Follow up on a study about Israeli influence on US foreign policy

[Century's Best]

It's been widely discussed, and pro-Israeli elements in the United States have not ignored this. Here is a piece of news which speaks about this.

http://www.upi.com/InternationalIntelligence/view.php?StoryID=20060320-124726-1902r

[Rostam]

This is what Francis Fukuyama, himself a neoconservative-- but more centrist, alarms about in his book. They have agendas way beyond what average American would want to see this country dragged down to.

The article focuses strongly on the role of the "neo-conservatives" within the Bush administration in driving the decision to launch the war on Iraq.

"The main driving force behind the war was a small band of neo-conservatives, many with ties to the Likud," Mearsheimer and Walt argue." Given the neo-conservatives' devotion to Israel, their obsession with Iraq, and their influence in the Bush administration, it isn't surprising that many Americans suspected that the war was designed to further Israeli interests."

"The neo-conservatives had been determined to topple Saddam even before Bush became president. They caused a stir early in 1998 by publishing two open letters to Clinton, calling for Saddam's removal from power. The signatories, many of whom had close ties to pro-Israel groups like JINSA (Jewish Institute for National Security Affairs) or WINEP (Washington Institute for Near Eastern Policy), and who included Elliot Abrams, John Bolton, Douglas Feith, William Kristol, Bernard Lewis, Donald Rumsfeld, Richard Perle and Paul Wolfowitz, had little trouble persuading the Clinton administration to adopt the general goal of ousting Saddam. But they were unable to sell a war to achieve that objective. They were no more able to generate enthusiasm for invading Iraq in the early months of the Bush administration. They needed help to achieve their aim. That help arrived with 9/11. Specifically, the events of that day led Bush and Cheney to reverse course and become strong proponents of a preventive war," Walt and Mearsheimer write.

[Munuc]

Yes, it has gotten so bad that I check for Jews under my bed every night.

[Century's Best]

Yes, it has gotten so bad that I check for Jews under my bed every night.

Brilliant! I'm sure you can argue with Fukuyama and the Harvard authors! :rolleyes:

[Revolt]

Yes, it has gotten so bad that I check for Jews under my bed every night.

That's okay; Karl Chester Minor checks for the Irish.

[odessit19]

It's been widely discussed, and pro-Israeli elements in the United States have not ignored this. Here is a piece of news which speaks about this.

http://www.upi.com/InternationalIntelligence/view.php?StoryID=20060320-124726-1902r

WTF is your point? I can argue that US has much more influence on Israel than vice versa or that oil-rich countries influence US much more than Israel. You have this stick up your arse, which is bothering you and you can't live with yourself knowing that America has Israel's back and that you just can't imagine how a Jewish state can do so well and it's eating you up inside. Pretty sad life you live.

[Century's Best]

WTF is your point? I can argue that US has much more influence on Israel than vice versa or that oil-rich countries influence US much more than Israel.

Then write a paper and publish it, rather than writing to somebody whose life (about which you know NOTHING ABOUT) you claim to be sad.

You have this stick up your arse, which is bothering you and you can't live with yourself knowing that America has Israel's back and that you just can't imagine how a Jewish state can do so well and it's eating you up inside. Pretty sad life you live.

Impressive ad hominem as well as distortions of what I say, given I have never once written anything deploring whatever prosperity Israel has experienced since 1948. But of course, the authors of the Harvard study have cylindrical chunks of wood in their rectums as well, given they put so much time into their work and got it out there.

Now let's see a real argument. Not that I expect any from a trash-talking slanderer like yourself. I doubt it'll take more than 2 posts before you openly accuse me of anti-semitism - which, by the way, the Harvard study says happens when critics of Israeli policy voice their views. ;)

[odessit19]

Then write a paper and publish it, rather than writing to somebody whose life (about which you know NOTHING ABOUT) you claim to be sad.



Impressive ad hominem as well as distortions of what I say, given I have never once written anything deploring whatever prosperity Israel has experienced sine 1948. But of course, the authors of the Harvard study have cylindrical chunks of wood in their rectums as well, given they put so much time into their work and got it out there.

