pc4th
16 Mar 2006, 06:19 AM
how much of a raise per year can that player get? (PART II)
This raise also include any signing-on fees. If the signing-on fees is $12 mil for 4 years, then the raise is $3 mil a year + any increase in the player contract compares to the previous contract.
If you want to see the old thread, it's here http://www.bigsoccer.com/forum/showthread.php?t=275224
EVIDENCE #1
Take Chelsea, Real Madrid and Man U for example in a SWITCH to the FREE AGENCY MODEL. These three teams would get every players on their current rosters on a Free and every players that left those three teams also went on a Free (same as all MLB, NFL, NBA, NHL teams)
Chelsea would be $84 million richer each year.
Real would be $42 million richer each year.
Man U would be $36 million richer each year.
Who ultimately benefit if these three teams have A LOT MORE MONEY TO SPEND? The elite/stars players.
Another way to look at it is that IF Yankees and Red Sox are in the 'transfer fees market' and incur around $30 million a year in transfer fees expense instead of $0, can they still afford the high wages for player like Arod or Ramirez?
EVIDENCE #2:
Ballack (a free agent by the way) is offered a contract that would make him the highest paid soccer player in the world--Reported by The Guardian (http://football.guardian.co.uk/News_Story/0,,1719777,00.html)
EVIDENCE #3:
Sol Campbell: Worth around $20 million in the transfer market, went on a free and according to this article receive "massive signing-on fees" and became the highest paid player at Arsenal.
http://www.le.ac.uk/so/css/resources/factsheets/fs16.html
Because McManaman could be bought for no fee, he was able to negotiate his own package with his new club Real Madrid. This meant a wage rise from £12,000 with Liverpool to a reported £60,000 with Real. Sol Campbell moved in 2001 from Spurs to Arsenal, smashing the Highbury wage structure, again because no transfer fee was payable. Top players undoubtedly now have a great deal of power and benefit greatly from this new ruling. Those players playing at the highest levels can receive massive signing-on fees and much higher wages because of the absence of transfer fees.
EVIDENCE #4:
"If Cristiano Ronaldo didn't sign that 4 years contract extension and become a free agent instead, can he make $5 million a year instead of $2.236 million a year?."
Before the contract extension
Cristiano Ronaldo: $1,252,160 a year (calculated from the £14,000 a week from this article)
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2088-1612589,00.html
After the contract extension:
Cristiano Ronaldo £1.3m-a-year or $2.236 mil a year
Valencia are launching a £17 million bid for Manchester United winger Cristiano Ronaldo.
Los Che president Juan Soler said: "I want Valencia to do big things in the Champions League and Cristiano would fit perfectly with these plans. We will now speak with Manchester United."
The Spaniards have not been put off by Ronaldo signing a contract extension in the summer to keep him at Old Trafford until 2010 and are prepared to match his £1.3m-a-year pay.
The question is that is there any clubs out there that is willing to pay him $5 million a year if they get him on a free? In other word, would Valencia pay him $5 million a year if they don't have to pay the £17 million ($29 million) in transfer fees?
EVIDENCE #5: (http://www.bigsoccer.com/forum/showthread.php?t=268786)
The theory here is that in a free agency market like in American sports Chelsea would have $84 mil, Real would have $42 mil and Man U would have $36 million EXTRA in income. Opposite of that, would Red Sox be able to afford a $20-22 million a year for Ramirez if they suddenly discover an expense of $30 million each and every year?
EVIDENCE #6:
Annual Salary for some famous soccer players that you might have heard of: (http://www.bigsoccer.com/forum/showthread.php?t=258968&page=2)
Kaka: $2 million a year
David Trezeguet: $2.6 million a year
Samuel Eto'o : $6.0 -$6.1 mil a year
Rooney: £50,000 a week = $4.5 mil a year
Theo Walcott (Arsenal wonderkid): £9000 a week = $804,960 a year
EVIDENCE #7
FORBES list in revenue
1 Manchester United England $315 mil
2 Real Madrid Spain $287 mil
3 AC Milan Italy $270 mil
4 Chelsea England $264 mil
5 Juventus Italy 262 mil
6 Arsenal England 211 mil
7 Barcelona Spain 206 mil
8 Internazionale Milan Italy 203 mil
Top baseball Revenue reported by Forbes
http://www.forbes.com/lists/results.jhtml?passListId=33&passYear=2005&passListType=Misc&searchParameter1=unset&searchParameter2=unset&resultsStart=1&resultsHowMany=30&resultsSortProperties=-numberfield5%2C%2Bnumberfield1&resultsSortCategoryName=Revenues&category1=category&category2=category&passKeyword=
1 New York Yankees 264 --$315 for soccer
2 Boston Red Sox 201 ---$287 mil for soccer
3 New York Mets 180 ----$270 mil for soccer
4 Seattle Mariners 173 ---$264 mil for soccer
5 Chicago Cubs 170 ----$262 mil for soccer
6 Philadelphia Phillies 167 ---$211 mil for soccer
7 Los Angeles Dodgers 166 ---$206 mil for soccer
8 Atlanta Braves 162 ----$203 mil for soccer
9 San Francisco Giants 159
EVIDENCE #8
Even though the top soccer teams has a lot more revenue, baseball are paying a lot more to their top players.
