Klinsmann and die Nationalmannschaft

[Dead Fingers]

EDIT: there will be another game thread

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March 22, 2006

Westfalenstadion (Dortmund, Germany)

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[ForeverRed]

This game is some time away but Klinsman defenitely needs to change a few things. First is first and thats bring Kehl into the damn team, if not, we might as well put a straight jacket on him and throw him into an asylum.

Second, the points made about the flat four were all true, a 3-5-2 just might work with our central midfielders and our pacey wingbacks who are better all out attacking anyways.

[SirManchester]

This game will be played on a non-international duty schedule. In other words, The US will not play with their European based players, don't know what Germany will do.

[The Old Lady Hertha]

I think this would be a useless game for Germany to put all its starters in, for the reason that neither will the US. I say this game should give some youngsters a chance, maybe call up Manuel Friedrich, Malik Fathi, Piotr Trachowski, Stefan Keissling and/or Moritz Volz (pending approval). I don't see why not. Germany should also rest key players for this match as well. Dont' see the point of risking Ballack and Klose over what will be subsequently a "B" side.

[snoooop]

im not very interested in that game.:eek:

i wait for 2010 and hope we have in 2010 a better team. i cant believe it, whats going on? we always had many high/worldclass players and after 1998 there was nothing, the german league sux more and more, the german clubs play international bad(mostly) and we loose every year more UEFA-Points....

why do all big european nations have youth academys? and germany not?
we always had big players and big talents but from on year to the other, not anymore.
How can a country with 16 Mio ppls(Holland) have so many worldclass players and a country with 82 Mio ppls(Germany) has 1 1/2 worldclass players??

why do german clubs always buy cheap east-europeans and southamericans and do not make young german players to big players? why?

our whole nationalteam sux and i hope that we will suc up at the WC, that the Mayer-Vorfelder and all others from German FA see that they have to build youth academys and learn from Holland, France and England.


i know thats off-topic :D
and sorry for my english, im still learning:D

[Herr Wolf]

I think "Die NationalMannschaft" will take out their anger on a second class American side. I would rather see the U.S. play their European based players, so we can still crush them like bugs. A statement needs to be made

[ForeverRed]

im not very interested in that game.:eek:

i wait for 2010 and hope we have in 2010 a better team. i cant believe it, whats going on? we always had many high/worldclass players and after 1998 there was nothing, the german league sux more and more, the german clubs play international bad(mostly) and we loose every year more UEFA-Points....

why do all big european nations have youth academys? and germany not?
we always had big players and big talents but from on year to the other, not anymore.
How can a country with 16 Mio ppls(Holland) have so many worldclass players and a country with 82 Mio ppls(Germany) has 1 1/2 worldclass players??

why do german clubs always buy cheap east-europeans and southamericans and do not make young german players to big players? why?

our whole nationalteam sux and i hope that we will suc up at the WC, that the Mayer-Vorfelder and all others from German FA see that they have to build youth academys and learn from Holland, France and England.


i know thats off-topic :D
and sorry for my english, im still learning:D

Quite frankly, I wouldn't blame the leauge...I mean, the Bundesliga is better than Holland's league by far and is just as competitive as any of the other big leagues. The Bundesliga also has the highest attendence rates in Europe, players should be attracted to playing in Germany. I just think many are intimidated by German culture and the german style, that along with many other things.

[snoooop]

Quite frankly, I wouldn't blame the leauge...I mean, the Bundesliga is better than Holland's league by far and is just as competitive as any of the other big leagues. The Bundesliga also has the highest attendence rates in Europe, players should be attracted to playing in Germany. I just think many are intimidated by German culture and the german style, that along with many other things.


and its a financial thing, Bayern gets 16 Mio a year from TV and Juve gets over 200 Mio for 2 years from TV.
Germany is not like it was 40 years ago, it is multicultural here like in america or anywhere else, i go on street and see blacks,asians, a lot of russians and turkish ppls and from all other countrys, we have in germany no fans who make monkey-sound in stadiums when black players touch the ball like they do it in italy and spain.

the attendence is because, the tickets cost in england 3x more, we have everywhere new stadiums and all 18 clubs from the first league come from different citys and in england come 6? from London, 2 from Manchester, 2 from Liverpool and so on..

ive learned that everywhere the ppl think bad about germany but the think we are conservative and boring and thats not true.

