View Full Version : Man United NSR Politics thread
Sapphire
08 Feb 2006, 01:43 PM
One thing you missed Saph, is that these muslims have been without a central authority. I don't think religion is just a motivation force and has no relevance to the wars and conflict in the ME, because since the Crusades, up to this day, there are millions of people who still strongly believe in their religion and would actually die for it. Sure it's great propaganda but we can't dismiss the fact that they actually believe in this stuff.
Back to the central authority point, like the Vatican with Christianity, Muslims don't have that option, everyone goes to individual mosques and they get their infomation through pamphlets, word of mouth, some internet sites, sermons, etc...They are therefore forced to fend for themselves and express their faith through their conditions (put in all of Saph's points)Really interesting point.
SirManchester
08 Feb 2006, 01:44 PM
Interesting.....considering many would say there's a huge difference.
what's the "huge" difference?
Stud83
08 Feb 2006, 01:47 PM
So suppose tomorrow New York Times starts printing cartoons depicting all Muslims as crazy suicide bombers and all Africans as monkeys - would it not cause a huge reaction in the States? You don't think something like that would deserve an apology at the very least?
yossarian
08 Feb 2006, 01:58 PM
what's the "huge" difference?
Do you really want me to go through the catechism of the church for you? I'd really rather not.....but for just for starters.....
transubstantiation
sainthood
importance of the Virgin Mother/intercession
Bible divinely inspired versus divinely written
papal authority
etc.
yossarian
08 Feb 2006, 01:59 PM
So suppose tomorrow New York Times starts printing cartoons depicting all Muslims as crazy suicide bombers and all Africans as monkeys - would it not cause a huge reaction in the States? You don't think something like that would deserve an apology at the very least?
Who is saying it would not cause a "huge reaction" in the states?
Stud83
08 Feb 2006, 02:06 PM
Who is saying it would not cause a "huge reaction" in the states?
I'm just illustrating the point I made in the first place - freedom of speech has its limitations, and I see nothing wrong with a sincere apology over insensitive remark (or cartoon, doesn't matter). Since the apology never happened in this case, rather the newspaper defiantly started to defend their cartoon, it was really only a matter of time before the start of large protests.
SirManchester
08 Feb 2006, 02:19 PM
Do you really want me to go through the catechism of the church for you? I'd really rather not.....but for just for starters.....
transubstantiation
sainthood
importance of the Virgin Mother/intercession
Bible divinely inspired versus divinely written
papal authority
etc.
right, huge differences there, they worship the same god, why is it so bad to put them in the same category?
Vermont Red
08 Feb 2006, 02:21 PM
right, huge differences there, they worship the same god, why is it so bad to put them in the same category?
Don't Christians, Muslims and Jews all worship the same god?
yossarian
08 Feb 2006, 02:22 PM
right, huge differences there, they worship the same god, why is it so bad to put them in the same category?
Hmmm, they were different enough that some dude named Martin Luther and a bunch of people who agreed with him felt the need to distinguish themselves.
And sure, they do worship the same god.....so do Sunnis and Shi'ites.
SirManchester
08 Feb 2006, 02:30 PM
Hmmm, they were different enough that some dude named Martin Luther and a bunch of people who agreed with him felt the need to distinguish themselves.
And sure, they do worship the same god.....so do Sunnis and Shi'ites.
ok, but he was ********in crazy.
Motterman
08 Feb 2006, 02:32 PM
"Shocking" :rolleyes:
BBC:
The US secretary of state has accused Iran and Syria of fuelling anti-Western sentiment, in a row over cartoons satirising the Prophet Muhammad.
Condoleezza Rice said both countries used the opportunity to incite violence and exploit Muslim anger.
Achtung
08 Feb 2006, 02:34 PM
ok, but he was ********in crazy.
Care to elaborate?
SirManchester
08 Feb 2006, 02:36 PM
Care to elaborate?
For one thing, he believed that our justification is a gift from God, that our destination to heaven or hell is predetermined before our birth. He was anti semetic, and oh yea he believed in witches and warlocks as part and included this and the former in his writings.
Motterman
08 Feb 2006, 02:38 PM
For one thing, he believed that our justification is a gift from God, that our destination to heaven or hell is predetermined before our birth. He was anti semetic, and oh yea he believed in witches and warlocks as part and included this and the former in his writings.
You shouldn't say such things about Martin Luther, it's Black History Month you know. :p
Achtung
08 Feb 2006, 02:41 PM
For one thing, he believed that our justification is a gift from God, that our destination to heaven or hell is predetermined before our birth. He was anti semetic, and oh yea he believed in witches and warlocks as part and included this and the former in his writings.
That wasn't much different from most Catholic beliefs of the time, aside from the more Calvinist ideology of predestination.
There are plenty of things he didn't have in common with the Catholic Church though.
SirManchester
08 Feb 2006, 02:43 PM
That wasn't much different from most Catholic beliefs of the time, aside from the more Calvinist ideology of predestination.
There are plenty of things he didn't have in common with the Catholic Church though.
Yea well, when you're pissed off at a certain institution, you're bound to break away and fabricate theories to oppose those who restricted you in the first place.
Vermont Red
08 Feb 2006, 02:43 PM
The easy confidence with which I know another man's religion is folly teaches me to suspect that my own is also. - Mark Twain
SirManchester
08 Feb 2006, 02:45 PM
The easy confidence with which I know another man's religion is folly teaches me to suspect that my own is also. - Mark Twain
That's why you're better off without one. - Me
Motterman
08 Feb 2006, 02:46 PM
The easy confidence with which I know another man's religion is folly teaches me to suspect that my own is also. - Mark Twain
I'm not so much religious, rather that I am spiritual. - Motterman
Achtung
08 Feb 2006, 02:46 PM
You shouldn't say such things about Martin Luther, it's Black History Month you know. :p
February? Man there you go making up months again...
http://snl.jt.org/arc/imp/TiMe-O.J.%20Simpson.jpg