http://asp.usatoday.com/sports/baseball/salaries/top25.aspx?year=2005
Rank Player Salary Team
1 Rodriguez, Alex $ 26,000,000 New York Yankees
2 Bonds, Barry $ 22,000,000 San Francisco Giants
3 Ramirez, Manny $ 22,000,000 Boston Red Sox
4 Jeter, Derek $ 19,600,000 New York Yankees
5 Mussina, Mike $ 19,000,000 New York Yankees
6 Bagwell, Jeff $ 18,000,000 Houston Astros
7 Clemens, Roger $ 18,000,000 Houston Astros
8 Sosa, Sammy $ 17,000,000 Baltimore Orioles
9 Piazza, Mike $ 16,071,429 New York Mets
10 Jones, Chipper $ 16,061,802 Atlanta Braves
11 Johnson, Randy $ 16,000,000 New York Yankees
12 Brown, Kevin $ 15,714,286 New York Yankees
13 Hampton, Mike $ 15,125,000 Atlanta Braves
14 Park, Chan Ho $ 15,000,000 Texas Rangers
15 Schilling, Curt $ 14,500,000 Boston Red Sox
16 Giambi, Jason $ 13,428,571 New York Yankees
17 Dreifort, Darren $ 13,400,000 Los Angeles Dodgers
18 Thome, Jim $ 13,166,667 Philadelphia Phillies
19 Abreu, Bobby $ 13,100,000 Philadelphia Phillies
20 Jones, Andruw $ 13,000,000 Atlanta Braves
21 Sheffield, Gary $ 13,000,000 New York Yankees
22 Walker, Larry $ 12,666,667 St. Louis Cardinals
23 Helton, Todd $ 12,600,000 Colorado Rockies
24 Griffey Jr, Ken $ 12,500,000 Cincinnati Reds
25 Guerrero, Vladimir $ 12,500,000 Los Angeles Angels
Top Soccer Revenue reported by Deloite and Touche (the latest)
1) Real: $328 mil
2) Man U: $293 mil
3) AC Milan: $279 mil
4) Juventus: $273 mil (will increase by around 30-40 million thanks to a $120 mil a year TV deal starting in 2007)
5) Chelsea: $263 mil
Average transfer expense per year (from 2001 to 2005).
Chelsea: $83.7 million a year
Real Madrid: $41.67 million a year
Manchester United: $36 million a year
Barcelona: $25 million a year
AC Milan: $22 million a year
EVIDENCE #9
Free agency world: Assuming that teams will transfer 75% of transfer fees above to wages and pocket the 25%. Assuming that each team has a $120 million wages bill.
Chelsea: From $120 mil in wages will now become $120 mil + (75% x $84 mil)= $183 mil
Real Madrid: From $120 mil in wages will now become $151.5 mil.
Man U: From $120 mil will now become $147 million.
So which would the stars player want? $120 mil in wages for each of those 3 teams or $183 mil, $151.5 mil and $147 million respectively?
The more that the teams have, the more that the players will get paid. Oh, the teams also benefit because they pocketed 25% of the transfer fees.
EVIDENCE #10
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,27-2088157,00.html
Henry is ours, say Barcelona
The 28-year-old has been offered a four-year deal worth £100,000 a week, but despite repeatedly insisting that he wants to stay, he has yet to sign it.
The Spaniards believe that, as a result of Fifa regulations that enable players over the age of 28, who have been at a club for more than three years, to buy themselves out of the final year of their contract, the maximum compensation they will be obliged to pay is £10 million — and that he could come even cheaper.
Did not know that regulation EXIST. This would make it a lot easier to become a free agent.
Clarification on the terms used:
Star/elite players: Worlds' top 20-30 players only
Big Clubs: Chelsea, Man U, Arsenal, Liverpool, Real, Barcelona, AC Milan, Juventus, Inter Milan and Bayern Munich.
