Man United NSR Politics thread

[Stud83]

It was as predictable as it gets. Basically copy and paste from last year's speech.

[Numquam Moribimur]

sorry but that's not a good reason. Has he justified your vote? I doubt it, what policies of his do you actually support?!
:confused:

you know what, answer this in the politics thread.


your right it might not be the best of the reason but for me i hold it highly ...yes bush has not been the best pres but he has got a bad rap , the country is so far divided its sad.

[SirManchester]

[QUOTE=SirManchester]sorry but that's not a good reason. Has he justified your vote? I doubt it, what policies of his do you actually support?!
:confused:

you know what, answer this in the politics thread.[/QUOTE


your right it might not be the best of the reason but for me i hold it highly ...yes bush has not been the best pres but he has got a bad rap , the country is so far divided its sad.


He's got a bad rap because of the decisions he has made, no reason to still back him up still...I mean its your decision to make in the end, but I find this very often in Americans I meet, they aren't really educated about their country's politics. I suggest you read into his policies, how they've affected all Americans, and the administration's foreign policy. It's amazing what you can find.

[Sapphire]

There was something he talked about that I don't think he's ever mentioned before. Something about promoting competitiveness in education I think; can't remember what it's called. I get scared when he gets close to things I care about like education, I start hearing *snip snip snip*

[Howard Zinn]

This guy is the president of the ********in United States!!! either you guys are just easily impressed or you have lowered yoru standards because you expect your politicians to come off as ignorant kids.

I agree with the latter though.


What do you want him to do, speak like Pushkin wrote? The guy got up, said what he needed to say for his own political reasons, and did a damn good job of it. He's not depending on the college-educated (book smart) people of this country for votes for his party. He's playing to people that don't want to look in a dictionary to understand a speech. You may think that's sad, but Bush understands what he is doing.

Thank you.

[Numquam Moribimur]

There was something he talked about that I don't think he's ever mentioned before. Something about promoting competitiveness in education I think; can't remember what it's called. I get scared when he gets close to things I care about like education, I start hearing *snip snip snip*


Sapphire ..do you think the " no child left behind act " is right ?

[Howard Zinn]

My Senator, Bill Frist, is speaking on NBC right now. The guy absolutely cracks me up.

[Stud83]

What do you want him to do, speak like Puskin wrote? The guy got up, said what he needed to say for his own political reasons, and did a damn good job of it. He's not depending on the college-educated (book smart) people of this country for votes for his party. He's playing to people that don't want to look in a dictionary to understand a speech. You may think that's sad, but Bush understands what he is doing.

Thank you.

Yep, he knows what to say in order to be liked by uneducated people in particular. Neither Gore nor Kerry ever had that.

[SirManchester]

What do you want him to do, speak like Puskin wrote? The guy got up, said what he needed to say for his own political reasons, and did a damn good job of it. He's not depending on the college-educated (book smart) people of this country for votes for his party. He's playing to people that don't want to look in a dictionary to understand a speech. You may think that's sad, but Bush understands what he is doing.

Thank you.


ok, so you could say Bush is smart for advocating to all the stupid Americans, which as you know are the majority. that's a given.
Also, if everyone was properly informed and educated about politics or this administration (like a genuine democratic society should) he wouldn't be in office right now, I can guarantee you that. He's supposed to be the leader of the free world, sure he may appeal to all the idiots in thsi country, but what about those who aren't exactly stupid?
And how about to the rest of the world? Because he's just like this, if not worse when it coems to foreign policy, have you seen his recent interviews in Germany? I mean, there's a reason the majority of the rest of the world dislikes this guy.

@ Rebecca
Yea, he said "america has been leading in education and innovation and will continue to do that" which is a blatant lie, the United States are and have been behind for a long time now, why doesn't he address that!?

[Numquam Moribimur]

Yep, he knows what to say in order to be liked by uneducated people in particular. Neither Gore nor Kerry ever had that.



well bush had better grades then kerry ...so yea :)

[littleman]

The uneducated bulk of the population is somewhat scary.

These are the people who are swayed by mud-slinging; which is why modern campaigns are so dirty and aggressive, not to forget hostile. They voted Bush in because of his "character", not by any distance his "intelligence".

