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Edwin Thorne

13 Feb 2006, 03:00 PM

kofi86

13 Mar 2006, 01:29 PM

earn more than 3 points would definately not be a good wc for CIV.
i know they have a strong group, but they should aim for the quarters (considering that their next opposition comes from group d)

ilovefotball

13 Mar 2006, 04:24 PM

earn more than 3 points would definately not be a good wc for CIV.
i know they have a strong group, but they should aim for the quarters (considering that their next opposition comes from group d)

earning 3 points will definitly be a good WC for CIV as they will be playing in the same group with 2 footballing gaints. if they make it to Quater than it will be dream WC for them not just good.

ready19

13 Mar 2006, 04:50 PM

argentina: quarter final
nertherland: quarter final

but argentina will probably go further since i think they are stronger than nertherland

kofi86

13 Mar 2006, 11:18 PM

earning 3 points will definitly be a good WC for CIV as they will be playing in the same group with 2 footballing gaints. if they make it to Quater than it will be dream WC for them not just good.

CIV has a strong squad and if making it to the quarters would be a dream wc, making it out of the group with be like christmas for the usa.

ilovefotball

14 Mar 2006, 06:15 AM

CIV has a strong squad and if making it to the quarters would be a dream wc, making it out of the group with be like christmas for the usa.

i agree it is same for the US to get through the group stage as it is for CIV but CIV has less chances. CIV has strong squad but Netherlands and and Argentina both have better squad.

kofi86

14 Mar 2006, 01:52 PM

i agree it is same for the US to get through the group stage as it is for CIV but CIV has less chances. CIV has strong squad but Netherlands and and Argentina both have better squad.

CIV has better chances, because they have a better squad than Ghana/USA. additionally Italy has a better squad than Holland/Argentina. furthermore Holland and Argentina have a long tradition of not living up to their full potencial.

ilovefotball

15 Mar 2006, 07:42 AM

CIV has better chances, because they have a better squad than Ghana/USA. additionally Italy has a better squad than Holland/Argentina. furthermore Holland and Argentina have a long tradition of not living up to their full potencial.

Prove me that Italy has a better squad than Argentina.

kofi86

15 Mar 2006, 09:09 AM

Prove me that Italy has a better squad than Argentina.

hm just take a look at the historic results and then take a look at recent results.
italy>argentina is common sense, if you don't agree with this one you are the one who has the burden of proof

ilovefotball

15 Mar 2006, 10:45 AM

hm just take a look at the historic results and then take a look at recent results.
italy>argentina is common sense, if you don't agree with this one you are the one who has the burden of proof

when u said italy has a better squad, it has to be better players in that squad than that of Argentina these days. Anyways, history shows that Italy has done better than Argentina but this doesnot make any sense when it comes to having good squad right now.

kofi86

15 Mar 2006, 06:36 PM

when u said italy has a better squad, it has to be better players in that squad than that of Argentina these days. Anyways, history shows that Italy has done better than Argentina but this doesnot make any sense when it comes to having good squad right now.

and what about my point of recent results? 4-1 against germany? 3-1 IN holland?

BSjanitor

15 Mar 2006, 09:32 PM

Argentina
good: semifinals
bad: out in round of 16 or group stage
my prediction: win group, knocked out in quarterfinals

Netherlands
good: quarterfinals
bad: anything less than quarterfinals
my prediction: third in group

Serbia & Montenegro
good: just advancing
bad: no wins
my prediction: last in group

Ivory Coast
good: making it out of group
bad: three losses
my prediction: last 16

ilovefotball

16 Mar 2006, 07:41 AM

and what about my point of recent results? 4-1 against germany? 3-1 IN holland?

this doesn't still shows that Italy has better squad than Argentina. You might say Argentina lost to Croatia but still it won't prove that Argentina have bad squad. when you say good squad then in every position of the field or in average , team needs to have better player than the other teams.

