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Achtung
17 Feb 2006, 02:58 PM
If you want to get away from crime, move to NYC, the safest big city in the country.
New York, New York, the city so nice, they named it twice.
The other name is Manhattan.
Vermont Red
17 Feb 2006, 03:03 PM
New York, New York, the city so nice, they named it twice.
The other name is Manhattan.
:D I like when he goes to have classic New York pizza at Sabaro's.
Achtung
17 Feb 2006, 03:07 PM
:D I like when he goes to have classic New York pizza at Sabaro's.
And that is either the Hudson or the East River, so...
Most people, when they come to New York, they go straight to the Empire State Building. That's pretty touristy. I come here. Here it is. Heart of New York City. Times Square, named for the good times you have when you're in it.
Vermont Red
17 Feb 2006, 03:11 PM
And that is either the Hudson or the East River, so...
Most people, when they come to New York, they go straight to the Empire State Building. That's pretty touristy. I come here. Here it is. Heart of New York City. Times Square, named for the good times you have when you're in it.
How about that kiss at the end? :eek:
yossarian
17 Feb 2006, 03:16 PM
I'm probably completely off on this, but I remember a tidbit mentioned to me several times in high school that it costs more to perform these fancy executions we have now on a person once than to keep them in jail for many decades.
The cost of housing people on death row is slightly more expensive than housing prisoners generally but where the real expense comes in is with the appellate process guaranteed to most death row inmates. Now while the more callous among us would say "get rid of the appeals," most would find a more substantive appellate process to be rather necessary when faced with the prospect of a sentence that is so....final.
Achtung
17 Feb 2006, 03:36 PM
How about that kiss at the end? :eek:
The look Jan had when she realized the camera was there was priceless. :D
Vermont Red
17 Feb 2006, 03:39 PM
The look Jan had when she realized the camera was there was priceless. :D
I agree. It was also amusing to see that Michael hadn't forgotten about the camera.
Is it possible that she has feelings for him, or was she just grateful about his taking the bullet?
jayro75
17 Feb 2006, 03:44 PM
I agree. It was also amusing to see that Michael hadn't forgotten about the camera.
Is it possible that she has feelings for him, or was she just grateful about his taking the bullet?
What the hell are you guys talking about????
Achtung
17 Feb 2006, 03:46 PM
I agree. It was also amusing to see that Michael hadn't forgotten about the camera.
Is it possible that she has feelings for him, or was she just grateful about his taking the bullet?
It would be a pretty big twist if she actually did have feelings for him, but not beyond the show with its "Dwight was right about Oscar not being sick, but he's actually gay and Dwight's too dumb to figure it out!" twists. Morbid humor at its best.
Vermont Red
17 Feb 2006, 03:46 PM
What the hell are you guys talking about????
I was wondering how long we could go on before someone wondered what was going on.
Hey Achtung, at this time of year I can't help but remember the office Olympics. That was classic.
Achtung
17 Feb 2006, 03:48 PM
I was wondering how long we could go on before someone wondered what was going on.
Yep.
The Office (http://www.nbc.com/The_Office/)
Hey Achtung, at this time of year I can't help but remember the office Olympics. That was classic.
What the hell are those?
The doves.
StrikerCW
05 Apr 2006, 10:27 AM
What think you Bushites about the fact that his new (well circa 2003 I believe) tax cuts enabled people who make more than a million a year (1/10th of a percent of the population) to get about 45% of the tax cuts with these current rules? These people save more than the overwhelming majority of Americans make.
FIFARay007
16 May 2006, 10:44 AM
I'm not a huge fan of Bush, but I think he actually had some good points last night. It's nice to see that something will actually be done. The problem I have is that this may become very very messy. I worry that too many people will take this the wrong way.
Either way, this gives this country just one more thing to be divided on.
