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RABID
23 Mar 2006, 10:57 AM
I truely do not understand Klinsi's tactics for this game nor the failure to adjust to the US playing two defensive midfielders. First, Klinsi opens up in a 4-3-3 that basically gives Ballack no support whatsoever in midfield. Schneider is playing wide most of the early part of the game and Kehl is deep, so Ballack is primarily responsible for the entire central midfield. To top this off, you have Asamoah, who is a decent poacher but hasn't been able to really run in years, dropping back into the midfield where he can do little but hold the ball. He actually does a decent job at times pushing forward for a little bit of pressure, but his role is very limited given his complete lack of pace. It would seem the point of playing a 4-3-3 was to put pressure on the US defenders, but that tactic is inconsistent with having Asamoah hold up the ball. His presence was just inconsistent with the whole point of playing 3 up front.

Similarly, anyone that watches Cologne knows that this is the worst position for Podolski. He plays well upfront when there are two forwards, and he can do very well as a center forward that does not drop that far into midfield, but this system of expecting Asamoah and Podolski to drop into the midfield is one in which he always struggles. He is a forward, but he is young and struggles anytime that he is expected to be a link type player.

So the tactics just don't make sense. You have Ballack being the only true central midfielder, when the US has two defensive midfielders in the game (Mastroeni and Zavagnin), and you support him by dropping back a young player that has struggled anytime he has been asked to play a link position and then a poacher that can do little but hold the ball. Hence the entire offense relies entirely on Schneider penetrating deep down the right sideline and crossing into Klose, which system fails miserably when Schneider can't play one single decent cross. At best you have Freidrich and Lahm crashing forward after Asamoah has been holding the ball, but by that time the US has players behind the ball and the system produces one single cross from Freidrich in the entire first half.

The second half adjustments make sense. Bringing in Schwein brought another ballhandler into the midfield that freed up Ballack and instantly created more pressure. The US fouls Ballack within seconds of Schwein's arrival, as Ballack immediately recognizes that he can now crash forward. However, the team play doesn't really begin to hit form until Neuville and Borowski come in, with Neuville having the greatest impact. It isn't just the fact that Neuville can run and brings instant pace to the game, but that he doesn't hold the ball as Asamoah was doing. Every attack is designed to push forward and pressure the US defenders before they can recover and get numbers behind the ball. The individual defenders and their lack of speed are exposed.

So I understand the adjustments, but why wait until there are only 30 minutes left in the game? The team had 6 substitutions allowed, so it made no sense not to start making changes earlier in the game. The team got a lot of pressure in the first 10 minutes when the US opened up in a 3-5-2. There wasn't anybody getting back on their left side quickly enough. But Arena immediately adjusted with a solid back four staying behind the ball the rest of the first half. Klinis did nothing for the next 50 minutes, even though it was clear that the tactics weren't putting any pressure on the makeshift US defense.

The 4-1 scoreline is deceiving. This game was set up for Klinsi to throttle a depleted American lineup without its European based players. He succeeded in the second half, but his tactics in the first half are bewildering. Perhaps they just wanted to get an extending period of time to watch Asamoah, Kehl, and Schneider to guage what role if any they would have on the national team, but this was a game in which the team needed a positive result more than it needed more experimentation. Klinsi also wasted an opportunity to get Borowski extensive international experience, when it is clear given Deisler's injury that he is going to have a very big role in the World Cup. In the end, Klinsi got what he needed (a big win), but the team seems to be experimenting with tactics and personnel at a time when it should just be building confidence and making final preparations for June.

The Old Lady Hertha
23 Mar 2006, 11:06 AM
This is a bloody English and American invention....but match ratings...(kicker style)

Kahn 2
Friedrich 3
Mertesacker 4.5
Metzelder 3
Lahm 4
Kehl 4
Schneider 6
Ballack 2.5
Klose 2
Podolski 5
Asamoah 4.5
Schweinsteiger 2.5
Neuville 1.5
Borowski 3.5

Rest too little time to impress

I was close ^_^

F96
23 Mar 2006, 11:16 AM
Anyone have video of the goals? I had to leave for work after the 1-0 :(

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=13JJeQESOKg&search=germany

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_gOf5J-YR5Y&search=germany

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bnd2D3EOU6U&search=germany

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wf_LLbMKaw8&search=germany

Dead Fingers
23 Mar 2006, 11:17 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=13JJeQESOKg&search=germany

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_gOf5J-YR5Y&search=germany

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bnd2D3EOU6U&search=germany

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wf_LLbMKaw8&search=germany


thanks darling!

"Eisenfuß" Eilts
23 Mar 2006, 11:48 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=13JJeQESOKg&search=germany

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_gOf5J-YR5Y&search=germany

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bnd2D3EOU6U&search=germany

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wf_LLbMKaw8&search=germany

Great post :)

btw:
Hereīs the first goal, so we have all goals complete:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bH12D6OFBTY&search=germany%20usa

Bayerntone
23 Mar 2006, 01:33 PM
Good win!

