Political Argument Arena!!!

[Dirt McGirt]

So what are you against religion? Why is it bad that a guy incorporates his beliefs into his everyday life?
I'm not against religion. I'm a spirtual person. However to incorporate your beliefs in your daily life is one thing to say God told you to invade two countrys and cause the deaths of tens of thousands of people is whole seperate issue. That would essence make it a holy war we're waging , a crusade, I just don't like the sound of that in American politics.

I thought our society was a secular one based on the seperation of church and state? It just seems to be further evidence of the erosion of the constitution that has occured under this administration.

For the record as a former veteren and a native New Yorker I was 100% behind Bush's decision to attack the Taliban and Bin Laden and I stand 100% in opposition to the war in Iraq.

[ToonUSA]

I'm not against religion. I'm a spirtual person. However to incorporate your beliefs in your daily life is one thing to say God told you to invade two countrys and cause the deaths of tens of thousands of people is whole seperate issue. That would essence make it a holy war we're waging , a crusade, I just don't like the sound of that in American politics.
He didn't exactly say God told him to do it. He said God would have said something along those lines. I would happen to agree with him.

Eye for an Eye.


I thought our society was a secular one based on the seperation of church and state? It just seems to be further evidence of the erosion of the constitution that has occured under this administration.
Why is it that anytime religion is mentioned people flip out. The whole world would be a real ********ed up place without religion.

This country was founded largely by Christian ideals and to try to omitt them from everyday life is really wrong in my opinion. Not to mention that a majority of the population is Christian and to say a Christian country, with Chrisitan people should eliminate Christianity from everyday life is wrong.

For the record as a former veteren and a native New Yorker I was 100% behind Bush's decision to attack the Taliban and Bin Laden and I stand 100% in opposition to the war in Iraq.

Dear lord.

Do you get the NY Times delivered right to your doorstep or do you have an online subscription? :rolleyes:

So why were you for Afghanistan but not Iraq?

[SirManchester]

Ommitting religion from everyday life is wrong, but what I think is being said here is that our government shouldn't incorporate religion into what they're doing to such an extent, and have it reflected in their policies [which have failed ontop of all things].

After 9/11, the invasion of Afghanistan was justified because the Bush administration had the majority of the country believe that it's where all terrorists are harbored. And that was ok, because they were the primary target, however, going from there to Sadam and Iraq is a complete tangent, even Bush and his cronies have admitted it.

[ToonUSA]

Ommitting religion from everyday life is wrong, but what I think is being said here is that our government shouldn't incorporate religion into what they're doing to such an extent, and have it reflected in their policies [which have failed ontop of all things].
Where was it said that our policies are being made by God? Bush was stating what he said he thought God would have said to him.

After 9/11, the invasion of Afghanistan was justified because the Bush administration had the majority of the country believe that it's where all terrorists are harbored. And that was ok, because they were the primary target, however, going from there to Sadam and Iraq is a complete tangent, even Bush and his cronies have admitted it.
Even if you don't agree with the means of going to Iraq you can't disagree that they result has been a good one.

[SirManchester]

Where was it said that our policies are being made by God? Bush was stating what he said he thought God would have said to him.

I'm sorry but even relating an issue such as a full blown military invasion to God, is uncalled for. It's not in the best interest of Americans or this country's politics. I can't see any logic behind this move other than to support the religious right and drive home this agenda, or to propose a so called "holy war".

Even if you don't agree with the means of going to Iraq you can't disagree that they result has been a good one.

Can't say I agree, the initial mistake was bad enough and shouldn't be forgotten. And no matter what you might think, the country is worse off now than it was prior to invasion. The Civil War and its consequences have so far had far worse outcomes for its people than anything Sadam enforced before.

[ToonUSA]

I'm sorry but even relating an issue such as a full blown military invasion to God, is uncalled for. It's not in the best interest of Americans or this country's politics. I can't see any logic behind this move other than to support the religious right and drive home this agenda, or to propose a so called "holy war".
Maybe he's just stating what he believes? In fact, that's exactly what he is doing. He's not trying to play to some audience.


Can't say I agree, the initial mistake was bad enough and shouldn't be forgotten. And no matter what you might think, the country is worse off now than it was prior to invasion. The Civil War and its consequences have so far had far worse outcomes for its people than anything Sadam enforced before.
Worse off? Are you aware of who Saddam Hussein was? Do you know what he was known for?

