL - 14.06.2004
Tunisia (TUN) 0:4 (0:2) Italy (ITA)
Friendly 2004 TUNIS TUNISIA - 30.05.2004
Italy (ITA) 1:1 (0:0) Spain (ESP)
Friendly 2004 GENOA ITALY - 28.04.2004
Portugal (POR) 1:2 (1:1) Italy (ITA)
Friendly 2004 BRAGA PORTUGAL - 31.03.2004
Italy (ITA) 2:2 (1:1) Czech Republic (CZE)
Friendly 2004 PALERMO ITALY - 18.02.2004
HoustonSoccer
30 Mar 2006, 11:39 PM
And the results for Czech Republic in the last two years ...
Turkey (TUR) 2:2 (0:1) Czech Republic (CZE)
Friendly 2006 IZMIR TURKEY - 01.03.2006
Czech Republic (CZE) 1:0 (1:0) Norway (NOR)
FIFA WC 2006 Prel. Comp. European Zone PRAGUE CZECH REPUBLIC - 16.11.2005
Norway (NOR) 0:1 (0:1) Czech Republic (CZE)
FIFA WC 2006 Prel. Comp. European Zone OSLO NORWAY - 12.11.2005
Finland (FIN) 0:3 (0:1) Czech Republic (CZE)
FIFA WC 2006 Prel. Comp. European Zone HELSINKI FINLAND - 12.10.2005
Czech Republic (CZE) 0:2 (0:2) Netherlands (NED)
FIFA WC 2006 Prel. Comp. European Zone PRAGUE CZECH REPUBLIC - 08.10.2005
Czech Republic (CZE) 4:1 (0:0) Armenia (ARM)
FIFA WC 2006 Prel. Comp. European Zone OLOMOUC CZECH REPUBLIC - 07.09.2005
Romania (ROU) 2:0 (1:0) Czech Republic (CZE)
FIFA WC 2006 Prel. Comp. European Zone CONSTANTA ROMANIA - 03.09.2005
Sweden (SWE) 2:1 (2:1) Czech Republic (CZE)
Friendly 2005 GOTHENBURG SWEDEN - 17.08.2005
Czech Republic (CZE) 6:1 (2:1) FYR Macedonia (MKD)
FIFA WC 2006 Prel. Comp. European Zone TEPLICE CZECH REPUBLIC - 08.06.2005
Czech Republic (CZE) 8:1 (3:1) Andorra (AND)
FIFA WC 2006 Prel. Comp. European Zone LIBEREC CZECH REPUBLIC - 04.06.2005
Andorra (AND) 0:4 (0:2) Czech Republic (CZE)
FIFA WC 2006 Prel. Comp. European Zone ANDORRA LA VELLA ANDORRA - 30.03.2005
Czech Republic (CZE) 4:3 (2:0) Finland (FIN)
FIFA WC 2006 Prel. Comp. European Zone TEPLICE CZECH REPUBLIC - 26.03.2005
Slovenia (SVN) 0:3 (0:1) Czech Republic (CZE)
Friendly 2005 CELJE SLOVENIA - 09.02.2005
FYR Macedonia (MKD) 0:2 (0:0) Czech Republic (CZE)
FIFA WC 2006 Prel. Comp. European Zone SKOPJE FYR MACEDONIA - 17.11.2004
Armenia (ARM) 0:3 (0:2) Czech Republic (CZE)
FIFA WC 2006 Prel. Comp. European Zone YEREVAN ARMENIA - 13.10.2004
Czech Republic (CZE) 1:0 (1:0) Romania (ROU)
FIFA WC 2006 Prel. Comp. European Zone PRAGUE CZECH REPUBLIC - 09.10.2004
Netherlands (NED) 2:0 (1:0) Czech Republic (CZE)
FIFA WC 2006 Prel. Comp. European Zone AMSTERDAM NETHERLANDS - 08.09.2004
Czech Republic (CZE) 0:0 Greece (GRE)
Friendly 2004 PRAGUE CZECH REPUBLIC - 18.08.2004
Greece (GRE) 1:0 a.e.t. (0:0) Czech Republic (CZE)
UEFA EURO 2004 PORTO PORTUGAL - 01.07.2004
Czech Republic (CZE) 3:0 (0:0) Denmark (DEN)
UEFA EURO 2004 PORTO PORTUGAL - 27.06.2004
Germany (GER) 1:2 (1:1) Czech Republic (CZE)
UEFA EURO 2004 LISBON PORTUGAL - 23.06.2004
Netherlands (NED) 2:3 (2:1) Czech Republic (CZE)
UEFA EURO 2004 AVEIRO PORTUGAL - 19.06.2004
Czech Republic (CZE) 2:1 (0:1) Latvia (LVA)
UEFA EURO 2004 AVEIRO PORTUGAL - 15.06.2004
Czech Republic (CZE) 2:0 (2:0) Estonia (EST)
Friendly 2004 TEPLICE CZECH REPUBLIC - 06.06.2004
Czech Republic (CZE) 3:1 (0:0) Bulgaria (BUL)
Friendly 2004 PRAGUE CZECH REPUBLIC - 02.06.2004
Czech Republic (CZE) 0:1 (0:1) Japan (JPN)
Friendly 2004 PRAGUE CZECH REPUBLIC - 28.04.2004
Republic of Ireland (IRL) 2:1 (0:0) Czech Republic (CZE)
Friendly 2004 DUBLIN REPUBLIC OF IRELAND - 31.03.2004
Italy (ITA) 2:2 (1:1) Czech Republic (CZE)
Friendly 2004 PALERMO ITALY - 18.02.2004
Caesar
30 Mar 2006, 11:40 PM
Are you going to provide any number-crunching or analysis, or just copy-and-paste stuff from the FIFA website?
