Political Argument Arena!!!

[colinh9]

When I wrote to true-faith I told them that picking between Big Sam and Roeder was like choosing Bush vs Hillary. Both ********ing weasels. However, that isn't to say I don't think Bush has led one of the worst administrations I know of.

Now(on Iraq):
I believe artificial timetables of withdrawal would be a mistake. … I will strongly reject an artificial timetable withdrawal and/or Washington politicians trying to tell those who wear the uniform how to do their job. [President Bush, 4/23/07]

********ing congress thinking they can make decisions on war. What a horrible violation of the constitution.

And then(on kosovo):
“I think it’s also important for the president to lay out a timetable as to how long they will be involved and when they will be withdrawn.”

6/5/99

Haha, cracks me up every time.

[ToonUSA]

The thing that cracks me up is that you apparently can't distinguish between Iraq and Kosovo.

[Dirt McGirt]

The thing that cracks me up is that you apparently can't distinguish between Iraq and Kosovo.He's pointing out the contradiction in Bush's policies with his campaign promises. He said those things about Kosovo and does the exact opposite with Iraq.

[tigerdave]

********ing congress thinking they can make decisions on war. What a horrible violation of the constitution.

Until Bush secured the authority to declare war, Congress actually had that authority. Of course, that's really splitting hairs, because the president could always just call it a 'military operation' rather than a war, and do whatever the hell he wanted.

At any rate, I'm torn in my opinion on what to do in Iraq, honestly. I think that no matter how long we're there, if the people oppose the government we're trying to install, it'll crumble shortly after we leave no matter when that is, unless we create a giant wall around the country and then root out the insurgents that way. But then you have East Berlin all over again, in a sense.

I'm all for supporting the troops and getting the guys who pulled off 9/11, but the truth is there are very little Al-Qaeda folk actually in Iraq. We're only there because someone had a hunch that Saddam was involved somehow, and I think we can all pretty much agree that was not the case.

And, Travis, I am a registered Republican, even though my conflicted viewpoint might cause you to think otherwise.

[ToonUSA]

He's pointing out the contradiction in Bush's policies with his campaign promises. He said those things about Kosovo and does the exact opposite with Iraq.

I know what he was trying to do, it just doesn't make sense as Kosovo and Iraq and 2 completely seperate incidents. Kosovo was more of an intervention, we full on invaded Iraq for a reason. War and intervention 2 very, very different things.

[ToonUSA]

At any rate, I'm torn in my opinion on what to do in Iraq, honestly. I think that no matter how long we're there, if the people oppose the government we're trying to install, it'll crumble shortly after we leave no matter when that is, unless we create a giant wall around the country and then root out the insurgents that way. But then you have East Berlin all over again, in a sense.
I think for the most part the people support the democracy cause, but it's the minority blowing up shit. Once we can get the Iraqis to police themselves I think it will be fine. Patience is what we need...

I'm all for supporting the troops and getting the guys who pulled off 9/11, but the truth is there are very little Al-Qaeda folk actually in Iraq. We're only there because someone had a hunch that Saddam was involved somehow, and I think we can all pretty much agree that was not the case.
I still maintain it wasn't a bad idea to go into Iraq. It would take a pretty bias person to say at the point when we invaded Iraq after 9/11 they didnt think Saddam was in any way connected. I still think he was funding Al Qaeda but we can't really prove it. Just to me, it doesn't seem to farfetched to think he was in on it.

Not to mention the main positive is Saddam is out of power right now...



And, Travis, I am a registered Republican, even though my conflicted viewpoint might cause you to think otherwise.[/QUOTE]

[Dirt McGirt]

War and intervention 2 very, very different things.
What do Korea, Vietnam, Kosovo, Iraq, and Grenada have in common?

[Dirt McGirt]

http://www.bigsoccer.com/forum/showthread.php?p=11528486#post11528486

[ToonUSA]

http://www.bigsoccer.com/forum/showthread.php?p=11528486#post11528486

Welcome to the world of the Bigsoccer politics board. Run by liberals for liberals. The only alarming thing is that some people try and portray liberals as "nice" in other realms of society. All I have to do is show them the posts of them wanting to see him "soil himself" and berating a dead American hero...

[ToonUSA]

What do Korea, Vietnam, Kosovo, Iraq, and Grenada have in common?

What's that Jay?

[JaredSS07]

Did anyone watch the Republican CNN-YouTube debate? Any thoughts?

[colinh9]

Did anyone watch the Republican CNN-YouTube debate? Any thoughts?