Now let's see a real argument. Not that I expect any from a trash-talking slanderer like yourself. I doubt it'll take more than 2 posts before you openly accuse me of anti-semitism - which, by the way, the Harvard study says happens when critics of Israeli policy voice their views. ;)

Let's see. This is the second thread in the last few days which you started on Israel's policy and how it affects US. Why?
Say what you want, but I won't waste my intelligence, when I know it would bring me the same result as pissing against the wind, knowing your view on things.

[Century's Best]

Let's see. This is the second thread in the last few days which you started on Israel's policy and how it affects US. Why?
Say what you want, but I won't waste my intelligence, when I know it would bring me the same result as pissing against the wind, knowing your view on things.

Thanks for confirming that all you can do is trash talk. No real arguments - as I expected.

Bye now.

[odessit19]

Thanks for confirming that all you can do is trash talk. No real arguments - as I expected.

Bye now.

Answer my question first before you tuck your tail between your legs and run, why did you start the same thread on Israel's influence of US foreign policy in the past several days? What's bothering you so much?

[MikeLastort2]

How much anti-Semetic Jew hating crap will Century's Best be allowed to post before he receives his well-deserved ban?

[Century's Best]

Answer my question first before you tuck your tail between your legs and run, why did you start the same thread on Israel's influence of US foreign policy in the past several days? What's bothering you so much?

You mock me by saying I have a stick up my arse; you say my life is sad; and you accuse me of not being able to live with the fact that a Jewish state is doing so well. Not that my feelings are hurt (far from it - I love it when people have nothing but ad hominems and imagined orifice blockage accusations in the face of facts).

And now you demand an answer? Then again, you never said you weren't arrogant and pretentious.

Tuck my tail and run? Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight. Write a paper on your views that you earlier voiced. I'll read it if it's worthwhile; given your posts, however, have the intellectual quality of swine offal, I speculate it wouldn't be worth my time.

[Century's Best]

How much anti-Semetic Jew hating crap will Century's Best be allowed to post before he receives his well-deserved ban?

Why is writing about a Harvard paper on Israeli influence on US foreign policy "anti-Semitic Jew hating crap?"

By your logic, if the Japanese government or the ruling authorities of Portugal had equivalent lobbies here and the resulting effects on US foreign policy were equivalent, would anyone speaking about them be posting "anti-Japanese Japanese hating crap" or "anti-Portuguese Luso hating crap?"

This is EXACTLY what the Harvard paper mentions. Every time someone criticizes Israel, accusations of hating Jews fly. It's dirty play, but it works - and which is why these accusations... fly.

[Century's Best]

MikeLastort2, I sent you a PM.

[MikeLastort2]

MikeLastort2, I sent you a PM.
Feel free to hold your breath until you get a reply.

[Century's Best]

Don't expect me to write back.

Oh well. I tried. Whatever.

[Century's Best]

LOL! You changed your reply.

[odessit19]

You mock me by saying I have a stick up my arse; you say my life is sad; and you accuse me of not being able to live with the fact that a Jewish state is doing so well. Not that my feelings are hurt (far from it - I love it when people have nothing but ad hominems and imagined orifice blockage accusations in the face of facts).

And now you demand an answer? Then again, you never said you weren't arrogant and pretentious.

Tuck my tail and run? Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight. Write a paper on your views that you earlier voiced. I'll read it if it's worthwhile; given your posts, however, have the intellectual quality of swine offal, I speculate it wouldn't be worth my time.

Thanks for answering my question:confused:

[Century's Best]

Thanks for answering my question:confused:

Thanks for showing you can't debate your way out of a paper bag - though you can insult with the best of them.

[odessit19]

Thanks for showing you can't debate your way out of a paper bag - though you can insult with the best of them.

Why should I debate you when you can't even answer one simple question. As you can see, it is not just me that has noticed your "personality," thus I want to ask you what was the reason for your double thread on this issue?