Cpsl on its last legs

[jayme2010]

There are rumors and concerns that the cpsl i on its last legs.To date only 6 teams have commited to the 2006 season.

[BringBackTheBlizzard]

Are you sure this isn't the usual false alarm at this time of year because a bunch of teams have not affiliated to a district association yet?

[jayme2010]

No the teams are sick of the way the league us going.This time it has to do more with the league then anything.

[the shelts]

Well to be honest I doubt anyone would be surprised at either jayme2010's dire warning or BringBackTheBlizzard's cautionary question about the annual impending doom rumour.

[Blizzard]

No the teams are sick of the way the league us going.This time it has to do more with the league then anything.

I'm amazed it's taken this long. I've been appalled by the league for years. It's been sad to see a lot of good money wasted.

At least the players had a place to play and some of them made some coin at the same time.

I'd not be surprised to see them scrape by for another season but I'd just question their reasons for doing so.

It'd be sad for the players but not much of a difference for spectators.

I would hope that long term franchises like Croatia, St. Catharines and London would manage to find a place to play though.

[HSEUPASSION]

Could they apply to USL?

[RichardFH]

Guess they could apply to the USL 2nd Div. the one I think used to be called the D3 Pro League. Don't know what the franchisee fees are but I gather the CPSL asked for around $75k which is probably comparable or even more than the USL wants at this level. Then there's some guy in Buffalo who is trying to start an independent co-op style cross border league alternative to the CPSL. He has been posting on Voyageurs.

[BringBackTheBlizzard]

Could they apply to USL?

Could be difficult because most of the teams are within the Lynx's existing USL franchise rights area and there are a lot of politics to be negotiated at the OSA level on that before permission to play out the province can be obtained. Some of these CPSL teams are joke outfits anyway. I doubt very much that the USL would even want them. Despite the grandiose name and the pro registration form some of the players sign this is basically an elite Toronto area amateur league more analogous to the Cosmopolitan League in New York or the NSL in Chicago than to Pro Division 3 or whatever it's called right now. It isn't genuinely pro level soccer where soccer is the player's main source of income during the season and the players train during the regular 9 to 5 work day. There may be some substance to this rumour this time because the imminent arrival of MLS (fingers crossed) may finally have woken a few delusional Walter Mitty types up to the reality that the CPSL will never be anything more than it is now.

[Blizzard]

Could be difficult because most of the teams are within the Lynx's existing USL franchise rights area and there are a lot of politics to be negotiated at the OSA level on that before permission to play out the province can be obtained. Some of these CPSL teams are joke outfits anyway. I doubt very much that the USL would even want them. Despite the grandiose name and the pro registration form some of the players sign this is basically an elite Toronto area amateur league more analogous to the Cosmopolitan League in New York or the NSL in Chicago than to Pro Division 3 or whatever it's called right now. It isn't genuinely pro level soccer where soccer is the player's main source of income during the season and the players train during the regular 9 to 5 work day. There may be some substance to this rumour this time because the imminent arrival of MLS (fingers crossed) may finally have woken a few delusional Walter Mitty types up to the reality that the CPSL will never be anything more than it is now.

Ya, politics. Wonderful! The other "P" word is of course "Professional".

It's sad to look back through the years and see how the lower levels of the so-called professional game have spun their wheels or actually gone backwards. We had the NSL for a long time and the top teams did ok and many survived but it disappeared in the CSL "merger" with the Rockets and Fury coming on board but that really was the kiss of death. The NSL lost its identity in an attempt to become bigger. Bad choices leading to disaster. A few years of CNSL and then it's gone only for the CPSL to emerge with high hopes but little basis in reality and it has spun its wheels and sprayed its mud in all directions.

Then they try the ethnic division, their last gasp and it too seems to be going nowhere.

It makes one long for the days of the old NSL. At least there was some passion.

[GetGame]

The CPSL executive went before the OSA board of directors today, so they are at least still breathing.

I believe the issue mentioned earlier about their teams having to register with a District Association was the topic.

[GetGame]

FYI,

The CPSL is holding a Press Release on Thursday to announce their newest team in the International Division - Serbian White Eagles

[BringBackTheBlizzard]

FYI,

The CPSL is holding a Press Release on Thursday to announce their newest team in the International Division - Serbian White Eagles

Toronto Croatia vs Serbian White Eagles. Hmmm, that fixture could be interesting. :eek: I guess we'll find out soon enough but I assume the team will be based in Hamilton?

[the shelts]

Ya that Croatia vs Serbia game will be more like WW3.

I was a Canadian UN peacekeeper in Bosnia with the PPCLI and the name White Eagles goes back years. but during the war they was a Paramilitary unit called the White Eagles that was 2nd only to Arkans' Tigers. They were one of the groups that bought into the 'ethnic cleasning' idea. Unless Toronto Croatia changes their name to Ustache, I think we can safely say the White Eagles will have the most non-PC name in sports.