HoustonSoccer
30 Mar 2006, 11:45 PM
Are you going to provide any number-crunching or analysis, or just copy-and-paste stuff from the FIFA website?
FIFA already does the number crunching, figured we take a look at the games FIFA uses to crunch them. Again looking at the result, no teams in the group are as dominant as they may appear.
HoustonSoccer
30 Mar 2006, 11:48 PM
..well here is USA ...
Germany (GER) 4:1 (0:0) USA (USA)
Friendly 2006 DORTMUND GERMANY - 22.03.2006
USA (USA) 1:0 (0:0) Poland (POL)
Friendly 2006 KAISERSLAUTERN GERMANY - 01.03.2006
USA (USA) 4:0 (2:0) Guatemala (GUA)
Friendly 2006 FRISCO USA - 19.02.2006
USA (USA) 3:2 (2:0) Japan (JPN)
Friendly 2006 SAN FRANCISCO USA - 10.02.2006
USA (USA) 5:0 (2:0) Norway (NOR)
Friendly 2006 CARSON/LOS ANGELES USA - 29.01.2006
USA (USA) 0:0 Canada (CAN)
Friendly 2006 SAN DIEGO USA - 22.01.2006
Scotland (SCO) 1:1 (1:1) USA (USA)
Friendly 2005 GLASGOW SCOTLAND - 12.11.2005
USA (USA) 2:0 (0:0) Panama (PAN)
FIFA WC 2006 Prel. Comp. CONCACAF Zone FOXBORO/BOSTON USA - 12.10.2005
Costa Rica (CRC) 3:0 (1:0) USA (USA)
FIFA WC 2006 Prel. Comp. CONCACAF Zone SAN JOSE COSTA RICA - 08.10.2005
Guatemala (GUA) 0:0 USA (USA)
FIFA WC 2006 Prel. Comp. CONCACAF Zone GUATEMALA CITY GUATEMALA - 07.09.2005
USA (USA) 2:0 (0:0) Mexico (MEX)
FIFA WC 2006 Prel. Comp. CONCACAF Zone COLUMBUS USA - 03.09.2005
USA (USA) 1:0 (1:0) Trinidad and Tobago (TRI)
FIFA WC 2006 Prel. Comp. CONCACAF Zone HARTFORD USA - 17.08.2005
USA (USA) 0:0 a.e.t. 3:1PSO Panama (PAN)
CONCACAF Gold Cup 2005 USA NEW YORK/NEW JERSEY USA - 24.07.2005
Honduras (HON) 1:2 (1:0) USA (USA)
CONCACAF Gold Cup 2005 USA EAST RUTHERFORD USA - 21.07.2005
USA (USA) 3:1 (2:0) Jamaica (JAM)
CONCACAF Gold Cup 2005 USA FOXBORO/BOSTON USA - 16.07.2005
USA (USA) 0:0 Costa Rica (CRC)
CONCACAF Gold Cup 2005 USA FOXBORO/BOSTON USA - 12.07.2005
USA (USA) 2:0 (0:0) Canada (CAN)
CONCACAF Gold Cup 2005 USA SEATTLE USA - 09.07.2005
Cuba (CUB) 1:4 (1:1) USA (USA)
CONCACAF Gold Cup 2005 USA SEATTLE USA - 07.07.2005
Panama (PAN) 0:3 (0:3) USA (USA)
FIFA WC 2006 Prel. Comp. CONCACAF Zone PANAMA CITY PANAMA - 08.06.2005
USA (USA) 3:0 (1:0) Costa Rica (CRC)
FIFA WC 2006 Prel. Comp. CONCACAF Zone SALT LAKE CITY USA - 04.06.2005
USA (USA) 1:2 (0:2) England (ENG)
Friendly 2005 CHICAGO USA - 28.05.2005
USA (USA) 2:0 (1:0) Guatemala (GUA)
FIFA WC 2006 Prel. Comp. CONCACAF Zone BIRMINGHAM, AL USA - 30.03.2005
Mexico (MEX) 2:1 (2:0) USA (USA)
FIFA WC 2006 Prel. Comp. CONCACAF Zone MEXICO CITY MEXICO - 27.03.2005
USA (USA) 1:0 (1:0) Honduras (HON)
Friendly 2005 ALBUQUERQUE USA - 19.03.2005
USA (USA) 3:0 (2:0) Colombia (COL)
Friendly 2005 FULLERTON USA - 09.03.2005
Trinidad and Tobago (TRI) 1:2 (0:1) USA (USA)
FIFA WC 2006 Prel. Comp. CONCACAF Zone PORT OF SPAIN TRINIDAD AND TOBAGO - 09.02.2005
USA (USA) 1:1 (1:1) Jamaica (JAM)
FIFA WC 2006 Prel. Comp. CONCACAF Zone COLUMBUS USA - 17.11.2004
USA (USA) 6:0 (1:0) Panama (PAN)
FIFA WC 2006 Prel. Comp. CONCACAF Zone WASHINGTON DC USA - 13.10.2004
El Salvador (SLV) 0:2 (0:1) USA (USA)
FIFA WC 2006 Prel. Comp. CONCACAF Zone SAN SALVADOR EL SALVADOR - 09.10.2004
Panama (PAN) 1:1 (0:0) USA (USA)
FIFA WC 2006 Prel. Comp. CONCACAF Zone PANAMA CITY PANAMA - 08.09.2004
HoustonSoccer
30 Mar 2006, 11:51 PM
From the results on any given day, almost any team can beat the other. There does not seem to be an overwhelming dominance of any one team amonst CR, Italy and USA!!
Caesar
30 Mar 2006, 11:58 PM
FIFA already does the number crunching, figured we take a look at the games FIFA uses to crunch them. Again looking at the result, no teams in the group are as dominant as they may appear.