[Dead Fingers]

keep on topic guys. This is about the game w/ the US. We already have a couple threads opened for the "State" of the National team
http://www.bigsoccer.com/forum/showthread.php?t=320395

http://www.bigsoccer.com/forum/showthread.php?t=320710

http://www.bigsoccer.com/forum/showthread.php?t=320390

[Sempuukyaku]

I think "Die NationalMannschaft" will take out their anger on a second class American side. I would rather see the U.S. play their European based players, so we can still crush them like bugs. A statement needs to be made


If your national team treats this game the way you are, YOU WILL NOT WIN against our team...especially with how awesome our form has been of yet.

I suggest you not underestimate the United States. We can play ball.

[prymetyme]

Unlike most on this thread, I think this is a very important match for us. We need to come out and give a good showing to boost morale. I wouldnt mind seeing starters play because right now we need a good result to ease our fears. Klinsi also needs a good result to prove himself. Look for a German squad to come out fireing.

[Wotan]

Does anyone know if Klinsi plans any roster changes for the friendly vs USA? I would assume Kahn will be back as GK. Has he announced anything yet? Any predictions? Mine is Germany 3-1.

[bltleo]

Does anyone know if Klinsi plans any roster changes for the friendly vs USA? I would assume Kahn will be back as GK. Has he announced anything yet? Any predictions? Mine is Germany 3-1.


yes Kahn should be goalkeeper.....actually first should have been Lehman and Kahn for Italy game..but Kahn was still not o.k after his injury so it was changed....so Lehman was goalkeeper against Italy...and now gets Kahn his chance....I like Kahn more than Lehman...so it is fine for me....

My prediction..funny....the same......3:1 for GERMANY!

["Eisenfuß" Eilts]

If your national team treats this game the way you are, YOU WILL NOT WIN against our team...especially with how awesome our form has been of yet.

I suggest you not underestimate the United States. We can play ball.

Sure, you can.
Furthermore in the form the NT showed at Italy
they shouldnn´t underestimate even a pub team,
but Germany plays at home, so they must win. ;)

I go for a 4-2 for Germany (Confed Cup style :D ).

[LebenslangGruenWeiss]

Does anyone know if Klinsi plans any roster changes for the friendly vs USA? I would assume Kahn will be back as GK. Has he announced anything yet? Any predictions? Mine is Germany 3-1.

No roster changes but I guess he will change the lineup. He should finally include Borowski from the beginning. I predict this lineup:

----------------------Kahn---------------------

Owomoyela----Metzelder----Huth----------Lahm

----Frings----Ballack----Borowski---Schweinsteiger

---------------Hanke-------Podolski--------------

My guess is a boring 2:0 for Germany. goals by Ballack and Klose who comes in at the 54th minute for a dissapointing Podolski.

The Klose goal will be like this: Owomoyela goes past two players and passes wide to Frings who then directly passes in the middle to Borowski who delivers the ball with a back-heel pass to Klose who lifts the ball past the goalkeeper. Beautiful goal in a very boring match.

[Beatfan]

USA's hot
Germany's not

German have home field advantage.

An exciting game ensues in which both teams play brilliant ball and both keepers shine.

0-0 tie.

[prymetyme]

I had a dream last night where Germany beat the US 1-0. On a header by Klose in the 42nd minute into the top right hand corner. Thats my prediction

[AGF Aarhus]

No roster changes but I guess he will change the lineup. He should finally include Borowski from the beginning. I predict this lineup:

----------------------Kahn---------------------

Owomoyela----Metzelder----Huth----------Lahm

----Frings----Ballack----Borowski---Schweinsteiger

---------------Hanke-------Podolski--------------
Chelsea has an FA Cup match the same night. I don't think Huth will be in Dortmund.

