Im digusted...

[prymetyme]

im 12 in, and honestly i just dont think Bush would let this happen. This is all crazy and convincing stuff but i dont know one american who would let this happen

[SirManchester]

There are numerous similar documentaries working around similar conspiracy theories. Now the question remains; do I buy it all? No, however I do believe 9-11 was government orchestrated and there are hundreds of plotholes that have been covered up. benni, if you want better info on this, PM me.

[Howard Zinn]

For ******** sakes, I'm calling bullshit on this whole damn thread right now.

[SirManchester]

For ******** sakes, I'm calling bullshit on this whole damn thread right now.

keep your pants on and look at the bigger picture.

[gazza]

Here is a guy who explains it the other way. Maybe if he had a slick hollywood production you'd believe him.

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread79655/pg1

You have to think if this was a governmant conspiracy could as many people that would be needed to pull it off keep secret. I doubt it. Even if they could, do you think that the government would be intelligent enough to be able to. I doubt it. And what would be the point? To what end?

[Bluto11]

The worker, a month or so after the attack, saw a ten wheel truck with the gold loaded on in the back, as well as cars, in a transport tunnel under another building (world trade center 5) but the gold apparantly belonged to world trade center 4. The trucks were moving in a direction away from ground zero.

This is all accordin to the video.
this is what i found after googling "9/11 gold"


http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/evidence/gold.html

[benni...]

im 12 in, and honestly i just dont think Bush would let this happen. This is all crazy and convincing stuff but i dont know one american who would let this happen

As dumb as Bush is, I wouldnt put anything past him.

Also, I believe there are people in the world that would do things like that for money. As in plan those 9/11 attacks.

Why have I all of a sudden started becoming paranoid. I have this strange feeling now that these authorities are coming to destroy my hard drive, and take me away, but little do they know I have copies burned on DVDR hidden.... LMAO this has made me crazy...

[littleman]

I think some conspiracy theories are REALLY quite far fetched, yes.

But I am suprised at all this pseudo intellectualism -everywhere- that's dismissing ALL government sorts of cover-ups. If you think that there's nothing the government knows, or does behind the backs of civilians, you are being quite silly. After all, see the shit they pulled for the Vietnam war (including the exposed memos that were circulated that spoke of civilian protests as being ignorant, as treating lives of their soldiers as dispensable.. etc).

Morale of the story; keep on your toes. Always be aware of the government. Civilians need to monitor the government as much as the government needs to monitor its civilians.

[benni...]

Here is a guy who explains it the other way. Maybe if he had a slick hollywood production you'd believe him.

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread79655/pg1

You have to think if this was a governmant conspiracy could as many people that would be needed to pull it off keep secret. I doubt it. Even if they could, do you think that the government would be intelligent enough to be able to. I doubt it. And what would be the point? To what end?

For the money. Thats just my hypothesis.

Let me answer one of your questions.... I do not think the Govt. were intelligent enough to cover everything up, hence all the questions asked, that went unanswered.

[gazza]

I think some conspiracy theories are REALLY quite far fetched, yes.

But I am suprised at all this pseudo intellectualism -everywhere- that's dismissing ALL government sorts of cover-ups. If you think that there's nothing the government knows, or does behind the backs of civilians, you are being quite silly. After all, see the shit they pulled for the Vietnam war (including the exposed memos that were circulated that spoke of civilian protests as being ignorant, as treating lives of their soldiers as dispensable.. etc).

Morale of the story; keep on your toes. Always be aware of the government. Civilians need to monitor the government as much as the government needs to monitor its civilians.


Of course the govt does "bad" things. But if you think the government crashed 2 planes into buildings in New York, 1 plane into the Pentagon and made another appear to crash when in actuality it was unloaded in Cleveland, you need to stop looking over your shoulder for the man. He's not after you. ok? Does the CIA probably shuttle heroin to fund black ops? Sure, why not. But the 9/11 stuff is just garbage.

[prymetyme]

im 35 in now, i dont get what there trying to prove. there like someone shot a mistle at the pentagon, the world trade centers couldnt have fallen.

[gazza]

I do not think the Govt. were intelligent enough to cover everything up, hence all the questions asked, that went unanswered.


They are only unanswered are to the 3 producers of this show. If it had any legs the major networks would run with it. Unless of course they are in on it, which I doubt.

[gazza]

im 35 in now, i dont get what there trying to prove. there like someone shot a mistle at the pentagon, the world trade centers couldnt have fallen.


Keep watching. It's good to question things, just don't believe everything you see and read. Do a bit of research and use common sense and you'll come to your own conclusions. Maybe you'll believe maybe you won't but you'll be wiser.:)

[littleman]

Of course the govt does "bad" things. But if you think the government crashed 2 planes into buildings in New York, 1 plane into the Pentagon and made another appear to crash when in actuality it was unloaded in Cleveland, you need to stop looking over your shoulder for the man. He's not after you. ok? Does the CIA probably shuttle heroin to fund black ops? Sure, why not. But the 9/11 stuff is just garbage.