Now move on Team Germany in the last 11 weeks to the tournament!

ForeverRed
23 Mar 2006, 03:14 PM
I think I'm going to become overconfident if we keep talking about this game.....

Bayerntone
23 Mar 2006, 03:25 PM
Very cautiously confident.:)

The Old Lady Hertha
23 Mar 2006, 03:38 PM
My mood of this team went from....very unconfident to somewhat unconfident.

Jaison
23 Mar 2006, 03:50 PM
My mood of this team went from....very unconfident to somewhat unconfident.

Agreed...

Klinsmann's tactical naivety is still very worrysome to me.

Bayerntone
23 Mar 2006, 04:07 PM
Was Germany playing 4-3-3 because this is their new attacking style? Or was it due to the quality of opponent? Or because of players available?
Just curious.

Regarding Asamoah, he may not have the skills of someone like Neuville, but I think his strength can wear on a team after a period of time and can contribute to defensive mistakes late in a match.

Also, will Neuville make the WC team? An excellent finish by Oliver.

Don't have many chances to see Oliver play coz locally not many Glabach's matches are shown on tv. He was very outstanding yesterday. One classic goal and another sublime backheel to Klose. He also had a good showing in 2002 against Paraguay in which he scored a crackling goal. Klinsi should be glad to have him.

It was not Asamoah's day. If you have a chance to see how he played for Schalke against Palermo, you should be impressed by his performance in that match.

"Eisenfuß" Eilts
23 Mar 2006, 04:23 PM
Agreed...

Klinsmann's tactical naivety is still very worrysome to me.

Yes, but i am also worried about how they play as a team.

I donīt mean, they donīt have team spirit, they do.
Yesterday the players helped each other very good.

But IMO they donīt know, what the other has in mind.
One players plays a pass and the other one
doesnīt get it, because he ran into the wrong direction.
(In German: "Die kennen die Laufwege ihrer Mitspieler nicht
und viele haben auch nicht die Fähigkeiten zu antizipieren,
was ihre Mit- / Gegenspieler vorhaben")

This also has to do with anticipation,
thatīs a point, where many of the players have deficits.
Klinsmann canīt teach them how to anticipate situations
during the training camp,
thatīs a thing, that must be taught in the youth
or players simply have that skill,
but the pass game must be improved in any case
to have a chance at the world cup.

Hopefully Klinsi can do it during the trainings camp.

---

To the Schneider ranking:
I agree with TOLHs ranking in this point.
He didnīt participate in the game, donīt understand,
why kicker gave him a 4. :confused:

F96
23 Mar 2006, 04:39 PM
weird picture
http://epaper01.niedersachsen.com/eZeitung/2006032319822html/NP/images/img499699.jpg

nice picture
http://epaper01.niedersachsen.com/eZeitung/2006032406563html/NP/images/img500563.jpg

Bayerntone
23 Mar 2006, 04:57 PM
The fundamental passing and players' movements are not in sync.

If a team is well-coordinated and highly mechanised, you will often see dovetailing moments when the holding player is controlling the ball, at least 2 team-mates are well positioned in free spaces within a "2 to 5 meters" circle moving in sync with him. They need to work on "diamond" or "triangular" formations; "one-two" passings really hard.

We do not see too many of these happening in Germany's play so far.

I was disappointed at Schneider's poor performance too. It's just unbelievable to see a veteran as experienced as he could not carry out some basic ball passings well.

Bayerntone
23 Mar 2006, 05:00 PM
funny pics, Fraeulein.

footyfan1
23 Mar 2006, 05:26 PM
http://msn.foxsports.com/id/5434544_7_1.jpg

That pic is funny. Klose looks like a granny and Conrad seems to be in agony. Obviously Klose tries to break his opponent`s collarbone with his hand of iron.


LMAO!! :D


That's why Conrad won't see Germany 2006 unless he has the TV package or a ticket!! ;)

Beantowner
23 Mar 2006, 10:32 PM
That's correct ...

saying the USNT is better than the Azzurri is *FUNNY* Even better, this June could be even more distressful for your blue heart. :)

Beantowner
23 Mar 2006, 10:49 PM
Yea Arena has some selection problems now. Interesting perspective, but not one I share. Actually, my view is quite the contrary. I believe the US-German match resulted in selection solutions for Bruce Arena. In other words, some guys played themselves right out of consideration for this year's US World Cup roster. Addition, by subtraction. Maybe that's a reflection of my typically positive perspective, but I doubt it.

Bayerntone
24 Mar 2006, 02:02 AM
If subtraction > addition, then it's an absolute -ve. Is this happening in Team USA? I love to see you guys kick the blue arses.

Zeppelin
24 Mar 2006, 09:52 AM
What do you all think Klinsman said to the players during the break ? it seemed to be working really well.