Should North and Central America leave Concacaf?

[DANNO49]

I read in the Concacaf website that all thiirty Caribeian nations support Jack Warner inhis troubles with the ticket scandel. This got me to thinking(always dangerous). What exactlly does the Caribean bring to the table as it were. Nothing I can see. The only thing that they can cantrol is the leadership with their voting block. So I say to hell with them North and Central America shoul leave and take our money wiith us. We could very well on oulr own. I know we have only ten countries but so does Conmebol. Let the Caribean have a half a space in the WC and we take three. It is really past time to leave.:) :)

[truetrini]

I read in the Concacaf website that all thiirty Caribeian nations support Jack Warner inhis troubles with the ticket scandel. This got me to thinking(always dangerous). What exactlly does the Caribean bring to the table as it were. Nothing I can see. The only thing that they can cantrol is the leadership with their voting block. So I say to hell with them North and Central America shoul leave and take our money wiith us. We could very well on oulr own. I know we have only ten countries but so does Conmebol. Let the Caribean have a half a space in the WC and we take three. It is really past time to leave.:) :)


Exatly what money does Central Ameria possess?

[rasadam]

I read in the Concacaf website that all thiirty Caribeian nations support Jack Warner inhis troubles with the ticket scandel. This got me to thinking(always dangerous). What exactlly does the Caribean bring to the table as it were. Nothing I can see. The only thing that they can cantrol is the leadership with their voting block. So I say to hell with them North and Central America shoul leave and take our money wiith us. We could very well on oulr own. I know we have only ten countries but so does Conmebol. Let the Caribean have a half a space in the WC and we take three. It is really past time to leave.:) :)
Jack Warner is not a Caribbean problem, he's a FIFA problem. Getting rid of him in CONCACAF will not stop him from being on the executive in some form. And financially, you mean Central America will be pegging their backs on USA/Mexico. If I remember properly, the majority of regional Concacaf funding comes from USA/Mexico/Costa Rica/T&T.

[MoRado]

Exatly what money does Central Ameria possess?

CR has money, we qualified to the 2002 and 2006 WCs

[slideslide]

I think getting rid of Caribbean teams would make the new Concacaf (I'll call it Concaf) seem better. We would be getting rid of like hundreds of bad soccer nations (no offense)

[Dr. Wagner]

If North and Central America leave Concacaf, Concacaf wouldn't be concacaf. It would simply be CAF :rolleyes: Besides that, I don't think the Carribean deserve a region of their own.

[Brushes Sand]

Way past time to leave. WarnerCo IS a local problem.
30 island nations with an equal vote to Mexico & US
is a local problem.

cross-posting from another thread....

Solution: with the precedent now set by the Aussies, Gulati should
lead the charge to CONMEBOL. Bring along Canada, Mexico, all
of Central America. Sorry Jamaica. Sorry Cuba. You're not
attached to a landmass. Therefore, WarnerCo is attached to you.
Like a parasitic Lamprey from hell.

And then evict Jabba from his perch in Manhattan. Kick them out
of the Country entirely.

Qualification entails 3 phases:

A. a play-in for the minnows, 6-game round-robin between:
1.Belize
2.Guyana (stolen from WarnerCo?)
3.Nicaragua
4.Surinam (stolen from WarnerCo?)
winner advances to phase 2....
played in the fall after each World Cup...
would be played fall of '06 in the next cycle

B. everyone except the 4 heavies; played over the the first
18 months of each cycle, 07/08 in this instance, thus giving
more games to the nations that have less club/country conflicts
in Europe; 3 groups of 5 randomly drawn, 8 games total home/away
against your group; winners advance. 3 second place teams
and top 3rd place team then play round robin, 3 games total
neutral site one-offs, winner of this phase joins the 3 group winners.
1.Bolivia(S)
2.Canada(N)
3.Chile(S)
4.Colombia(S)
5.Costa Rica(N)
6.Ecuador(S)
7.El Salvador(N)
8.Guatemaula(N)
9.Honduras(N)
10.Minnow that advanced
11.Panama(N)
12.Paraguay(S)
13.Peru(S)
14.Uruguay(S)
15.Venezuela(S)
(each group of five must have at least 2 teams from the "North"
and 2 teams from the "South".....); 8 games/side in the group phase,
3 games/side in the consolation phase. To shorten the time
required, the Consolation phase would be a Neutral Site set-up
with the games played over the course of one week, probably
in the US, with sat/wed/sat doubleheaders at 2 or 3 locations.

C. The Octet. Played over last 18 months of the next cycle,
commencing in the summer of 08 and all of 09 for example.
7 games at home, 7 games away. FULL INTERNATIONALS
for the Big 4 home/away guaranteed each cycle. This reduces
by 4 the number of games Argentina and Brazil usually
have to play, and for the US and Mexico reduces it by 2.
1. Argentina
2. Brazil
3. Mexico
4. US
5. Phase 2 Group Winner
6. Phase 2 Group Winner
7. Phase 2 Group Winner
8. Phase 2 Consolation Round Winner

A Tier 2 nation that qualifies could play 25 fixtures over 2.5 years
to qualify.

And I just realized that this new confed will probably merit 6 or 7
slots, making this entire argument meaningless..... maybe....