But you've provided nothing of value. Anyone can go to the exact same webpage you did and look at the exact same results that you've copied and pasted. It's not even as if you got them from an obscure source.
Now for example if you did a bit of analysis on who has beaten whom and what that potentially means, or compiled some statistics of a nature different to the ones that are available then I wouldn't have an issue with this thread. But you're just regurgitating massive slabs of data that anyone with an IQ above room temperature can locate themselves.
Caesar
30 Mar 2006, 11:58 PM
There does not seem to be an overwhelming dominance of any one team amonst CR, Italy and USA!! Did you even read what you just posted?
HoustonSoccer
31 Mar 2006, 12:05 AM
It would appear reading many of the posts, people seem to have a foggy idea of what really happens on the field. And it would appear from the discussions not many go and look at these data's, although they at one's finger tips.
Like I said, FIFA does the number crunching - all I have done is put a sample of what they are based on.
Looking at the results - Italy does not appear to be as dominant as many would think. And likewise it is the same for CR and even USA. So, instead of spinning our wheels on who is better or who is worst we might look at what are the strategies each time may apply during the WC.
Again, everyone has an opinion that is why we come here to share them.
Caesar
31 Mar 2006, 12:23 AM
Looking at the results - Italy does not appear to be as dominant as many would think. And likewise it is the same for CR and even USA. But see, even the data you posted doesn't support that. Italy hasn't lost a match in a year and a half. The Czech Republic has something like a 22-1-3 match record since the start of Euro2004. If that's not dominant, I'd like to know what is.
The US has a pretty strong W-D-L record as well - however wheras UEFA is easily the strongest confederation in the world, CONCACAF is... not. They have played significantly fewer matches against quality opposition (3 teams who will be in Germany) than either Italy (9) or Czech Republic (6), and the average quality of their opposition has also been significantly lower. Consequently their dominance, while impressive, means far less than that of Italy and the Czech Republic who have been more severely tested and come out on top.
(PS - for future reference, that's called analysis.)
HoustonSoccer
31 Mar 2006, 12:34 AM
But see, even the data you posted doesn't support that. Italy hasn't lost a match in a year and a half. The Czech Republic has something like a 22-1-3 match record since the start of Euro2004. If that's not dominant, I'd like to know what is.
The US has a pretty strong W-D-L record as well - however wheras UEFA is easily the strongest confederation in the world, CONCACAF is... not. They have played significantly fewer matches against quality opposition (3 teams who will be in Germany) than either Italy (9) or Czech Republic (6), and the average quality of their opposition has also been significantly lower. Consequently their dominance, while impressive, means far less than that of Italy and the Czech Republic who have been more severely tested and come out on top.
(PS - for future reference, that's called analysis.)
An unscientific analysis at best!! But you are entitled to your opinions. FIFA does degrade contests besides that of UEFA for other regions. You can easily read up their methodology, as I already have.