Briefly, but I was disgusted by it. Romney is a complete weasel, his dodging of the waterboarding issue was quite frustrating, and McCain speaking about how our new strategy in Iraq is working was amusing. Fact is, violence has gone down a lot in the past few months. That isn't because we are doing our job, rather the fact that the Sunni minorities are all refugees now and violence against them is impossible when they aren't living there anymore. Furthermore, the reluctance to admit that our presence there is only creating more terrorists is shocking. McCain's quote from Bin Laden and others about if we leave they will declare victory is beyond hysterical. Does he not realize that factions in Iraq have declared they hate Al-Qaeda and have even further declared them an enemy? Iraqis don't want Bin Laden in their country by any means, in fact the idea disgusts them. Ron Paul was flustered when asked about the issue but he is the only one who really knows how to deal with this situation. For me, the United States is no longer a legitimate force in this area, and we must remove forces and create a federalist system(which Iraqis have also shown they want, in their own Congress mind you). If we give them back their country it will be far more conducive to our "War On Terror."

The retired gay man from the army was quite depressing. Here he has given 43 years of his life to his country and these politicians can't even say they are sorry for a system that is completely hateful and bigoted. Their only response is "this system seems to be working." Just because there are homophobic people in the military.

Rudy is a complete moron when it comes to foreign policy. "We want to offend the Islamic terrorists." Hmm, yes brilliant. We need to stay on the "offensive," against terrorism. How is it that people don't realize that invading foreign countries and imposing ourselves upon them does not stop terrorism, rather fuels it?

The man might have done a good job in NYC but it was at the expense of the less fortunate so he doesn't get my approval on that either.

Huckabee is a piece of shit, I don't even think I need to get into that. The whole bit on "Do you believe everything in the Bible," question was just stupid and of course it got stupid responses.

I shut it off after that basically. I heard the questioning on abortion but none of the answers came as surprises.

Basically, any republican that gets nominated is going to be a complete moron and I just have to hope the American public sees that. They didn't do it with GWB though so who is to say they will do it now.

[JaredSS07]

Briefly, but I was disgusted by it. Romney is a complete weasel, his dodging of the waterboarding issue was quite frustrating, and McCain speaking about how our new strategy in Iraq is working was amusing. Fact is, violence has gone down a lot in the past few months. That isn't because we are doing our job, rather the fact that the Sunni minorities are all refugees now and violence against them is impossible when they aren't living there anymore. Furthermore, the reluctance to admit that our presence there is only creating more terrorists is shocking. McCain's quote from Bin Laden and others about if we leave they will declare victory is beyond hysterical. Does he not realize that factions in Iraq have declared they hate Al-Qaeda and have even further declared them an enemy? Iraqis don't want Bin Laden in their country by any means, in fact the idea disgusts them. Ron Paul was flustered when asked about the issue but he is the only one who really knows how to deal with this situation. For me, the United States is no longer a legitimate force in this area, and we must remove forces and create a federalist system(which Iraqis have also shown they want, in their own Congress mind you). If we give them back their country it will be far more conducive to our "War On Terror."

The retired gay man from the army was quite depressing. Here he has given 43 years of his life to his country and these politicians can't even say they are sorry for a system that is completely hateful and bigoted. Their only response is "this system seems to be working." Just because there are homophobic people in the military.

Rudy is a complete moron when it comes to foreign policy. "We want to offend the Islamic terrorists." Hmm, yes brilliant. We need to stay on the "offensive," against terrorism. How is it that people don't realize that invading foreign countries and imposing ourselves upon them does not stop terrorism, rather fuels it?

The man might have done a good job in NYC but it was at the expense of the less fortunate so he doesn't get my approval on that either.

Huckabee is a piece of shit, I don't even think I need to get into that. The whole bit on "Do you believe everything in the Bible," question was just stupid and of course it got stupid responses.

I shut it off after that basically. I heard the questioning on abortion but none of the answers came as surprises.

Basically, any republican that gets nominated is going to be a complete moron and I just have to hope the American public sees that. They didn't do it with GWB though so who is to say they will do it now.

So beyond the fact that you hate all living Republicans, what did you think of Fred Thompson?

[Toon³]

It makes me laugh that what is considered Liberal in the US is considered Conservative in Europe :D

[Dirt McGirt]

Basically, any republican that gets nominated is going to be a complete moron and I just have to hope the American public sees that. They didn't do it with GWB though so who is to say they will do it now. Let's hope America wakes up.

[colinh9]

So beyond the fact that you hate all living Republicans, what did you think of Fred Thompson?