This raise also include any signing-on fees. If the signing-on fees is $12 mil for 4 years, then the raise is $3 mil a year + any increase in the player contract compares to the previous contract.
If you want to see the old thread, it's here http://www.bigsoccer.com/forum/showthread.php?t=275224
EVIDENCE #1
Take Chelsea, Real Madrid and Man U for example in a SWITCH to the FREE AGENCY MODEL. These three teams would get every players on their current rosters on a Free and every players that left those three teams also went on a Free (same as all MLB, NFL, NBA, NHL teams)
Chelsea would be $84 million richer each year.
Real would be $42 million richer each year.
Man U would be $36 million richer each year.
Who ultimately benefit if these three teams have A LOT MORE MONEY TO SPEND? The elite/stars players.
Another way to look at it is that IF Yankees and Red Sox are in the 'transfer fees market' and incur around $30 million a year in transfer fees expense instead of $0, can they still afford the high wages for player like Arod or Ramirez?
EVIDENCE #2:
Ballack (a free agent by the way) is offered a contract that would make him the highest paid soccer player in the world--Reported by The Guardian (http://football.guardian.co.uk/News_Story/0,,1719777,00.html)
EVIDENCE #3:
Sol Campbell: Worth around $20 million in the transfer market, went on a free and according to this article receive "massive signing-on fees" and became the highest paid player at Arsenal.
http://www.le.ac.uk/so/css/resources/factsheets/fs16.html
Because McManaman could be bought for no fee, he was able to negotiate his own package with his new club Real Madrid. This meant a wage rise from £12,000 with Liverpool to a reported £60,000 with Real. Sol Campbell moved in 2001 from Spurs to Arsenal, smashing the Highbury wage structure, again because no transfer fee was payable. Top players undoubtedly now have a great deal of power and benefit greatly from this new ruling. Those players playing at the highest levels can receive massive signing-on fees and much higher wages because of the absence of transfer fees.
EVIDENCE #4:
"If Cristiano Ronaldo didn't sign that 4 years contract extension and become a free agent instead, can he make $5 million a year instead of $2.236 million a year?."
Before the contract extension
Cristiano Ronaldo: $1,252,160 a year (calculated from the £14,000 a week from this article)
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2088-1612589,00.html
After the contract extension:
Cristiano Ronaldo £1.3m-a-year or $2.236 mil a year
Valencia are launching a £17 million bid for Manchester United winger Cristiano Ronaldo.
Los Che president Juan Soler said: "I want Valencia to do big things in the Champions League and Cristiano would fit perfectly with these plans. We will now speak with Manchester United."
The Spaniards have not been put off by Ronaldo signing a contract extension in the summer to keep him at Old Trafford until 2010 and are prepared to match his £1.3m-a-year pay.
The question is that is there any clubs out there that is willing to pay him $5 million a year if they get him on a free? In other word, would Valencia pay him $5 million a year if they don't have to pay the £17 million ($29 million) in transfer fees?
EVIDENCE #5: (http://www.bigsoccer.com/forum/showthread.php?t=268786)
The theory here is that in a free agency market like in American sports Chelsea would have $84 mil, Real would have $42 mil and Man U would have $36 million EXTRA in income. Opposite of that, would Red Sox be able to afford a $20-22 million a year for Ramirez if they suddenly discover an expense of $30 million each and every year?
EVIDENCE #6:
Annual Salary for some famous soccer players that you might have heard of: (http://www.bigsoccer.com/forum/showthread.php?t=258968&page=2)
Kaka: $2 million a year
David Trezeguet: $2.6 million a year
Samuel Eto'o : $6.0 -$6.1 mil a year
Rooney: £50,000 a week = $4.5 mil a year
Theo Walcott (Arsenal wonderkid): £9000 a week = $804,960 a year
EVIDENCE #7
FORBES list in revenue
1 Manchester United England $315 mil
2 Real Madrid Spain $287 mil
3 AC Milan Italy $270 mil
4 Chelsea England $264 mil
5 Juventus Italy 262 mil
6 Arsenal England 211 mil
7 Barcelona Spain 206 mil
8 Internazionale Milan Italy 203 mil
Top baseball Revenue reported by Forbes
http://www.forbes.com/lists/results.jhtml?passListId=33&passYear=2005&passListType=Misc&searchParameter1=unset&searchParameter2=unset&resultsStart=1&resultsHowMany=30&resultsSortProperties=-numberfield5%2C%2Bnumberfield1&resultsSortCategoryName=Revenues&category1=category&category2=category&passKeyword=
1 New York Yankees 264 --$315 for soccer
2 Boston Red Sox 201 ---$287 mil for soccer
3 New York Mets 180 ----$270 mil for soccer
4 Seattle Mariners 173 ---$264 mil for soccer
5 Chicago Cubs 170 ----$262 mil for soccer
6 Philadelphia Phillies 167 ---$211 mil for soccer
7 Los Angeles Dodgers 166 ---$206 mil for soccer
8 Atlanta Braves 162 ----$203 mil for soccer
9 San Francisco Giants 159
EVIDENCE #8
Even though the top soccer teams has a lot more revenue, baseball are paying a lot more to their top players.
