Man United NSR Politics thread

[Motterman]

February? Man there you go making up months again...

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Every month is Black History Month. - BET

[Achtung]

Yea well, when you're pissed off at a certain institution, you're bound to break away and fabricate theories to oppose those who restricted you in the first place.

Fair to assume you're not going to be persuaded otherwise today, so I'll just drop this one.

[Vermont Red]

[A]s long as people are still having promiscuous sex with many anonymous partners without protection while at the same time experimenting with mind-expanding drugs in a consequence-free environment, I'll be sound as a pound! - Austin Powers

[Stud83]

The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the inequities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men. Blessed is he, who in the name of charity and good will, shepherds the weak through the valley of darkness, for he is truly his brother's keeper and the finder of lost children. And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who would attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know my name is the Lord when I lay my vengeance upon thee.
-Jules (Pulp Fiction)

[Achtung]

-Jules (Pulp Fiction)

Always thought that movie was a bit overrated, tbh. That and the quote made no sense in the context that Jackson's character used it.

[Vermont Red]

Always thought that movie was a bit overrated, tbh. That and the quote made no sense in the context that Jackson's character used it.

"Pulp Fiction" certainly opened the door for other film makers who wanted to play with the chronology of events. (I know that "Pulp Fiction" was not the first to do this.) Whether this is a good thing or not is a good debate for the movie thread.

[yossarian]

Always thought that movie was a bit overrated, tbh. That and the quote made no sense in the context that Jackson's character used it.

In fairness to "Jules" doesn't he tell "Ringo" at one point that he never really thought about the meaning and just said it because he thought it sounded baaaad?

Then, in the context of not blowing Ringo's head off he started to think more about the verse's meaning.

[Achtung]

In fairness to "Jules" doesn't he tell "Ringo" at one point that he never really thought about the meaning and just said it because he thought it sounded baaaad?

Then, in the context of not blowing Ringo's head off he started to think more about the verse's meaning.

True, I guess thinking about the actual meaning may be what caused him to change his mind. That and all the other crap they went through that morning.

[Achtung]

"Pulp Fiction" certainly opened the door for other film makers who wanted to play with the chronology of events. (I know that "Pulp Fiction" was not the first to do this.) Whether this is a good thing or not is a good debate for the movie thread.

True, and I agree this is more a debate for the movie thread. Just wanted to note that I've seen plenty of movies screw up that technique as well.

[Vermont Red]

True, and I agree this is more a debate for the movie thread. Just wanted to note that I've seen plenty of movies screw up that technique as well.

Agreed, and I wasn't chastising you for going off topic. I just didn't want to be responsible for starting a debate in the middle of another one.

[SirManchester]

"Pulp Fiction" certainly opened the door for other film makers who wanted to play with the chronology of events. (I know that "Pulp Fiction" was not the first to do this.) Whether this is a good thing or not is a good debate for the movie thread.

"a movie has a beginning, middle, and end, but not in that particular order" - Jean Luc Godard.

[Vermont Red]

"a movie has a beginning, middle, and end, but not in that particular order" - Jean Luc Godard.

But a non-linear chronology needs to be justified. - Me

[SirManchester]

But a non-linear chronology needs to be justified. - Me

Certainly, just don't expect it from loser fanboy Quentin.

[Vermont Red]

Certainly, just don't expect it from loser fanboy Quentin.

I think it is justified in "Pulp Fiction" as you already know the consquences for Jules' choice, at least as it affects Vincent. For a completely unjustified chronology watch "21 Grams".

[SirManchester]

I think it is justified in "Pulp Fiction" as you already know the consquences for Jules' choice, at least as it affects Vincent. For a completely unjustified chronology watch "21 Grams".

I hated "21 grams" Not only did its narrative totally ruin the experience, I wasn't captured by any of the performances, and what pissed me off the most about it was how it was shot; shaky camera, skewed angled shots, dimmed lighting and that sick grainy look.

[Vermont Red]

I hated "21 grams" Not only did its narrative totally ruin the experience, I wasn't captured by any of the performances, and what pissed me off the most about it was how it was shot; shaky camera, skewed angled shots, dimmed lighting and that sick grainy look.

Not all innovation is progress. Example, movies filmed with digital cameras.

[SirManchester]

Not all innovation is progress. Example, movies filmed with digital cameras.

Works for some (28 days later), doesn't work for others(21 grams)

[littleman]

I hated "21 grams" Not only did its narrative totally ruin the experience, I wasn't captured by any of the performances, and what pissed me off the most about it was how it was shot; shaky camera, skewed angled shots, dimmed lighting and that sick grainy look.

The ******** is movies doing in this thread? :eek:

But anyway, I really liked 21 grams. It isn't anywhere near my top films but I really appreciated it when I watched it. The handheld-camera feel, the grainy look, skewed shots like all you said.. all contributed to a "feel" of it that would otherwise come across differently than if it were shot precisely like a Scorsese film.. I thought it contributed to the "feel" of the movie, if anything.

The performances were actually pretty good, but what I liked was really its narrative. It's not the most efficient way to present a story when it's so convoluted, but it was fun holding scenes and putting them together later on to give a bigger picture. Mental masturbation, if nothing else.

[littleman]

The Vatican is the authority for Catholicism, not all of Christianity. The rest of Christianity doesn't have a central authority either, meaning information comes from the same, mostly local sources.

Which is why different Churches advocate different sorts of beliefs and practices. I know some of my friends who aren't allowed to read Harry Potter because of it, and others who are. And who can forget the infamous burning of Pikachu in a particular Church in the U.S.?

Catholicism is pretty damn different from Christianity.

[johno]

One thing you missed Saph, is that these muslims have been without a central authority. I don't think religion is just a motivation force and has no relevance to the wars and conflict in the ME, because since the Crusades, up to this day, there are millions of people who still strongly believe in their religion and would actually die for it. Sure it's great propaganda but we can't dismiss the fact that they actually believe in this stuff.
Back to the central authority point, like the Vatican with Christianity, Muslims don't have that option, everyone goes to individual mosques and they get their infomation through pamphlets, word of mouth, some internet sites, sermons, etc...They are therefore forced to fend for themselves and express their faith through their conditions (put in all of Saph's points)

I don't even know where to start with this...

millions of people?

how are these millions you speak of different from different warring tribes in Africa? is it religion there too? no, its poverty/economic conflict which has fueled hate. just because alot of warring people happen to be Muslim doesn't mean that all muslims are violent or are warring people... the majority of muslims are non-violent.

If you think the Vatican is a central authority point for Christianity then you've really got to visit a few different churches just to get a feel for things... LOL, I used to be very uncomfortable attending mass as a young boy in my school because I was Christian but not Catholic and trust me, the differences between Catholicism and Christianity are great. I think there are just as many idiots who claim Christianity who are stockpiling weapons and ready to be violent... thank god those idiots mainly live in the US and not somewhere with more diversity (religion wise). I'm also willing to bet that if they were in economic hardship they'd have more supporters and be willing to go to further lengths to prove that they are stupid.