kofi86

17 Mar 2006, 12:53 PM

this doesn't still shows that Italy has better squad than Argentina. You might say Argentina lost to Croatia but still it won't prove that Argentina have bad squad. when you say good squad then in every position of the field or in average , team needs to have better player than the other teams.

and how do you judge the players? yes, by their performances. it is not that important how a player performs for his club, because a good club player don't has to be a good national player and vice versa. (just look at the czechs).
so the recent results of italy against top teams compared to the results of argentina show that they are better than them (not only the results, but their whole performance)

Latin Pride

19 Mar 2006, 02:21 PM

Argentina
My Prediction: quaterfinals
Good: Semifinalists
Bad: group stage exit

Netherlands
My Prediction: round of 16
Good: semis
Bad: group stage exit

Serbia and Montenegro
My Prediction: group stage exit
Good: quarterfinals
Bad: group stage exit

Ivory Coast
My Prediction: group stage exit
Good: win a game
Bad: 3 and out

ToonUSA

19 Mar 2006, 04:43 PM

For the teams in Group C, what do you think would constitute a good and/or bad WC performance.

Argentina
My Prediction: Advance to Round of 16. and Final 8
Good: Semifinalists
Bad: Fail to make it out of Group play

Netherlands
My Prediction: Win Group and Semifinalists
Good: Last 8
Bad:Fail to make it out of Group play

Serbia and Montenegro
My Prediction: Fail to Advance.
Good: Earn more than 3 points.
Bad: Earn no points.

Ivory Coast
My Prediction: Fail to Advance.
Good: Earn more than 3 points.
Bad: Earn no points.
Every team's goal is to advance so I don't think anyone is just satisfied with getting X amount of points.

I also don't know if it is easy or right to try to predict what would be successful/not successful. The only success is winning the cup.

Argentina
My Prediction: Crash out in group stage... again.
Good: Win it all
Bad: Not winning it all

Netherlands
My Prediction: Win Group
Good: Win it all
Bad:Not winning it all

Serbia and Montenegro
My Prediction: Advance.
Good: Win it all
Bad: Not winning it all

Ivory Coast
My Prediction: Fail to advance.
Good: Win it all
Bad: Not winning it all

ilovefotball

20 Mar 2006, 04:09 AM

and how do you judge the players? yes, by their performances. it is not that important how a player performs for his club, because a good club player don't has to be a good national player and vice versa. (just look at the czechs).
so the recent results of italy against top teams compared to the results of argentina show that they are better than them (not only the results, but their whole performance)

so if you want to judge the performance of the team then Italy shgould play against England and Croatia and Argentina should play against Netherlands and Germany, then only the better squad will be known according to your theory.

Anyways when you said better squad, Argentina is crumbling right now but they have still the 2nd best squad in the world, if not the best.

Plavi

21 Mar 2006, 12:24 PM

Why is everyone so down on Serbia, did no one see them keep Spain to a draw in Madrid no less, they have a team with a very good shot of advancing from the group stage, Holland is not the team they once were and neither is Argentina and at the least one of these two teams will fall to Serbia, we have a team that goes out there and plays with heart everytime no matter who it is so don't count us out so quick.

kofi86

22 Mar 2006, 08:32 AM

Anyways when you said better squad, Argentina is crumbling right now but they have still the 2nd best squad in the world, if not the best.

actually i wanted to answer you and continue this discussion, but with that bold part you just showed that one can not take you serious.

johan neeskens

22 Mar 2006, 09:40 AM

Van Basten said the only performance he'll be pleased with is a world cup win. He'll be disappointed with anything else. As for me personally, I just want them too play to their potential and not to lose silly penalty shoot-outs. If their best is not good enough then so be it.

That said, once we get past the group stage it's a fairly do-able path to the final - either England or Germany in the quarters doesn't scare us fans much at all. There's only one real favourite and that's Brazil, we're on a par with most other sides.