http://asp.usatoday.com/sports/baseball/salaries/top25.aspx?year=2005
Rank Player Salary Team
1 Rodriguez, Alex $ 26,000,000 New York Yankees
2 Bonds, Barry $ 22,000,000 San Francisco Giants
3 Ramirez, Manny $ 22,000,000 Boston Red Sox
4 Jeter, Derek $ 19,600,000 New York Yankees
5 Mussina, Mike $ 19,000,000 New York Yankees
6 Bagwell, Jeff $ 18,000,000 Houston Astros
7 Clemens, Roger $ 18,000,000 Houston Astros
8 Sosa, Sammy $ 17,000,000 Baltimore Orioles
9 Piazza, Mike $ 16,071,429 New York Mets
10 Jones, Chipper $ 16,061,802 Atlanta Braves
11 Johnson, Randy $ 16,000,000 New York Yankees
12 Brown, Kevin $ 15,714,286 New York Yankees
13 Hampton, Mike $ 15,125,000 Atlanta Braves
14 Park, Chan Ho $ 15,000,000 Texas Rangers
15 Schilling, Curt $ 14,500,000 Boston Red Sox
16 Giambi, Jason $ 13,428,571 New York Yankees
17 Dreifort, Darren $ 13,400,000 Los Angeles Dodgers
18 Thome, Jim $ 13,166,667 Philadelphia Phillies
19 Abreu, Bobby $ 13,100,000 Philadelphia Phillies
20 Jones, Andruw $ 13,000,000 Atlanta Braves
21 Sheffield, Gary $ 13,000,000 New York Yankees
22 Walker, Larry $ 12,666,667 St. Louis Cardinals
23 Helton, Todd $ 12,600,000 Colorado Rockies
24 Griffey Jr, Ken $ 12,500,000 Cincinnati Reds
25 Guerrero, Vladimir $ 12,500,000 Los Angeles Angels
Top Soccer Revenue reported by Deloite and Touche (the latest)
1) Real: $328 mil
2) Man U: $293 mil
3) AC Milan: $279 mil
4) Juventus: $273 mil (will increase by around 30-40 million thanks to a $120 mil a year TV deal starting in 2007)
5) Chelsea: $263 mil
Average transfer expense per year (from 2001 to 2005).
Chelsea: $83.7 million a year
Real Madrid: $41.67 million a year
Manchester United: $36 million a year
Barcelona: $25 million a year
AC Milan: $22 million a year
EVIDENCE #9
Free agency world: Assuming that teams will transfer 75% of transfer fees above to wages and pocket the 25%. Assuming that each team has a $120 million wages bill.
Chelsea: From $120 mil in wages will now become $120 mil + (75% x $84 mil)= $183 mil
Real Madrid: From $120 mil in wages will now become $151.5 mil.
Man U: From $120 mil will now become $147 million.
So which would the stars player want? $120 mil in wages for each of those 3 teams or $183 mil, $151.5 mil and $147 million respectively?
The more that the teams have, the more that the players will get paid. Oh, the teams also benefit because they pocketed 25% of the transfer fees.
EVIDENCE #10
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,27-2088157,00.html
Henry is ours, say Barcelona
The 28-year-old has been offered a four-year deal worth £100,000 a week, but despite repeatedly insisting that he wants to stay, he has yet to sign it.
The Spaniards believe that, as a result of Fifa regulations that enable players over the age of 28, who have been at a club for more than three years, to buy themselves out of the final year of their contract, the maximum compensation they will be obliged to pay is £10 million — and that he could come even cheaper.
Did not know that regulation EXIST. This would make it a lot easier to become a free agent.
Clarification on the terms used:
Star/elite players: Worlds' top 20-30 players only
Big Clubs: Chelsea, Man U, Arsenal, Liverpool, Real, Barcelona, AC Milan, Juventus, Inter Milan and Bayern Munich.