I would imagine the police will be out in force. About 5 years ago the Australian league had names like this and they told the teams to stop using imflammatory names. The fans were running at each other with flagpoles like a jouster.

[USvsIRELAND]

I was a Canadian UN peacekeeper in Bosnia with the PPCLI

DANG :eek:

the name White Eagles goes back years. but during the war they was a Paramilitary unit called the White Eagles that was 2nd only to Arkans' Tigers. They were one of the groups that bought into the 'ethnic cleasning' idea. Unless Toronto Croatia changes their name to Ustache, I think we can safely say the White Eagles will have the most non-PC name in sports.

DANG :eek:


I would imagine the police will be out in force. About 5 years ago the Australian league had names like this and they told the teams to stop using imflammatory names. The fans were running at each other with flagpoles like a jouster.

DANG :eek:

[Mr. Hilter]

I would imagine the police will be out in force. About 5 years ago the Australian league had names like this and they told the teams to stop using imflammatory names. The fans were running at each other with flagpoles like a jouster.

Police should stay home and let the CPSL deal with the aftermath of their stupidity.

[the shelts]

Police should stay home and let the CPSL deal with the aftermath of their stupidity.

thats easy to say on a internet web forum. First time somebody gets hurt or if the media can get video of 40 Croats fighting 40 Serbs in a metro Toronto stadium with a soccer game going on in the background........guess what?

The cops won't be staying at home and waiting for the CPSL to 'sort it out'

[Mr. Hilter]

thats easy to say on a internet web forum. First time somebody gets hurt or if the media can get video of 40 Croats fighting 40 Serbs in a metro Toronto stadium with a soccer game going on in the background........guess what?

The cops won't be staying at home and waiting for the CPSL to 'sort it out'

Where else do you wan't me to say it, this is a web forum where it is being discussed, and your point is....?

[BringBackTheBlizzard]

Ya that Croatia vs Serbia game will be more like WW3.

I was a Canadian UN peacekeeper in Bosnia with the PPCLI and the name White Eagles goes back years. but during the war they was a Paramilitary unit called the White Eagles that was 2nd only to Arkans' Tigers. They were one of the groups that bought into the 'ethnic cleasning' idea. Unless Toronto Croatia changes their name to Ustache, I think we can safely say the White Eagles will have the most non-PC name in sports.

I don't think the name is necessarily automatically a paramilitary one. A two headed eagle has been a Serb symbol for centuries (in the same sort of way as the Canadian Maple Leaf) and the name Serbian White Eagles was used in the NSL long before the breakup of Yugoslavia. An eagle often tends to be a Slavic symbol FWIW. Polish teams sometimes use the name White Eagles as well based on their traditional one headed eagle symbol, which is probably why this new CPSL team felt the need to specify Serbian.

I would imagine the police will be out in force. About 5 years ago the Australian league had names like this and they told the teams to stop using imflammatory names. The fans were running at each other with flagpoles like a jouster.

Changing team names makes absolutely no difference IMO. Preston Lions vs South Melbourne Lakers still causes rioting in Melborne the same way it did when it was Macedonia vs Hellas. Same applies with Bonyrigg White Eagles versus Sydney United after Sydney Croatia's name change:-

http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2002/09/15/1032054710892.html
http://www.kstp.com/article/stories/S6981.html?cat=1

which brings us to whether Toronto Macedonia and Panhellenic will be resurrected as well. :eek:

There is no doubt that the move to an ethnic based league could cause some problems but the flip side of that is that if it generates genuine fan interest it could help kickstart semi-pro level soccer again in southern Ontario to the point that teams actually start paying their players a decent amount of money and start bringing in quality players from Europe and South America etc etc. The CPSL was going nowhere fast but there was a time about 20 years ago when crowds of 2000 were nothing out of the ordinary in the old ethnic based NSL for that level of soccer.

[the shelts]

...............my point is hilter, was what you wrote, that if you think the cops should just stay away and let the CPSL 'sort it out' as you said, I think the cops will have other ideas.

I didn't say you should say it on another medium, just that the idea of hoping the CPSL will sort it out sounds great on a net forum but isn't practical.

Maybe the CPSL is banking on bad publicity is better than no publicity

[the shelts]

I don't think the name is necessarily automatically a paramilitary one

I never said it was solely a paramilitary one. I agree it goes back a number of years, just that the most recent incarnation of the name White Eagles in the former Yugoslavia was these bunch of paramilitary lunatics. They were called the Chetniks too, this is about the same as a group of african americans calling themselves ________ (insert N-bomb here).

My argument is that what the term white eagles means to Croats, Vojvodians, Macedonias, Montenegrins, Slovenes, Kosovars and Bosnian Muslims is a term that we would equate to a German team calling themselves Bavaria SS.

By the way, I disliked them all over there, thought one side was as bad as the next and certainly have no good memory of the Croats. All any Canadian need do is punch PPCLI and Medak Pocket into google to see why.