Phase IV Tickets - Part 3

[primusux]

This is getting somewhat nuts, the length of these threads.... :eek:

I know everyone likes to have a place to chat about this phase in general though :)

Part 1 found here: http://www.bigsoccer.com/forum/showthread.php?t=310332

Part 2 found here: http://www.bigsoccer.com/forum/showthread.php?t=315859


Let the discussion continue.... ;)

[Timanfaya]

Let's hope part 3 is as action packed as its predecessors.

Anyway, hello all. Here I am, having to do the evening watch now as well as the day shift, thanks to that release 48 hours ago...

Fun fun fun! :)

[Cymro1812]

It's not looking very promising for today, but I think that Monday will see the start of a lot of action. I firmly believe that several games will see the value of the tickets drop to below face value by the day of the game, and hence people will start to realize this and sell their tickets. So if you're willing to spend 115 euros (after the 15% surcharge, but before the shipping fee) to see Paraguay v Trinidad or Iran v Angola then I think you will have plenty of opportunity to snap up the tickets. If you have your heart set on seeing one of the more attractive games though, it's probably not going to happen.

[Fevernova99]

Dont follow you there... drop below face value? How can that be?

And who knows if FIFA will even resell the returned tickets in the portal or out in phase iv... since they can charge 15% or 15 euros extra in the portal...

[Cymro1812]

I've been to several sporting events (for example the early rounds of March Madness, World Cup in Japan) at neutral venues, and you can almost always buy tickets for less than the price printed on the ticket.
You have to remember that these message boards are used mostly by die-hard fans in the US, who think that going to any World Cup game is an attractive proposition. Most Europeans can go to a big soccer game whenever they like, and so are going to laugh at the notion of paying so much money to see two second rate teams play.

[DeutscheMannschaft]

It's not looking very promising for today, but I think that Monday will see the start of a lot of action. I firmly believe that several games will see the value of the tickets drop to below face value by the day of the game, and hence people will start to realize this and sell their tickets. So if you're willing to spend 115 euros (after the 15% surcharge, but before the shipping fee) to see Paraguay v Trinidad or Iran v Angola then I think you will have plenty of opportunity to snap up the tickets. If you have your heart set on seeing one of the more attractive games though, it's probably not going to happen.

The portal could end up being a mess just like ticketing. I do agree that the not so popular matches will be a plenty, but then again, if FIFA tightens restrictions on ticket transfers, people who really are having second thoughts of going to the WC or are no longer going, will have an easy way to get rid of their tickets.

Otherwise they have to have to go through the ticket transfer process, and rumor has it that it won't be easy, nor fun. Although I can imagine people will try to get into matches using tickets with other people's names on them, but what happens if they want to check your ticket?

Then you're SOL and no match for you. Or am I wrong?

DM

[primusux]

Then you're SOL and no match for you. Or am I wrong?
DM


Given the stereotypes we're hearing about Germans being strict etc...I'd imagine you'd be SOL and would also have to deal with some legal issues. How are German jails these day? Would they have a TV to watch the matches? :D

[Cymro1812]

Given the stereotypes we're hearing about Germans being strict etc...I'd imagine you'd be SOL and would also have to deal with some legal issues.

All the language from FIFA about turning people away who don't have their name on the ticket is identical to that used in 2002, but it turned out that IDs were not checked (and the Japanese were absolutely paranoid about hooligans). I think the same thing will occur this year, as the people at the gate will again be local volunteers.

[primusux]

All the language from FIFA about turning people away who don't have their name on the ticket is identical to that used in 2002, but it turned out that IDs were not checked (and the Japanese were absolutely paranoid about hooligans). I think the same thing will occur this year, as the people at the gate will again be local volunteers.

Did anyone else actually have their ID checked in 2002?
I had my ID checked at Italy v Korea in Korea. I went to 5 matches, that was the only one I was checked at.

[Fevernova99]

You guys ever heard of One Man One Goal? It was this dvd featuring a couple of englishman who snuck into like 30+ 2002 WC games including the finals. One way was going with 12 other english fans and they just rushed in and sholved a pile of tickets into the poor security guard, other methods including pretending to be press with his home made press card.

So in 02 you could've gotten inside without a ticket... you just need the knowledge of how to deceive :)

[primusux]

you just need the knowledge of how to deceive :)

And the willingness to accept any consequences that come your way if it doesn't work. :rolleyes:

[Fevernova99]

If you look at the japanese security it was not fearful at all.... they are all tiny... plus during the arg nig game someone caught the ball behind the goal and when the security guards approached them to get the ball back they started to toss it among themselves since the guard was so short... it was hilarious...

But these Germans are prob pretty strong and will be ready to beat you ass down with their sticks

[DeutscheMannschaft]

If you look at the japanese security it was not fearful at all.... they are all tiny... plus during the arg nig game someone caught the ball behind the goal and when the security guards approached them to get the ball back they started to toss it among themselves since the guard was so short... it was hilarious...

But these Germans are prob pretty strong and will be ready to beat you ass down with their sticks

LOL

DM

[almango]

Dont follow you there... drop below face value? How can that be?

If you are a scalper with tickets to sell the value is based on supply and demand. For high demand matches they will get high proces. As you get closer to kick off if the scalpers still hold a number of tickets the price drops as the time gets near. If you are a scalper selling tickets near a venue you hold a commodity rapidly declining in value. Once the game is complete your ticket is worthless. If you still have 100 or so tickets in your hand close to the kick off time then you need to unload them as quick as you can, hence the prices are often below face value. Of course, if the scalpers are confident that they can sell all of their holdings then the prices don't drop.

[RichardL]

I've been to several sporting events (for example the early rounds of March Madness, World Cup in Japan) at neutral venues, and you can almost always buy tickets for less than the price printed on the ticket.
You have to remember that these message boards are used mostly by die-hard fans in the US, who think that going to any World Cup game is an attractive proposition. Most Europeans can go to a big soccer game whenever they like, and so are going to laugh at the notion of paying so much money to see two second rate teams play.
There were games in Japan that didn't sell out. You could log onto their ticket page and see greens and yellows that stayed greens and yellows. That is not the case here.

The games are completely sold out, excluding ticket returns. Something like 90%+ of the tickets were bought by Europeans, so I think, yes, Europeans will pay to watch two teams they have no obvious interest in.

[gokorea]

sorry just want to subscribe..

anyways.. yeah.. i'll be checking all weekend and all next week..

to another bonding session cheers~

[Timanfaya]

How are German jails these day?

They're building a new one in Hamburg, just for the world cup!

I don't know why I went to the bother of booking a hotel, really.

http://www.dw-world.de/dw/article/0,2144,1941366,00.html

[Fevernova99]

If you are a scalper with tickets to sell the value is based on supply and demand. For high demand matches they will get high proces. As you get closer to kick off if the scalpers still hold a number of tickets the price drops as the time gets near.

Yea I know how the supply and demand for scalpers outside the stadium work - what I thought he meant was you can get less than face value thru an official source.

I really wouldnt be suprised if you see green and yellow in phase V... especially for the games without a big side. After all a lot of people got tickets they dont want just for the sake of a future swap... if you look on ebay games like iran angola and paraguay TT are nto fetching much above face value - you might as well sell it back to FIFA for a refund then go through the hassle and risk of an online transaction

[smithfan]

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[almango]

[QUOTE]Yea I know how the supply and demand for scalpers outside the stadium work - what I thought he meant was you can get less than face value thru an official source.

Sorry, I misunderstood.