View Full Version : players with outstanding club careers, and limited, bad or no wold cups
guado
11 Mar 2006, 02:00 AM
and also vice versa.
the world cup is a showcase that can make or break players.
some successful club players also have successful WC - (beckenbauer,pele, baggio, breitner, maradona etc.)
for whatever the reasons are, some have excellent club careers but had lackluster WC's, or never went or played in one (hugo sanchez, van basten)
some had some awesome WC perfomrances , btu have not played at that level for their clubs (the only one i can think of right now is el hadji diouf.)
any others?
Matt Clark
11 Mar 2006, 04:00 AM
Second category: Anyone from crappy football nations - Giggs, Hughes, Rush, Weah, Best, Hansen, Dalglish, Johnston, ...
Third category: Anyone from crappy football nations* - Diouf, Diao, Fadiga, Nakata, Wanchope, Reina, Donovan etc.
*just being at a World Cup counts as an achievement, the players themselves are nothing special.
Duck Manson
11 Mar 2006, 05:15 AM
diouf? seriously? might be the most overrated player in history.
kakaboypuf redded
11 Mar 2006, 05:20 AM
best example that comes to mind is Seedorf. Has won the CL with 3 different clubs, but on WC's always ended up on the bench. This year, the NT coach will not select him
Matt Clark
11 Mar 2006, 06:40 AM
diouf? seriously? might be the most overrated player in history.
To whom are you addressing this?
Excape Goat
11 Mar 2006, 10:48 AM
1) for whatever the reasons are, some have excellent club careers but had lackluster WC's, or never went or played in one (hugo sanchez, van basten)
Liverpool has many such players. Hansen, Souness and Dalgish played for the great Liverpool team of the 1980s. They failed in the WC Finals. Keegan also had a miserable 20 minutes at WC 1982. Barnes did not do too well either. Others.... Boban, Savicevic, Franciscoli and Vialli all failed to deliever in the World Cup. Henry and Rai each won a WC, but they did not do much.
dmar
11 Mar 2006, 11:06 AM
Di Stefano is chief among these, and you could probably say the same for a host of spanish Real Maadrid and Barcleona players.
guado
11 Mar 2006, 03:04 PM
To whom are you addressing this?
probably me.
diouf was nothing special, but liverpool bought him for a reason after WC 2002.
but he was african player of the year twice....
he the was the closest example of a player who responded in a WC but hasn't done as well with his club.
leg_breaker
11 Mar 2006, 03:24 PM
He's done alright at Bolton actually.
Albion + England
11 Mar 2006, 04:53 PM
Ian Wright - although his strike rate for England wasn't too bad.
guado
11 Mar 2006, 11:20 PM
He's done alright at Bolton actually.
after a disastrous spell at liverpool.
and its still not the same level he was at at japan/korea.
Sagy
12 Mar 2006, 12:40 AM
George Best - outstanding club career, no WCs.
billyireland
12 Mar 2006, 02:07 AM
Roy Keane deserves a mention. One of Man United's best players ever, and right up their in terms of great captains, too. Despite his incredible successes with Man United at club level, he only appeared at one World Cup in 1994 under Jack Charlton (whose longball approach bypassed the midfield). Roy Keane of 1994 was also not a great player, but Roy Keane off 1998-2002 was probably the best box-to-box CM of his generation, during which time he literally dragged the Republic of Ireland on his shoulders to the World Cup. Unfortunately due to a huge fallout between he & then-manager Mick McCarthy, Keane infamously was kicked out of the World Cup team. Ireland went on suprise most with their spirited performances, just leaving us all wondering... what if?
Duck Manson
12 Mar 2006, 11:22 AM
To whom are you addressing this?youre the only one whos mentioned him so yes, you. how has he had an outstanding club career? i wonder.
Caesar
12 Mar 2006, 11:38 AM
youre the only one whos mentioned him so yes, you. how has he had an outstanding club career? i wonder.
:confused:
He said that Diouf fell into the third catagory:
some successful club players also have successful WC - (beckenbauer,pele, baggio, breitner, maradona etc.)
for whatever the reasons are, some have excellent club careers but had lackluster WC's, or never went or played in one (hugo sanchez, van basten)
some had some awesome WC perfomrances , btu have not played at that level for their clubs (the only one i can think of right now is el hadji diouf.)
Duck Manson
12 Mar 2006, 11:49 AM
:confused:
He said that Diouf fell into the third catagory:ah my bad. apologies all around.
babaorum
12 Mar 2006, 12:42 PM
Jean-Pierre Papin, Eric Cantona.
spoonman
13 Mar 2006, 01:31 PM
Ruud Gullit never won a Worldcup match.
Jari Litmanen
guado
13 Mar 2006, 07:31 PM
Ruud Gullit never won a Worldcup match.
Jari Litmanen
the dutch of the 80's seem like good picks.
can anyone think of players with good cups and bad club performances?
i really can't think of anyone else.
Excape Goat
13 Mar 2006, 10:40 PM
can anyone think of players with good cups and bad club performances?
i really can't think of anyone else.
Salenko. Anyone even remember that guy?
Most of the Golden boot winners at WC Finals are very bad too.