[Sapphire]

Sapphire ..do you think the " no child left behind act " is right ?Honestly, I don't know enough about it. I have several friends that work as middle and high school teachers. One works at a middle class school, that boosted their test scores over several years. However she said that, while the program's not a disaster, the move to standarized testing has jeopardized, in her opinion, the overall education of the kids.

Another couple of friends work(ed) in a seriously impoverished school district in New Orleans, and the program was a disaster for them. Basically, they lose money if the kids don't pass standardized tests; and there kids are WAY below the national average. In fact, one of my friends teaches fifth grade and she usually has several illiterate children coming into her classroom every year in a district which has little resources to help such kids, so how can she prepare them for the test? she asks.

My overall impression is that NCLB is a so-so program for high and mid level American schools, but its really devasting to poor schools. "Personal accountability" just can't mean much when there's so little an individual teacher or administrator can do at a poor school. These are just my impressions from my friends' comments, as I say.

[Howard Zinn]

ok, so you could say Bush is smart for advocating to all the stupid Americans, which as you know are the majority. that's a given.
Also, if everyone was properly informed and educated about politics or this administration (like a genuine democratic society should) he wouldn't be in office right now, I can guarantee you that. He's supposed to be the leader of the free world, sure he may appeal to all the idiots in thsi country, but what about those who aren't exactly stupid?
And how about to the rest of the world? Because he's just like this, if not worse when it coems to foreign policy, have you seen his recent interviews in Germany? I mean, there's a reason the majority of the rest of the world dislikes this guy.

@ Rebecca
Yea, he said "america has been leading in education and innovation and will continue to do that" which is a blatant lie, the United States are and have been behind for a long time now, why doesn't he address that!?


Again, you underestimate the man because of the stage persona he adapts. Bush in front of the cameras and microphones isn't the same Bush that is running the country. You seem to recognize that he plays to "stupid" people (the choice of this word actually makes you look stupid), but then fail to realize how intelligent he must be to put on this act. He has done basically everything that he has wanted to get done since entering office. Why? Because he knows exactly what buttons to push and when. The man is quite intelligent, and those that oppose him need to realize this instead of underestimating him.

[SirManchester]

Again, you underestimate the man because of the stage persona he adapts. Bush in front of the cameras and microphones isn't the same Bush that is running the country. You seem to recognize that he plays to "stupid" people (the choice of this word actually makes you look stupid), but then fail to realize how intelligent he must be to put on this act. He has done basically everything that he has wanted to get done since entering office. Why? Because he knows exactly what buttons to push and when. The man is quite intelligent, and those that oppose him need to realize this instead of underestimating him.


You know, you're making the same mistake a lot of other Americans have, you think Bush is the main man, the man responsible for all the decisions, the man in charge..well he's not, Cheney makes just as many if not most of them, and plenty of other heads who pull the strings.
If his "stupid" act is indeed an act, why intemplate it infront of international leaders? why act like this when going to China, Germany or the Vatican?! What's the point?
And his decisions behind closed doors aren't impressive, so I don't know what you are getting at, just look at where this country is going and where it's lead him, 9-11, the budget deficit, Iraq, the no child left behind act, the patriot act, wiretapping, prison torture, extradition..to name a few things.
It's ********in outrageous!

[Sapphire]

Again, you underestimate the man because of the stage persona he adapts. Bush in front of the cameras and microphones isn't the same Bush that is running the country. You seem to recognize that he plays to "stupid" people (the choice of this word actually makes you look stupid), but then fail to realize how intelligent he must be to put on this act. He has done basically everything that he has wanted to get done since entering office. Why? Because he knows exactly what buttons to push and when. The man is quite intelligent, and those that oppose him need to realize this instead of underestimating him.You guys should watch Journeys with George -- It's a documentary shot during his campaign to win the primary in 2000, before he was a front-runner. He's really relaxed and shows that he is intelligent (all his smarminess is there, and he kinda comes off as a perv, imo).