[prymetyme]

no huth?

if we win this match that might be a sign for klinsi that huth shouldnt be playing on his squad

[JeffS]

No roster changes but I guess he will change the lineup. He should finally include Borowski from the beginning. I predict this lineup:

----------------------Kahn---------------------

Owomoyela----Metzelder----Huth----------Lahm

----Frings----Ballack----Borowski---Schweinsteiger

---------------Hanke-------Podolski--------------

My guess is a boring 2:0 for Germany. goals by Ballack and Klose who comes in at the 54th minute for a dissapointing Podolski.

The Klose goal will be like this: Owomoyela goes past two players and passes wide to Frings who then directly passes in the middle to Borowski who delivers the ball with a back-heel pass to Klose who lifts the ball past the goalkeeper. Beautiful goal in a very boring match.

If that is the line up Klinsmann goes with I predict that either Taylor Twellman, Landon Donovan, or Clint Dempsey will get a hat trick, with the USA winning 4-1.

First, that line up lacks a true defensive mid. All the midfielders there are attack oriented. Frings can play defensive mid, but it's not his best position - he usually either plays on the right or attacking mid.

Second, the center backs are Metzelder and Huth. Metzelder is not in the form he had pre-achillies injury, and he's not playing first team soccer (Brzenska starts ahead of him for Dortmund). Huth is young and slow and hardly ever plays for Chelsea, and consistently gets burned at international level.

Third, Klinsmann's tactics push the wing backs forward frequently (something both Owo and Lahm are good at), leaving the slow, not in good form, not playing much, not having a good defensive mid in front of them, Metzelder and Huth constantly exposed.

These three things combine to produce a perfect recipe for tons of scoring opportunities and goals for the opposition.

Really, if Germany is going to have any chance at all with any half way decent teams, or especially upper-echelon teams like Italy (who just demolished Germany), Klinsmann is going to have to drastically alter his line up and tactics.

First, as has been frequently stated in other threads, it would probably be best to go with a 3-5-2 system, featuring a back three with players that start for their clubs (and are in form), and featuring at least one, but preferably two, true defensive mids to play in front of them. This would provide solid play in the middle of defense, good support in front of them (with the defensive mids), and would free up the wingers and Ballack to attack at will.

My line-up would be:

------------------- Kahn or Lehmann ------------------

------ ---Friedrich ------ Mertesacker ------ Farenhorst

Frings ----------- Kehl ------------ Hamann ------------- Lahm

------------------------ Ballack ---------------------------------

---------------- Poldolski ------------- Klose ----------------

This line-up would have versatility. In the back, it would be OK to have Huth as a back up, and throw in Nowotny, who's been playing well. A back up defensive mid would be Baumann (or he could start head of one of the others). On the wings, you could have Schneider, Deisler, Owomoyela on the right and Schweinsteiger, Borowski, Ernst, on left. Backing up Ballack could be Frings or Schneider or Schweinsteiger. Backing up the strikers could be Asamoah, Hanke, Nueville, Kuranyi, or Brdaric.

The main thing would be true defensive coverage, with the middle clogged up with true in-form defenders and defensive mids (all five of those guys - Friedrich, Mertesacker, Farenhorst, Kehl, and Hamann, start regularily for their clubs, are playing well, and some are even getting champions league experience). And I think Klinsmann's attacking tactics need not be sacrificied with this scheme because Ballack and the wingers are more freed up to do what they do so well.

As for the USA, I'm not worried at all about their tactics because Bruce Arena is a really smart cookie. They will, however, be starting a mostly MLS line-up, and thus won't be full strength. But the MLS guys are pretty darn good, too (I already mentioned Twellman, Donovan, Dempsey).

I'll root for the USA first, but Germany are my second favorite team. I hope it's a good game, that the MLS guys play well, and that Klinsmann wakes up to his team's massive defensive holes.