Im digusted...

[listen_up_fergie]

I find it incredibly pompous of you to single me out in all this, I already know how to acquire information, if I feel like I made an assumption which needs backing up I'll gladly put it up

You mean like when you said:

Regardless of what model flew into the towers, it shouldn't have gone down so fast and the way it did.

It's good that you're trying to be open-minded SirManc, but I think sometimes people tend to paradoxically stray towards bigotism when being too open-minded.

[SirManchester]

http://www.serendipity.li/wot/other_fires/other_fires.htm

can you get off my back now?

[prymetyme]

It's always difficult to reason with you because you always tend to go around what someone responds to you with. To clarify things, this is exactly what you said : "Im just saying what Ive read and what Ive been told. What I learned and experienced that day changed me and from that day I became a strong Bush supporter"

Second, I don't accept all conspiracy theories, look back a page or two, where I specifically said I don't believe them all, in fact I wrote off the video this thread was based on. I never doubted any of the designers nor have I ever called them out, so I'm not sure where you're going with that. I never forced my views over you.

And yes, I do believe that our administration would actually go through the long and complex process of constructing this attack, if that was really in their interest. How else are they going to stage something this big? the ysure as hell aren't gonna talk it up over the weekend.
And I should have accepted that typical enthnocentric "get out of america if you don't like it" crap from you. Hell, if anything, all I'm asking is to be more aware and try to understand all perspectives. Then again, you're just a kid too. you're right I shouldn't be the one wasting my time on you.


If its difficult to reason with me, then it must be difficult to reason with the facts. Im telling you the facts, while your believeing that our Goverment wanted to kill 3,000 people. Why dont you believe the people who build the towers? Is there something wrong with a credible source proving you wrong?
And you forgot to mention the rest of what I said. You called me out for accepting whatever Im told which is bullshit. I dont, and Im not so dont say I am. I dont know how to get this to you that there was no missles shot into the pentagon, no planned imposions (in the video they turned the coloring around to "see" them but it might have just been some debris falling out a window) your Goverment doesnt hate you, and didnt plan this.

As much as some pieces fit togather, its just to un realistic. How are they going to get every single person who took part in this never to speak of it again? If I was an air traffic controler, I wouldnt have the heart to let this happen and any American wouldnt.

[prymetyme]

http://www.serendipity.li/wot/other_fires/other_fires.htm

can you get off my back now?
No.
Call me crazy but im going to trust the BBC,CNN, and Engineers, instead of a sight that says America is:
A Terroist State, A Corrupt Republic, and We have a Drive for World Domination.
I didnt mention how credible the sight looks, and the fact they forgot to mention that a 757 hit the side of the tower carry 10000 gallons of jetfuel, going 600 miles per hour (thats not JUST a fire.)
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/1540044.stm
http://archives.cnn.com/2001/COMMUNITY/09/13/rittenhouse.cnna/
http://architecture.about.com/library/weekly/aawtc-collapse.htm

[benni...]

Im not a biggot, but I agree with some of Sirmancs post.

This country is getting more corrupt and corrupt by the months and years.

I am not sure of all the facts and Im finding them out, now,with all your links. But its hard to believe anybody.

What about the fire fighters who heard explosions in the lower floors of the buildings?

[SirManchester]

If its difficult to reason with me, then it must be difficult to reason with the facts. Im telling you the facts, while your believeing that our Goverment wanted to kill 3,000 people. Why dont you believe the people who build the towers? Is there something wrong with a credible source proving you wrong?
And you forgot to mention the rest of what I said. You called me out for accepting whatever Im told which is bullshit. I dont, and Im not so dont say I am. I dont know how to get this to you that there was no missles shot into the pentagon, no planned imposions (in the video they turned the coloring around to "see" them but it might have just been some debris falling out a window) your Goverment doesnt hate you, and didnt plan this.

As much as some pieces fit togather, its just to un realistic. How are they going to get every single person who took part in this never to speak of it again? If I was an air traffic controler, I wouldnt have the heart to let this happen and any American wouldnt.

I DON"T DISAGREE WITH THE PEOPLE WHO BUILT THE TOWERS!!! JEEZ!!!!! Remember when I talked about the interview with the designer?
Also, to actually think your government is completely trustworthy without any type of agenda is just ignorant. And you know what, if that's the path you want to take, I'm respectful of it. You think whatever you want to think. Maybe when you're older you're going to think differently. That's the end of that.

[prymetyme]

I never said they didnt have an agenda, all I said was that they didnt initiate, or have anything to do with the attacks of september 11th.

[SirManchester]

I never said they didnt have an agenda, all I said was that they didnt initiate, or have anything to do with the attacks of september 11th.

like I said, maybe you'll start to become curious in the future and then you can attempt to fit all the pieces together.

[benni...]

I never said they didnt have an agenda, all I said was that they didnt initiate, or have anything to do with the attacks of september 11th.


Allowing it to happen is just as bad as initiating it.

[prymetyme]

Allowing it to happen is just as bad as initiating it.

well i guess i didnt make myself clear enough lol, i dont believe for one minute that the bush administration had any hand or knew about anything of any signifigance (you know what i mean when I say that) about the attacks.

[StrikerCW]

Sorry to bring this sore topic up again, but I had some questions as I have recently gotten into some discussions about this.

Are there any relativelly non-biased info on the twin towers and the #7?

I mean everything I can find either is definatelly one way or the other. I can find nothing that explores both in any depth. They always just point out their side facts only..

[Stud83]

Here is a video, containing various statements from conspiracy theorists (part 1, there are 4 more parts)...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6uFNBpjZCI4
Deals with the tower collapse closer to the end...

If that doesn't convince you that all of those conspiracy theorists are just trying to make money off the tragedy, I don't know what will.

[SirManchester]

And for the record, not everyone who happens to question either the government's involvement in 9/11 or the events surrounding 9/11 is trying to make money off it.

[StrikerCW]

I don't want to start up any more arguements between anyone (on this site at least) just looking for more information.

That was an interesting video, Stud. Slightly biased, but nonetheless pretty good.

[mhtwins113]

Came late to the party on this absurd thread.

http://www.lolloosechange.co.nr/

Download the analysis and watch the movie if you want, I've given both the most rudimentary skim but neither a full viewing. You can draw your own conclusions, as clearly many of you have.

[StrikerCW]

Came late to the party on this absurd thread.

http://www.lolloosechange.co.nr/

Download the analysis and watch the movie if you want, I've given both the most rudimentary skim but neither a full viewing. You can draw your own conclusions, as clearly many of you have.
Am curretly reading a point-by-point discussion/transcript of the video.