-bs

[Popol Vuh]

That is so complicated that I got lost before I even got to finish reading it......... :rolleyes:

[CHELEGOL]

I know having a confederation for both south and concacaf is just a dream, but how about uniting COPA AMERICA and GOLD CUP and play it every 4 years, there would be 16 teams total, 6 from concacaf 10 from conmebol. there would be a qualifying process for some teams. It would go something like this:(lets pretend USA is the host team)

seed teams: Brazil, Argentina, Mexico and USA
second poll: Colombia, Uruguay, Paraguay, Ecuador
Third poll: Costa Rica, Canada, Honduras and Guatemala
fourth poll: Peru, Bolivia, Chile, Venezuela

[PaulGascoigne]

While I personally think Mexico and USA are as good or better than teams #3 and #4 in Conmebol, and have been for a few years, why the hell would conmebol agree to MEX and USA joining the 2 South American giants as the Big 4? Didn't other S. American teams qualify as well? Why do we deserve a ride that's way easier than that of Ecuador, for instance? We're a hell of a lot closer to Ecuador or Paraguay than to Argentina and Brasil.

And will this be tiered system be perpetual, or will it vary depending on qualification patterns and WC performance in the future? And it sure seems Byzantine and grueling for the minnows to make it into the final rounds.


If anything, Brasil and Argentina should be on a tier by themselves, and Mexico, US, and the other teams that qualified from S.A. (and maybe CR and T&T) should be at a second level. Then everyone else can be on lower level(s).

And even if you disagree, S. America is in no way EVER going for putting US and Mex alone on a pedestal w/ Arg. and Brasil. Maybe if each wins a World Cup. Maybe.

Realistically, we are probably stuck w/ our current route to qualification. I think from the US' perspective we should keep the current WCQ structure but play in all of the Copa Americas and find regular rivalries w/ the S. American teams more in the vein of how Mexico does it.

[CHELEGOL]

I never said Mexico and USA were at the same level of Brazil and Argentina, no one is. I choose them as seeded teams along with Brazil and Argentina just because i was assuming there would be a total of 4 groups, therefor there have to be 2 other seeded teams and considering the way Mexico and USA are playing right now I think they are good enough to claim that 3rd and 4th spot.

[ZeekLTK]

I know having a confederation for both south and concacaf is just a dream, but how about uniting COPA AMERICA and GOLD CUP and play it every 4 years, there would be 16 teams total, 6 from concacaf 10 from conmebol. there would be a qualifying process for some teams. It would go something like this:(lets pretend USA is the host team)

seed teams: Brazil, Argentina, Mexico and USA
second poll: Colombia, Uruguay, Paraguay, Ecuador
Third poll: Costa Rica, Canada, Honduras and Guatemala
fourth poll: Peru, Bolivia, Chile, Venezuela

That is stupid. Why should CONMEBOL get to send 100% of their teams to a 'continental cup' while CONCACAF would get to send less than 20% of their teams? CONMEBOL has some better teams than us, but not all of them are that great. Bolivia, Chile, and Venezuela wouldn't have even made the hex if they were in CONCACAF qualifying.

I think we could do fine without any South American nations. CONCACAF just needs better leadership. We have over 35 nations and yet we can't come up with a continental cup with 16 teams like they have in Europe, Asia, and Africa? And even with only a 12 team tournament, despite having at least 25 other teams to participate, we still invite guest teams? WTF?

[Trin]

When I first read saw this thread I was somewhat insulted. However now that I think about it, go ahead and leave us backward caribbean islands. After all, all were good for is coconut trees and natives swinging from vines rite? The bright side to this suggestion would be that if genius who suggested this is right, and the caribbean is still given a half spot (I very much doubt that anyone would aprove of this) then qualification for us would be much easier. So go ahead, leave.

[Popol Vuh]

When I first read saw this thread I was somewhat insulted. However now that I think about it, go ahead and leave us backward caribbean islands. After all, all were good for is coconut trees and natives swinging from vines rite? The bright side to this suggestion would be that if genius who suggested this is right, and the caribbean is still given a half spot (I very much doubt that anyone would aprove of this) then qualification for us would be much easier. So go ahead, leave.
We're leaving tomorrow. :rolleyes:

[ZeekLTK]

When I first read saw this thread I was somewhat insulted. However now that I think about it, go ahead and leave us backward caribbean islands. After all, all were good for is coconut trees and natives swinging from vines rite? The bright side to this suggestion would be that if genius who suggested this is right, and the caribbean is still given a half spot (I very much doubt that anyone would aprove of this) then qualification for us would be much easier. So go ahead, leave.

I dunno, you'd actually have to play Jamaica then, instead of letting the continental teams knock them out for you. :p

[Trin]

sorry for comming across a bit chippy b4 but I'm tired of ppl lumping the caribbean and jackas$ warner together. The reason he gets so much support from the various caribbean FAs is because most of them are corrupt too, or suffer from an advanced case of incompetance, kinda like the TTFF (run by my good for nothing uncle oliver) who are either too afraid to cross jack or too lazy to change how things are run. Also as they see it having one of their own, even a corrupt one at that, would be better than having someone from somewhere else, who lets face it, probably wouldn't give a crap about the region and would more likely than not be just as corrupt. Fifa seems to breed corruption.

[rasadam]

I'm overall getting tired of these Concacaf boards and the negative attitude towards us islanders. Jack Warner is not a representation of the people of the caribbean, ease off. He's a representation of a FIFA problem.

[tomwilhelm]

I'm overall getting tired of these Concacaf boards and the negative attitude towards us islanders. Jack Warner is not a representation of the people of the caribbean, ease off. He's a representation of a FIFA problem.
He's only a FIFA problem because he's getting votes. Who is voting for him then?

[NitrousOxide]

This would be alot easier then merging Conmebol with Concacaf as some have suggested before, but would still need alot of political maneuvering to convince FIFA and be sucessfull. Conmebol is a strong blatter supporter and thus has alot of influence with him, alot more then Jack Warner, so im sure if they saw this to their advantage, ($$$ and World Cup spots) it would be alot easier to execute.

[rasadam]

He's only a FIFA problem because he's getting votes. Who is voting for him then?
Jack Warner would be in FIFA if he wasn't head of CONCACAF in some form. He and Blatter have close ties in many of their ventures.