Father Ted
16 May 2006, 11:16 AM
I dunno, Immigration is just the issue of the day. Last year, what was it? Gay Marriage, or was that the year before? I swear, I think these pols sit there in Washington trying to figure out what the next issue they can hoodwink the public on, masking the real issues out there. Which is the corruption of the US political system where the direction of the country is determined by corporate interests.
mhtwins113
16 May 2006, 11:20 AM
I'm not a huge fan of Bush, but I think he actually had some good points last night. It's nice to see that something will actually be done. The problem I have is that this may become very very messy. I worry that too many people will take this the wrong way.
Either way, this gives this country just one more thing to be divided on.
What good points did he have exactly? Sending 6,000 NG troops as technical backup with no enforcement powers whatsoever sounds like bullshit to me. This speech wasn't about border enforcement, it was about pushing his amnesty proposal, plain and simple. Bush's dismissive attitude towards our border security is simply appalling, just get the damn wall built first, Dubya, then I'll begin to entertain the thought of amnesty, or as you phrase it, a "guest-worker program."
mhtwins113
16 May 2006, 11:21 AM
I dunno, Immigration is just the issue of the day. Last year, what was it? Gay Marriage, or was that the year before? I swear, I think these pols sit there in Washington trying to figure out what the next issue they can hoodwink the public on, masking the real issues out there. Which is the corruption of the US political system where the direction of the country is determined by corporate interests.
I can't even see how the suits would want a guest-worker program since these are the same people inflating their bottom lines by importing illegals and paying them slave wages under the table. What would legalizing these people do? That's right, create a demand for new low-wage illegals and make the problem even worse than it is now, if that's even fathomable.
Achtung
16 May 2006, 11:26 AM
I dunno, Immigration is just the issue of the day. Last year, what was it? Gay Marriage, or was that the year before? I swear, I think these pols sit there in Washington trying to figure out what the next issue they can hoodwink the public on, masking the real issues out there. Which is the corruption of the US political system where the direction of the country is determined by corporate interests.
I think last year it was privatizing Social Security. That sure went well.
The whole immigration system is broken, period. If people want to come here, they should be given an answer quickly and not get buried under a mountain of paperwork waiting for a response. It's either, "welcome to the US, here's your visa, let us know if you're having problems" or "sorry, you don't meet the requirements for immigration, try again later". You know, something along those lines. But I guess that's require a lot more people involved, plus you'd still need some kind of application quota. It's frustrating, but there's no easy way to separate the "good" applicants from the "bad" ones I guess.
mhtwins113
16 May 2006, 11:33 AM
This isn't even about applicants and speed of applications right now, though. It's about whether we are going to allow ourselves to essentially be invaded by another country's peasant population (Fact: 99% of illegals are Mexican, this is not a race issue, don't try to make it one) and allow them to piss all over our laws and sovereignty when they come here, then demand entitlements like they deserve them somehow for breaking our laws and flaunting them in our faces.
Achtung
16 May 2006, 11:52 AM
Yeah but I'm guessing that if the application process was fixed, it would help. Not a full solution, but better than what we have now.
A guest worker program would work if border security was better and if there was a better way to enforce it, but it doesn't seem any more feasible to do that than it does to find every illegal immigrant and deport them. In other words, far more trouble than its worth.
Can't say I blame anyone though for coming here at all costs. If your choices are either "work hard, live in poverty" or "work hard, get a living wage and raise a family in a good neightborhood", its kind of a no-brainer. Like Bush said last night, the majority of them are indeed hard working people who don't cause trouble. Problem though is of course that they're not paying taxes, yet still benefiting from the government. That's going to be a greater problem as time passes, and honestly I don't know what reasonable way there is to deal with it, especially considering that there is a definite symbiosis between the illegal workers and the rest of this country.
FIFARay007
16 May 2006, 11:58 AM
Problem though is of course that they're not paying taxes, yet still benefiting from the government. That's going to be a greater problem as time passes, and honestly I don't know what reasonable way there is to deal with it, especially considering that there is a definite symbiosis between the illegal workers and the rest of this country.
Yea, this is a huge issue. I just can't understand if someone doesn't pay taxes, how they can benefit from free healthcare. There are legitimate citizens who have issues with affordable healthcare, and that just isn't right.