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AlsoRan
14 Mar 2006, 02:24 AM
World Cup Referee Watch by Casio

I received a certificate for this watch at Christmas. It just arrived. There isn't enough information on the OSI site to really know what you are getting. This is such a cool piece of equipment, I thought I would post a review here. I know that scepticism runs deep, so let me say that I am not employed by OSI or by Casio. I have no ulterior motive. I am just an old fart who referees for sheer fun. I am currently a USSF 8 and AYSO Advanced. I plan to go USSF 7 and AYSO National this fall. I do mostly upper division AYSO and competitive youth games, and occasional adult leagues. My other referee watches are the Digi Soccer Watch, which I have abandoned, and a Timex Expedition, which I loved, but am ready to relegate to backup.

The Hardware
The first thing that you will notice is that the watch is asymmetric. There are two control buttons on the left (mode, adjust) , and three on the right (start/stop, vib, reset). The start/stop button is large, and protected from accidental pushes by a berm on three sides. The vib button is used to toggle the alarm between an audible beep and a vibrating alarm. There is also a light button on the face of the watch.

The display on the watch is large and legible. This was an issue for me with the Digi. The display on the Digi is just too small. The three lines of display on the Digi are all identical, making it more difficult to read quickly. By contrast, the Casio is very clearly delineated into three distinct regions, each one of which is easy to read.

Functions
The picture on the OSI website shows the watch in normal timekeeping mode. The upper display is the date, the second line shows the day of the week and the seconds, and the large lower display shows the time. Other modes are stopwatch, timer, interval, world time and alarm. I am used to using the countdown timer on my Timex. I look forward to using the stopwatch mode on the Casio this weekend.

Stopwatch
In stopwatch mode this watch shows it was designed for Soccer. I can set a target for the stopwatch (i.e. 45 minutes). When I enter stopwatch mode, the upper display shows 00' 00, the middle line shows STW, and the lower display continues to show the current time. So I can be ready to start the game, and tell whether I am starting on time or not without changing modes. When I press start/stop, both the upper display and the lower dsiplay begin counting up. If I want to record stoppage time, I press start/stop and it pauses the upper line, but the bottom line continues counting time. At restart I press start/stop again and the upper time starts again. The amount of stoppage time is the difference between the two timers. When the target time is reached by the lower display, the alarm goes off. The alarm is either an audible beep or a vibration. There is no alarm for the upper time - so I am on my own once we are playing stoppage time.

I record the player number and elapsed time for goals and misconducts. It will be a joy to not be going let's see, 19 minutes left, and this is U14, so 35 minus 19 is 26, no wait, 16...

Timer
When I enter timer mode, the upper display shows the current time, the middle line shows TMR, and the lower display shows the countdown timer. Timer mode uses nine preset timer intervals: 10, 12, 15, 20, 25, 30, 35, 40, 45. I scroll through the list of intervals and select the interval I want. The basic timer function is pretty standard, I start it, it counts down to zero and gives the alarm. What happens next depends on whether I am in auto-repeat mode. If I am in auto-repeat mode, once the timer alarm reaches zero, it starts over again - it will do this up to 100 times. If I am not in auto-repeat mode, upon reaching zero the lower display goes into elapsed time mode. So, if you prefer to use the countdown timer, you set it for 45 minutes with auto repeat off, time the first half, track the half-time interval, and start again.

Interval
Interval mode allows me to set up to 9 distinct time intervals. At the end of each interval, the watch will alarm (beep or vibrate). The example in the manual is that you set the first interval for 45 minute first half, the second interval for 5 minute halftime, and the third interval for a 45 minute half. I don't buy that. But, this feature seems like it is perfect for the proposed new fitness exam. Set interval 1 to 30 seconds, interval 2 to 40 seconds, interval 3 to 30 seconds and interval 4 to 40 seconds. Set the auto-repeat feature on. These intervals then correspond to the 150m run and 40m walk. If I am still alive and still running once the repeat counter says 10, I've met the minimum standard for World Cup. :-)

World Time
This mode is for grins. It is basic two timezone functionality, but you select a city code rather than an offset.

Alarm
Standard stuff.

Oddities
When adjusting the stopwatch target time, or the timer duration, the upper button lowers the time, the lower button raises the time. This seems counter-intuitive.