I actually think that he speaks so slowly at times, not cause he's too stupid to think of something, but he's deliberately slowing down and picking southern-sounding idioms (he doesn't really talk that way; he learned it in Texas cowboy-businessman culture). He's actually a political genius. I mean, he ran as a Washington outsider--his daddy was the frickin president and head of the CIA forever. He shirked service during vietnam by joining the national guard (which, if you don't know, alot of 'fortunate sons' did and were allowed to do deliberately to avoid combat), and he manages to gain the support of military families over his war-hero purple-eart-winning opponent -- it's brilliant!!

[Sapphire]

If his "stupid" act is indeed an act, why intemplate it infront of international leaders? why act like this when going to China, Germany or the Vatican?! What's the point? I think he does it because it's his "political persona" -- he's in a groove with it.

And his decisions behind closed doors aren't impressive, so I don't know what you are getting at, just look at where this country is going and where it's lead him, 9-11, the budget deficit, Iraq, the no child left behind act, the patriot act, wiretapping, prison torture, extradition..to name a few things.
It's ********in outrageous!He's a horrible, horrible leader. One of the worst in living memory. We're ********ed for long after he's gone. He's a brilliant politician, though; he really slipped up in Katrina. That's when he lost the American public. He couldn't give a sh!t and it totally showed.

[SirManchester]

You guys should watch Journeys with George -- It's a documentary shot during his campaign to win the primary in 2000, before he was a front-runner. He's really relaxed and shows that he is intelligent (all his smarminess is there, and he kinda comes off as a perv, imo).

I actually think that he speaks so slowly at times, not cause he's too stupid to think of something, but he's deliberately slowing down and picking southern-sounding idioms (he doesn't really talk that way; he learned it in Texas cowboy-businessman culture). He's actually a political genius. I mean, he ran as a Washington outsider--his daddy was the frickin president and head of the CIA forever. He shirked service during vietnam by joining the national guard (which, if you don't know, alot of 'fortunate sons' did and were allowed to do deliberately to avoid combat), and he manages to gain the support of military families over his war-hero purple-eart-winning opponent -- it's brilliant!!


It's not only him accomplishing all that, in fact, he barely did or has to do anything, he's been handed everything to him in his life and people have constantly worked him into the positions he's had, he's no genius nor is he brilliant, he's just fortunate to have extraordinary connections.

[Howard Zinn]

You know, you're making the same mistake a lot of other Americans have, you think Bush is the main man, the man responsible for all the decisions, the man in charge..well he's not, Cheney makes just as many if not most of them, and plenty of other heads who pull the strings.
If his "stupid" act is indeed an act, why intemplate it infront of international leaders? why act like this when going to China, Germany or the Vatican?! What's the point?
And his decisions behind closed doors aren't impressive, so I don't know what you are getting at, just look at where this country is going and where it's lead him, 9-11, the budget deficit, Iraq, the no child left behind act, the patriot act, wiretapping, prison torture, extradition..to name a few things.
It's ********in outrageous!


So you are saying that Cheney makes most of the decisions, yet you seem to be more than willing to throw all of those problems mentioned, including 9-11, at the feet of Bush? :confused:

Ummmm, "stupid" people have Fox News and CNN these days, and those channels just happen to keep up with the President's activities overseas quite alot. It wouldn't make much sense to adapt a stage persona for one speech a year.

Those are all things that he wanted to get done (except for 9-11, which I can't believe you have the audacity to throw at the feet of any one person, unless you are trying to make a different point than what I am getting, which I hope you are). He did them for his own selfish reasons, because they help out people like himself, namely rich people. You don't seem to understand that the President doesn't make decisions to help everyone, he makes decisions to help the wealthiest 1 percent of people in this country. He plays to poor people so he can help the rich.

[SirManchester]

I think he does it because it's his "political persona" -- he's in a groove with it.

He's a horrible, horrible leader. One of the worst in living memory. We're ********ed for long after he's gone. He's a brilliant politician, though; he really slipped up in Katrina. That's when he lost the American public. He couldn't give a sh!t and it totally showed.


yep, and its beyond me how most of America still backs him up...:confused:

[Sapphire]

yep, and its beyond me how most of America still backs him up...:confused:Actually, his approval rating is 41% (I'm too tired to look it up--it's close to that anyway).

Edit: It's between 36 and 45% depending on which polling numbers you use
http://www.pollingreport.com/BushJob.htm