You far too easily draw the line between conspiracy and fact.

Sure, the 9/11 stuff is probably rubbish, but if you don't keep your mind at least open to the possibility that it isn't, then you are being a fool.

[benni...]

They are only unanswered are to the 3 producers of this show. If it had any legs the major networks would run with it. Unless of course they are in on it, which I doubt.

Maybe a major network doesnt want to run with it, because they dont want to ruin themselves over speculation, or questions. Im not saying I believe all of that, but the questions and facts presented in this clip make some sense.

Im currently lreading about 4 websites that basically feel the same way. Its either, the Govt knew about this, the Govt trained people to carry out these exercises, or something else.

They give you questions, that make you think harder...like what did happen with the recorder boxes? and such.

[gazza]

You far too easily draw the line between conspiracy and fact.

Sure, the 9/11 stuff is probably rubbish, but if you don't keep your mind at least open to the possibility that it isn't, then you are being a fool.


Thats where your wrong. I listen and I watch but if you swallow that pile of junk then you are a fool. I most certainly believe the government does under handed things, dispicable in fact. Right out of high school I went into the military and I was involved with training foreign troops on handling of prisoners. Believe me I know exactly what the government is capable of. This is a load of crap, in my opinion.

[benni...]

Well i respect your opinion, but tell me...in your opinion ofcourse... how a 757 only leaves damage so small?

[Republic of Mancunia]

So why havnt they let the people see, or acknowledged any of the footage on the tapes? The tapes taht were seized minutes after the explision.

There could be many reasons. There may not have been any tapes in the first place, the documentary makers and/or gas station employees could be lying in an attempt to gain money/fame etc. I know that America is supposed to be the land of the free and all that but they don't have to release absolutely everything, some things, especially things pertaining to national security are classified. Maybe they thought it wasn't important enough and that they were too busy trying to track down the perpetrators? Perhaps Bush taped over it with Family Guy by mistake? Perhaps they are trying to hide something, I'll at least acknowledge that or maybe the tapes showed a huge lapse in security that they were too embarrassed to admit to?

They are all possible answers and I can think of many more.

So how do you explain that hole, and a big 757 Beoing crashing into it? The hole was relatively smaller than a 757. Not to mention, the engines didnt leave any damage.

I can't. I'm not an air crash investigator. I doubt the filmakers are either. Can't remember if they used an expert to support this argument in the film or not but as OJ knows, an expert will say anything if given the right kind of money.

What was in the crate then? Why cant we know?

As much as we all dislike it, governments don't have to tell us everything. I wouldn't expect any government official to release details to me about the IRA bombs that hit over here a few years back. Some things are top secret and will always stay that way. A transparent government that reveals everything would be nice but they wouldn't last very long. My guess though... an engine.

How do you explain the secondary explosions, or the numerous explosions after the plane hit, that people heard.
Explain to me what was happening under ground with the Gold that people saw.

I'll have to watch it again over the weekend as it's been at least 6 months since I saw it and I don't actually recall those parts, sorry.

It could well be that the government is trying to hide certain things but why did the documentary makers automatically conclude that every unanswered question was a cover-up when there are/were many other plausible explanations? If they'd have come on and said that it was one possible explanation and then offered alternatives it might have got me thinking more.

It seemed that the makers of this were so desperate to prove that it was an attack on America perpetrated by it's own that it lost a little perspective at times. The use of the word "tyrants" to describe the government was really something that stuck with me in respect to this and it's probably a flaw of mine but if I'm told to think one way I'll automatically rebel and think the other which is ironically what the docu-makers are trying to get their audience to do but the other way around. It's like if a preacher/ jehovas witness knocks on your door and tries to force religion down your throat...... my initial reaction is to dismiss it automatically I'm afraid.

I'm still not having it that some of the terrorists are working for Saudi Air, flying planes as we speak , now that was a bit silly.

[Achtung]

I'm not going to name names, but there are some really, really, really dumb things being said in this thread. I'll leave it at that until my sanity forces me to do otherwise.

[Numquam Moribimur]

It basically reveals the US officials for who they really are in regards to 9/11. They show how the US higher powers killed all those people in the Twin towers, all for money... around $10 billion worth of gold, that belonged to other countries.

The one part that stood out for me was when a civilian tried to go into the tunnels underneath the buildings, and how he saw trucks, and cars full of Gold, and US Military personel threatened to shoot him if he didnt go away.

There is a lot more to it.


Are you trying to tell me The US Govt has something to do with 9/11....plz tell me your not:(