He would go to the villages and round up all the women. Then he would beat or kill the men. I wonder what he would do with the women. :rolleyes:

Sounds like a stand up guy.

Civil War! Ha that's a good one. Funny how only left wing media has been purporting his "Civil War."

[SirManchester]

Maybe he's just stating what he believes? In fact, that's exactly what he is doing. He's not trying to play to some audience.

Of course he is, any propaganda scholar can tell you exactly what he's doing with this religious agenda


Worse off? Are you aware of who Saddam Hussein was? Do you know what he was known for?

He would go to the villages and round up all the women. Then he would beat or kill the men. I wonder what he would do with the women. :rolleyes:

Sounds like a stand up guy.

Civil War! Ha that's a good one. Funny how only left wing media has been purporting his "Civil War."

There's nothing left wing about this, I'm being as objective as possible. I for one use international news sources and it's clearer day by day that the country is in absolute chaos. The U.S.' provisional government is an absolute joke, and the people there couldn't be more miserable.

[ToonUSA]

There's nothing left wing about this, I'm being as objective as possible. I for one use international news sources and it's clearer day by day that the country is in absolute chaos. The U.S.' provisional government is an absolute joke, and the people there couldn't be more miserable.

There is alot of violence and blood shed but the term Civil War is wrong.

The US can only do so much in terms of getting a Government up and running in Iraq. If the citizens can't agree how the hell are we supposed to help them?

[SirManchester]

There is alot of violence and blood shed but the term Civil War is wrong.

The US can only do so much in terms of getting a Government up and running in Iraq. If the citizens can't agree how the hell are we supposed to help them?

Look, Iraq is made of several seperatist groups, of different religious beliefs, and this has been so for hundreds of years. I have no idea what the U.S. will propose to do about this, nor do I think they will succeed at this (which makes their presence there all the more useless). The only form of government keeping such a society in place is a one-man government or a totalitarian government. It's very unfortunate, but that's the truth, now things will spiral even more out of control, and the U.S. isn't even tackling the real problem - which is consequently religion in Iraq.

[ToonUSA]

Look, Iraq is made of several seperatist groups, of different religious beliefs, and this has been so for hundreds of years. I have no idea what the U.S. will propose to do about this, nor do I think they will succeed at this (which makes their presence there all the more useless). The only form of government keeping such a society in place is a one-man government or a totalitarian government. It's very unfortunate, but that's the truth, now things will spiral even more out of control, and the U.S. isn't even tackling the real problem - which is consequently religion in Iraq.
How do you suppose the US cure religious sectarianism in Iraq?

[SirManchester]

How do you suppose the US cure religious sectarianism in Iraq?

They won't because 1. it's none of their business and 2. they wouldn't know where to start.

And to sum it up, they shouldn't be there in the first place.

[ToonUSA]

They won't because 1. it's none of their business and 2. they wouldn't know where to start.

And to sum it up, they shouldn't be there in the first place.
So basically, you are one of those that loves to draw attention to problems and has no solution for said problem.

[BayernWake]

So basically, you are one of those that loves to draw attention to problems and has no solution for said problem.

I don't think there's something necessarily wrong with this.

[SirManchester]

So basically, you are one of those that loves to draw attention to problems and has no solution for said problem.

not neccessarily, I'm just no expert in Middle Eastern affairs, and neither is any American that has been and is involved there.

[ToonUSA]

I just had the misfortune of stumbling upon the trailer for the Dixie Chicks movie.

Absolutely enraging.

[Dirt McGirt]

I just had the misfortune of stumbling upon the trailer for the Dixie Chicks movie.

Absolutely enraging.
Why?

[BayernWake]

I didn't even know they had a movie.

[Dirt McGirt]

I didn't even know they had a movie.
I wonder what it could be about?

[Rick B]

I wonder what it could be about?

Can you stop posting on this thread please - it keeps appearing in my subscribed folders!!!! :p

[Dirt McGirt]

Can you stop posting on this thread please - it keeps appearing in my subscribed folders!!!! :p
Sorry I just can't resist hearing what ToonUSA has to say about the Dixie Chicks.:D