NCAA Tourney 2006 Discussion Thread [R]

[arsenalgirl30016]

Anyone want to back me up on this one? :)

But Hey guys, i'm not trying to piss anyone off, but i am a little ornery today. What would a discussion of sports be without outrageously biased opinions?
Hey JP throw in some politics and religion and we might be able to start a war in here! ;) :p

[antifan]

well seriously, under Anti's logic Earl Weaver is a horrible manager because he only won one World Series in his 16 years

(note - I have the orioles)

I think you get my point.
Did the Orioles have the best talent in the country? Is Joe Torre a great manager? I'm starting to suspect that he's the Dean Smith of baseball. ;)

[antifan]

Hey JP throw in some politics and religion and we might be able to start a war in here! ;) :p
Its March Madness in here! :D

[WayneRooneyIsFat]

Dean Smith= most overrated coach ever.

Under Dean Smith, the Tar Heels finished in the top three of the ACC for 33 straight years, from 1964 until 1997.

Think about how much changed in those 33 years: the money, the media coverage, the recruiting, the evolution of the players, the evolution of the game. Regardless of whether Smith's teams (and opposing teams) were tall or short, slow or fast, good or bad shooters; regardless of whether the players got along off the court or not; regardless of injuries, personal problems, academic issues; regardless of any of this, his teams finished in the top 3 of the toughest conference in the nation.

That, to me, is his most remarkable achievement, and I don't think it'll ever happen again.

The fact that Duke has done as well as they have in UNC's backyard makes their achievements even more impressive.

I'm not going to denigrate Coach K as you did with Smith; he's great. But Duke was a great program before Coach K got there. They're 4th all time in wins:

http://www.ncaa.org/stats/m_basketball/all_time_wins/2004_all_time_wins.pdf

[deeplennon]

But Hey guys, i'm not trying to piss anyone off, but i am a little ornery today. What would a discussion of sports be without outrageously biased opinions?
Not pissing me off, nothing like a little debate to get the juices flowing. As long as you don't stoop to the retarded debating skills of some (no names shall be mentioned) posters on this board it's all good.

Just don't diss the zags! ?? Oh my god did i just say that?

Shoot me now.

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/ABPub/2006/03/23/2002885718.jpg

[antifan]

Under Dean Smith, the Tar Heels finished in the top three of the ACC for 33 straight years, from 1964 until 1997.

Think about how much changed in those 33 years: the money, the media coverage, the recruiting, the evolution of the players, the evolution of the game. Regardless of whether Smith's teams (and opposing teams) were tall or short, slow or fast, good or bad shooters; regardless of whether the players got along off the court or not; regardless of injuries, personal problems, academic issues; regardless of any of this, his teams finished in the top 3 of the toughest conference in the nation.

That, to me, is his most remarkable achievement, and I don't think it'll ever happen again. OK, but he still only won 2 National Titles. I'm not saying he's a bad coach, just overrated. That's just MY OPINION. And like they say, everybody's got one.
I'm not going to denigrate Coach K as you did with Smith; he's great. But Duke was a great program before Coach K got there. They're 4th all time in wins: I wouldn't know, i'm not a basketball historian. I'd never heard of Duke before Coach K, but then again i wasn't a huge College B-Ball fan in my infancy.

[deeplennon]

I'm not going to denigrate Coach K as you did with Smith; he's great. But Duke was a great program before Coach K got there. They're 4th all time in wins:
True! But the reality is they had just as many bad years as good. That's not true anymore.

[antifan]

Just don't diss the zags! ?? Oh my god did i just say that?

Dude, c'mon its Gonzaga! Ten years ago, if you said Gonzaga to most basketball fans they would say "Didn't John Stockton go there? Where the hell is that school anyway?"

[WayneRooneyIsFat]

OK, but he still only won 2 National Titles. I'm not saying he's a bad coach, just overrated. That's just MY OPINION. And like they say, everybody's got one.

Coach K has won 12 National Coach of the Year awards:
http://www.coachk.com/coachk-coach.htm

While Dean Smith only won 4:
http://www.hoophall.com/halloffamers/SmithDean.htm

So who exactly is doing the overrating of Dean Smith?

[antifan]

Coach K has won 12 National Coach of the Year awards:
http://www.coachk.com/coachk-coach.htm

While Dean Smith only won 4:
http://www.hoophall.com/halloffamers/SmithDean.htm

So who exactly is doing the overrating of Dean Smith?
North Carolina fans. And thanks alot for the stats. Did you see those, Ryan? ;)

[Gunner Phan]

North Carolina fans. And thanks alot for the stats. Did you see those, Ryan? ;)
:rolleyes:

eff dook. eff hurley, wojo, collins, reddick, cherokee, laetner, magette (he pimped the hell out of Duke), and thomas 'cryboy' hill. grant hill is the only dookie I've ever liked. oh and the kid who used to bring his lil bro to every game...that was kind of sweet....

[WayneRooneyIsFat]

North Carolina fans.

Ah.

Well, I guess this is one of those agree-to-disagree situations. All I can say is that, as a guy who's been following basketball since the late 70s, I think that saying "Dean Smith is overrated" is about as accurate as saying "Didier Drogba is the best striker in the Premiership".

[Gunner Phan]

Ah.

Well, I guess this is one of those agree-to-disagree situations. All I can say is that, as a guy who's been following basketball since the late 70s, I think that saying "Dean Smith is overrated" is about as accurate as saying "Didier Drogba is the best striker in the Premiership".
^^^lmao....whats funny is I didn't want to draw comparisons but I did think that the statement resembled closely the garbage that usually is spewed by a drogface fan known on these boards.... ;)

[antifan]

Ah.

Well, I guess this is one of those agree-to-disagree situations. All I can say is that, as a guy who's been following basketball since the late 70s, I think that saying "Dean Smith is overrated" is about as accurate as saying "Didier Drogba is the best striker in the Premiership".
No need to be a dick.

[Gunner Phan]

No need to be a dick.
awwww...come on JP...we're all phriends here....

:p

[deeplennon]

Dude, c'mon its Gonzaga! Ten years ago, if you said Gonzaga to most basketball fans they would say "Didn't John Stockton go there? Where the hell is that school anyway?"
Dude, it was a joke to set up a highly self-amusing self-slam. Rank on the zags until the cows come home, which you weren't doing anyway.

[WayneRooneyIsFat]

No need to be a dick.

Wasn't trying to be a dick -- it was supposed to be a humorous "we may disagree but at least we can agree on something" lines. Sorry if it didn't come across that way; I guess sounding like a dick comes naturally to me.

Here's something we can (maybe?) all laugh at: a selection of JJ Redick's...um..."poetry" from SI.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2005/basketball/ncaa/02/16/redick.poems/index.html

I bet it sounds a lot like Vanilla Ice if you read it with hip-hop in the background.

[feej92]

you just cant stop george zidek from scoring!! :D

http://www.perry.com/hoops/zidek.gif

repped!

1995 Final Four, OSU v UCLA, Reeves v Zidek...

"Big Country" v "Foreign Country" in the middle. LMAO!

[feej92]

We both know it was Romar! hehe.

AND Cam Dollar!!!

[feej92]

Harrick was a good recruiter. At least good enough to keep the homegrown talent at home. Anybody can win with the right players and a little luck. Hell, even Jim Boeheim won a National Title!

AND score a trophy coed bride! how about that Boeheim. bwahahhahhahahha!