There is an auto-light function. If it is on, you simply raise the watch, tilt your wrist 40 degrees, and the backlight comes on. I imagine this is an indispensible feature for one-armed referees on poorly lit fields. Otherwise it seems gimmicky.

Overall
This is a great soccer watch. Unfortunately, it is a $40 watch with a $40 engraving and commemerative can. I couldn't care less that Germany 2006 is etched on the back or that it comes in a nifty can. It is easy to use and easy to read.

Pros

Large Display
Intelligent count-up and count down functions
vibrating alarm function
easy to use buttons


Cons

overpriced
limited availability

Caesar
14 Mar 2006, 02:41 AM
Just to clarify, this isn't the watch being issued to tournament referees.

refontherun
14 Mar 2006, 08:06 AM
World Cup Referee Watch by Casio

Oddities
When adjusting the stopwatch target time, or the timer duration, the upper button lowers the time, the lower button raises the time. This seems counter-intuitive.

I have one of the newer Casio G-Shocks that I enjoy using, but I noticed the same thing about the adjustment buttons on that.

Also on the G-Shock, the count-down timer counts down in seconds. Once it reaches 00:00, it starts counting up in seconds. This is handy for managing stoppage/halftimes but, at the end of half you have to look at it for at least two seconds to see if it is counting down or up. It might help if they added 100ths to the count up timer. It has an alarm, but it is pretty weak. The display is not that large either.

USSF REF
14 Mar 2006, 11:09 AM
I just ordered the WC watch, now I'm glad I made the investment. YES!

MassachusettsRef
14 Mar 2006, 11:31 AM
Just to clarify, this isn't the watch being issued to tournament referees.Adidas typically makes the official World Cup tournament watch that is distributed to referees. I haven't seen it advertised or available anywhere yet, though.

Wreave
14 Mar 2006, 12:18 PM
Will they offer one without the etching and tin for $50 or less?

I currently just wear an Ironman on each arm. It's not perfect, but it does the job...

Englishref
14 Mar 2006, 01:43 PM
You can't beat the Optimum watch that OSUK sell and that is worn by most of England's top officials for me. Great watch. :cool:

blind_clown
14 Mar 2006, 02:13 PM
You can't beat the Optimum watch that OSUK sell and that is worn by most of England's top officials for me. Great watch. :cool:

If this is the same Optimum that is sold by OSI-USA, here's the review:
Features:
Simple count up timer or programable count down w/ alarm (not at the same time)
start/stop button on top
button to add one minute (time must be stopped)
time of day mode
count down has button to set to 45 or you can start with zero and set it the same way you'd do stoppage time (preset can't be changed)

Problems:
Alarm for countdown timer goes for 7 seconds and can't be shut off early
This watch is huge, put a quarter down and dimes all around it and that's how big the face is (sorry, US money is all I have to measure with right now)
I've had it a couple months and the back metal is corroding (sweat?)
wrist band is big, large increments in sizing so hard to fit right

the stoppage time feature is a plus, but it's inflexible and is the only advantage this watch has over others with similar features (and lower prices)

I bought it because I thought it would have the count up and beep at 45 like the World Cup watch.

Rating: C-
Recommendation: If it's on sale or nothing else is in stock.

billf
14 Mar 2006, 05:23 PM
Adidas typically makes the official World Cup tournament watch that is distributed to referees. I haven't seen it advertised or available anywhere yet, though.

Casio was the official timer in 1998. They even had an Ad board. It wouldn't surprise me if this watch turns out to be the one given out in Germany.

MassachusettsRef
14 Mar 2006, 05:33 PM
Casio was the official timer in 1998. They even had an Ad board. It wouldn't surprise me if this watch turns out to be the one given out in Germany.1998 or 2002? Because I own the 1998 WC watch and it's made by Adidas (still works, have had battery replaced twice in 8 years). It's possible the Casio is the official timer (stadia scoreboards) but Adidas makes the watch because they are the official uniform/equipment supplier for referees. Or, maybe Casio took over in 2002.