Caesar
31 Mar 2006, 12:39 AM
An unscientific analysis at best!! But you are entitled to your opinions. FIFA does degrade contests besides that of UEFA for other regions. You can easily read up their methodology, as I already have. :confused: I'm perfectly familiar with FIFA's ranking system, however it has nothing to do with anything I posted.
If you would like to point out any factual inaccuracies in anything I posted, disagree with my opinion by providing reasons or provide any sort of rationale to back up your absurd statements like "Italy isn't dominant", I'm happy to discuss them. But all you've done so far is:
a) Cut and paste a whole lot of data
b) Made an outlandish statement
and made no attempt to link them.
HoustonSoccer
31 Mar 2006, 12:58 AM
:confused: I'm perfectly familiar with FIFA's ranking system, however it has nothing to do with anything I posted.
If you would like to point out any factual inaccuracies in anything I posted, disagree with my opinion by providing reasons or provide any sort of rationale to back up your absurd statements like "Italy isn't dominant", I'm happy to discuss them. But all you've done so far is:
a) Cut and paste a whole lot of data
b) Made an outlandish statement
and made no attempt to link them.
In order for you to provide a scientific analysis you need to provide a sound methodology. What you expressed is your opinions, and you are entitled to them. You can paste your ideas of a dominant team and I may or may not agree with them.
Again, the strategies each team employ at the WC will quite different then they do in friendlies or even qualifiers. FIFA degrades friendlies over qualifiers. And then just because a team belongs does not mean it is a good team. There are many European teams that are quite weak. Likewise there are such teams on all conferences.
As far as strategies, coaches employ many different formations, and combination of players in each competition. At times to negate the advantages of one team over another, at other times to leverage their own strengths. If each game in the WC was based on past analysis then the results for every game should be quite predictable.
Yet, in 2002 - Mexico tied Italy then lost to USA. Italy lost to S. Korea. In each case, there was a great deal of strategy involved that had a greater bearing on the game then past history.
Those discussions are of more interest and revealing then any past results.
- bye!!
Caesar
31 Mar 2006, 01:06 AM
Again, the strategies each team employ at the WC will quite different then they do in friendlies or even qualifiers. FIFA degrades friendlies over qualifiers. And then just because a team belongs does not mean it is a good team. There are many European teams that are quite weak. Likewise there are such teams on all conferences.
As far as strategies, coaches employ many different formations, and combination of players in each competition. At times to negate the advantages of one team over another, at other times to leverage their own strengths. If each game in the WC was based on past analysis then the results for every game should be quite predictable. Right. So you posted a massive slab of results, followed it up with a claim that they show there is little to differentiate between the teams, and are now backtracking and saying that these records are essentially meaningless?
You're not very good at this.
HoustonSoccer
01 Apr 2006, 12:04 AM
You're not very good at this.
I try not to be. Just exchange information and form opinions.
Regency
01 Apr 2006, 10:36 AM
Wow....:eek:
I'd like the last 2 minutes of my life back
redtyre
02 Apr 2006, 06:37 PM
It's good to post this info; that FIFA site gets busy sometimes; my home computer isn't so hot, sometimes I have to use a library one to get data.
OCKlinsmann
06 Apr 2006, 07:30 PM
The Czech Republic has something like a 22-1-3 match record since the start of Euro2004. If that's not dominant, I'd like to know what is.
Czech v Netherlands 0 - 2, 0 - 2
Czech v Romania 1 - 0, 0 - 2
4 games against best two teams in the qualifying group;
3 losses
6 goals conceded
1 goal scored
On a different note....here's how the Czech's fared against minnows
1. Andorra (pop. 70,549): 8 - 1, 4 - 0
2. Macedonia: 6 - 1 , 2 - 0
3. Armenia: 4 - 1, 3 - 0
Net: 27 goals scored
they sure kicked the crap out of Andorra, but I don't think the Czech's have a good record against quality teams since Euro 2004.
midknight
15 Apr 2006, 03:02 AM
Czech v Netherlands 0 - 2, 0 - 2
Czech v Romania 1 - 0, 0 - 2
4 games against best two teams in the qualifying group;
3 losses
6 goals conceded
1 goal scored
On a different note....here's how the Czech's fared against minnows
1. Andorra (pop. 70,549): 8 - 1, 4 - 0
2. Macedonia: 6 - 1 , 2 - 0
3. Armenia: 4 - 1, 3 - 0
Net: 27 goals scored
they sure kicked the crap out of Andorra, but I don't think the Czech's have a good record against quality teams since Euro 2004.
well just pray that Nedved continues not to play right? :rolleyes: Bear in mind that since the Euro they've played exactly 2 matches with him: the scores 1-0 and 1-0. the opponent? Norway