Kahn or Lehmann?

[Jaison]

Too late and I can't be bothered reading all of this just now, but here's my take. With Kahn you get great experience, leadership and reliability. With Lehmann you just don't get that and he is always liable to making a crazy error or stupidly getting involved when he isn't required. Although he has been steady this season and we haven't seen the former, we have definitely seen the same amount of the latter. I certainly wouldn't take the risk with Jens, particularly with the stakes this high. It just isn't worth it.

Kahn has made as many blunders and howlers as Lehmann has. Neither are immune in making such mistakes.

[scorpio81]

i have to say that while lehmann definitely deserves it based on form and performances, he just fails to bring his form to the international stage, while kahn seems to actually step it up during the same...

its a tough decision and like i said in another thread, im glad i dont have to make it...

[Teso Dos Bichos]

Kahn has made as many blunders and howlers as Lehmann has. Neither are immune in making such mistakes.

As a Schalke fan you would say that. Regardless, everyone makes mistakes but if you had to put a bet on either, the safe bet will always be on Kahn. Lehmann is barely in control of his own head, let alone the box.

[Jaison]

As a Schalke fan you would say that. Regardless, everyone makes mistakes but if you had to put a bet on either, the safe bet will always be on Kahn. Lehmann is barely in control of his own head, let alone the box.

No, I'm saying that as person who's watched both Kahn and Lehmann make blunders before. Both are still good keepers, and it's not like having Kahn start would be undesirable, but based on current form, I would prefer Lehmann between the pipes.


Lehmann is barely in control of his own head, let alone the box.

He's been sensational for Arsenal this year.

Plus, quite a few keepers are nutters. Toni Schumacher was a loose cannon, but was a very reliable keeper. Kahn isn't exactly all that with it either. I do remember him biting Heiko Herrlich.

[ForeverRed]

No, I'm saying that as person who's watched both Kahn and Lehmann make blunders before. Both are still good keepers, and it's not like having Kahn start would be undesirable, but based on current form, I would prefer Lehmann between the pipes.




He's been sensational for Arsenal this year.

Plus, quite a few keepers are nutters. Toni Schumacher was a loose cannon, but was a very reliable keeper. Kahn isn't exactly all that with it either. I do remember him biting Heiko Herrlich.

They're both nuts, but there is a reason they call him "Crazy Jens". I think Kahn tones it down a notch because he has to be a model leader for other players.

I wouldn't want Lehmann coming out of the box so wrecklessly as he does with Arsenal against a team like England or Sweden though.

[aloisius]

I don't think Klinsi has the balls to piss off DFB management or Franz for that matter and still think he'll go with Kahn no matter what.

People have been underestimating Klinnsmans balls from day 1.

If he does pick kahn it will be because he thinks that gives the team the best chance of successes.

Lehman is much quicker and more athletic than kahn these days.

[RABID]

Not much of an issue any longer. Kahn's form over the weekend was the worst of his entire career, and he is not healthy enough to even finish a game. He has obviously not recovered from his collision with Brdaric, and has completely lost his form during his layoff. Klinsi should give Enke the start in the next friendly, as he needs to get a second goalie ready to play in the Cup in the event that Kahn is not healthy and in good form by June.

[AllReD]

want to hear something, ive got the answer.

Let dem both play alternating halves during the group stage. That might help Klins make up his mind. All the questions about leadership and craziness would be answered.

Just freaking ridiculus that he hasnt picked one, and the fact that we're a few months away from the WC and still having this debate is not a good sign.

[The Old Lady Hertha]

Well, what happens if Lehmann has a bad game today? I dunno. It's becoming a bigger and bigger problem as they days go by.

[Teso Dos Bichos]

He's been sensational for Arsenal this year.

Plus, quite a few keepers are nutters. Toni Schumacher was a loose cannon, but was a very reliable keeper. Kahn isn't exactly all that with it either. I do remember him biting Heiko Herrlich.

He's also been very stupid. Coming out to fight with oppositions forwards, shoving players to the ground, diving, having a go at the officials... just a typical season from Jens. Do you really want to risk him losing the plot at the WC and putting you down to 10 men? If Kahn isn't in form then bring up someone else. The fact remains that Lehmann is a liability, whatever way you look at things.

[ohk4]

Well, what happens if Lehmann has a bad game today? I dunno. It's becoming a bigger and bigger problem as they days go by.
doesn't seem to be a problem in France with Coupet and Barthez. Didn't seem to be a problem in 2002 with Friedel and Keller.

The #1 will be chosen by training camp, which should be plenty of time for professionals to get ready. I don't see the big deal.

[The Old Lady Hertha]

doesn't seem to be a problem in France with Coupet and Barthez. Didn't seem to be a problem in 2002 with Friedel and Keller.

Well the media circus around this "problem" is MAKING it a problem. And thus it must be resolved.

[AGF Aarhus]

doesn't seem to be a problem in France with Coupet and Barthez. Didn't seem to be a problem in 2002 with Friedel and Keller.

The #1 will be chosen by training camp, which should be plenty of time for professionals to get ready. I don't see the big deal.
Agreed. Competition is always good. Let the two of them push each other to be better players. If one can't handle the competition, then he shouldn't be playing in the World Cup anyway.

There is no reason not to settle this, and other questions, in camp before the tourney starts. Although I will add that once the decision has been made, Klinsi needs to stick with it. All a rotation will do is hurt players' confidence.

[ohk4]

Well the media circus around this "problem" is MAKING it a problem. And thus it must be resolved.

I agree with your point about the media, but the decision will be made in due course.

[Psychosis hsv]

Really? I hadn't thought of that.
he may decide HILDEBRAND AS HIS NUMBER ONE

[The Old Lady Hertha]

he may decide HILDEBRAND AS HIS NUMBER ONE

Umm...no.:rolleyes:

There are other German gks that are better IMHO (Enke, Weidenfeller)

[arthur d]

he may decide HILDEBRAND AS HIS NUMBER ONE

You don't really know what sarcasm is. That indicates that you are a nice person. But you should really repair your caps lock key, it's got a life on its own.

[Psychosis hsv]

You don't really know what sarcasm is. That indicates that you are a nice person. But you should really repair your caps lock key, it's got a life on its own.
ok have heard you but the issue is? can Hildebrand be Germany's no 1
yes or no. because currently he is number 3 or the 3rd choice keeper

[AGF Aarhus]

can Hildebrand be Germany's no 1
yes or no.
No.

We can discuss if he should or shouldn't be, but I think everyone can agree that he will not be for this WC:

[The Old Lady Hertha]

He's just not good enough.