Chas (Psyatika)
14 Mar 2006, 06:57 PM
There is no alarm for the upper time - so I am on my own once we are playing stoppage time.I'll stick with my $30 Digi :)

Caesar
14 Mar 2006, 07:34 PM
Casio was the official timer in 1998. They even had an Ad board. It wouldn't surprise me if this watch turns out to be the one given out in Germany.
It's not. Adidas is supplying them this year.

bluedevils
14 Mar 2006, 11:01 PM
maybe I'm missing something, but I seem to do just fine with a pair of $7 digital watches from Wal-Mart.

steever
15 Mar 2006, 07:37 AM
I've been pleased, for the most part, with Sportline's Athlete 126, especially the large display with both real time and timer shown.

I have found, though, it is possible to accidently depress all 4 buttons at the same time and reset the whole darn thing. Of course, this only happens immediately prior to kickoff.

http://www.sportline.com/

bluedevils
15 Mar 2006, 07:51 AM
are you guys doing more fancy stuff with your watches during the match than what I am doing? I start my 2 watches at 0:00 at 1st and 2nd half kickoff. They count up. I do not stop them during the match. I glance at my watch to determine how much stoppage time to add. Occasionally I will look at the actual TIME on the watch to get a backup version of when the half started (I do this usually when I am not wearing a 2nd watch), in case I accidentally stop the count-up timer.

For me, I just don't see a need to be doing any more than that with the watch during a match. I don't need or want a beep reminding me about anything.

NHRef
15 Mar 2006, 08:10 AM
I like having the option of a beeper, but a buzzer/vibrate would be even better. I ref a lot of youth soccer and the period lengths change with the age of the kids. Sometimes during a good close, fast game with younger kids, I "forget" to check my watch when its nearing a 30 minute half.

I would like a vibration just because I have had kids hear the beep and stop playing. Longer 45 minute halfs I just use the stopwatch/count up.

blind_clown
15 Mar 2006, 09:31 AM
Yes, the beep/vibration is very useful when changing lengths and also when things are heated at the end and you don't want to be staring at your watch or giving more time than you should.

Stoppage timer is very useful because... I end up forgetting to use it or overruling it anyway and go by the notes in my head as far as how much time to add. :o

Edit: I've relegated my 3 displays at once Digi to count up duty while the Optimum review above is supposed to be countdown, but usually doesn't get set and ends up counting up.

USSF REF
15 Mar 2006, 10:29 AM
are you guys doing more fancy stuff with your watches during the match than what I am doing? I start my 2 watches at 0:00 at 1st and 2nd half kickoff. They count up. I do not stop them during the match. I glance at my watch to determine how much stoppage time to add. Occasionally I will look at the actual TIME on the watch to get a backup version of when the half started (I do this usually when I am not wearing a 2nd watch), in case I accidentally stop the count-up timer.

For me, I just don't see a need to be doing any more than that with the watch during a match. I don't need or want a beep reminding me about anything.

I typically use 2 watches -- One counting up, which never stops until I stop it right at the half, and the other keeping the "official" game time counting down, which I will stop to when I feel there are moments of time needing to be added or depending on the watch I'll add time (Optimum).

This method allows me to not only have an accurate measure of how far into the match we are, and when goals are scored or cards issued, I just have to use the number on the stopwatch +1 and I have the min of play. I can also give the quick answer to players who ask how much time is left. Keeping the watch counting up also covers me in case I forget to restart my count down clock.

Chas (Psyatika)
15 Mar 2006, 11:48 AM
I use the beep so that i don't have to look at my watch. I use the stoppage time feature so that i don't need to calculate the stoppage time (and so that i don't need to look at my watch to determine how much time i'm adding on). It beeps once to let me know i've reached stoppage time, and then beeps more as the amount of stoppage i have on my watch approaches. My backup watch is used only if the first watch fails, and it just tells me the time (i have the half end times written down on my data sheet). If those are considered fancy, then call me the Duke of York.

bluedevils
16 Mar 2006, 12:17 AM
Since I've never used a watch with a stoppage time feature and I really cannot imagine how it works, I guess I don't know if I am missing out on something that I would consider useful.

Personally, I estimate stoppage time in 15-second increments. When something happens that I decide warrants me adding time in my head, I decide when it's over whether it was worth 15 sec, 30 sec, 45 sec, etc.

Also, I'm good at math and don't feel the need for a countdown timer to show me how much time is left. Plus, a watch that is counting down and needs to be stopped all the time - I see this as a distraction that I personally wouldn't want to deal with.

I try to keep things as simple as possible, and my approach works well for me.