I think his foreign policy would be a disaster and I'm not sure he is suited to be commander in chief. I think what we do in the Middle East in the next 5 years is going to be essential to our survival as a nation. I don't want to sound like a nut here but I truly believe that if we over-extend ourselves into Iran we will find ourselves in a lot of trouble as a country. If this were the 50s we'd be a lot better off because there are a ton of Iranians who do want to westernize, and we could just organize a coup.

Plus the man said the solar system is warming and not the earth. Get a clue, the earth is certainly warming. Although I do believe the repercussions are seriously overstated. I heard someone tell me that the oceans would rise 100 feet in the next 20 years yesterday. I don't even want to know where he is getting his information but that is beyond stupid.

Obviously, him being a Republican will naturally lead to me disagreeing with him on most issues. I can't really see him winning any primaries either. He built up a lot of steam before he decided to announce his presidency but I think it is starting to diminish. Could very likely be wrong though.

[JaredSS07]

I think his foreign policy would be a disaster and I'm not sure he is suited to be commander in chief. I think what we do in the Middle East in the next 5 years is going to be essential to our survival as a nation. I don't want to sound like a nut here but I truly believe that if we over-extend ourselves into Iran we will find ourselves in a lot of trouble as a country. If this were the 50s we'd be a lot better off because there are a ton of Iranians who do want to westernize, and we could just organize a coup.

Plus the man said the solar system is warming and not the earth. Get a clue, the earth is certainly warming. Although I do believe the repercussions are seriously overstated. I heard someone tell me that the oceans would rise 100 feet in the next 20 years yesterday. I don't even want to know where he is getting his information but that is beyond stupid.

Obviously, him being a Republican will naturally lead to me disagreeing with him on most issues. I can't really see him winning any primaries either. He built up a lot of steam before he decided to announce his presidency but I think it is starting to diminish. Could very likely be wrong though.

So what Demo do you like?

[ToonUSA]

Briefly, but I was disgusted by it. Romney is a complete weasel, his dodging of the waterboarding issue was quite frustrating, and McCain speaking about how our new strategy in Iraq is working was amusing. Fact is, violence has gone down a lot in the past few months. That isn't because we are doing our job, rather the fact that the Sunni minorities are all refugees now and violence against them is impossible when they aren't living there anymore. Furthermore, the reluctance to admit that our presence there is only creating more terrorists is shocking. McCain's quote from Bin Laden and others about if we leave they will declare victory is beyond hysterical. Does he not realize that factions in Iraq have declared they hate Al-Qaeda and have even further declared them an enemy? Iraqis don't want Bin Laden in their country by any means, in fact the idea disgusts them. Ron Paul was flustered when asked about the issue but he is the only one who really knows how to deal with this situation. For me, the United States is no longer a legitimate force in this area, and we must remove forces and create a federalist system(which Iraqis have also shown they want, in their own Congress mind you). If we give them back their country it will be far more conducive to our "War On Terror."
Wow. Talk about missing the point.

Rudy is a complete moron when it comes to foreign policy. "We want to offend the Islamic terrorists." Hmm, yes brilliant. We need to stay on the "offensive," against terrorism. How is it that people don't realize that invading foreign countries and imposing ourselves upon them does not stop terrorism, rather fuels it?
You can't be serious here can you? You think sitting on our hands and letting the hornets nest fester will make it better? Brilliant.

Basically, any republican that gets nominated is going to be a complete moron and I just have to hope the American public sees that. They didn't do it with GWB though so who is to say they will do it now.
The funny thing is these Republican "morons" will wipe the floor with either your precious Hillary or Obama. It's a sad state of affairs in American politics, but the only thing scarier than a bad Republican in the White House is HRC.

She's the one that will bring us down for good.

[BayernWake]

I don't understand why so many Republicans in the American public are so afraid of Hillary being elected. There's NO WAY IN HELL she'd ever be elected. I just can't imagine it, but apparently Republicans are deathly afraid of her, and that just blows my mind.

Firstly, half of America is conservative and therefore automatically would never choose her. Secondly, there's no way the ENTIRE liberal half of America would vote for a woman. Sorry, it's true. I could see her winning California and New England. But that's it, even if she were actually a good candidate, she still has a uterus (I think).

Living in Europe has just reinforced my belief that our two-party system is mind-numbingly stupid. One shite-Republican candidate in 2008 vs. one other shite-Democrat. Brilliant.

[BayernWake]

Also, global warming is a joke. Like colinh said, it's severely exaggerated. I'm all for protecting our environment and using fuel efficient cars and such. But I'm tired of these doomsday stories, e.g. islands disappearing, half of Holland flooding, polar bears drowning and eating each other, vampire moths migrating to Finland, the earth exploding, etc.