The Return of Teddy..Again!

[jumhed]

Its already in 'Silly Season' thread, but IMO deserves its own.

Greatest transfer story in the world, ever!

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,296-2010312,00.html

I'd guess until the end of the season, with a Coaching job at the end as a 'carrot on a stick' kind of thing.

He does need to come back. Away from that joke team especially.

[Colm]

Is there any truth in it though?

Well even it is short-term i'm all for it. i'm sure he could still do a job.

[Batcave Brigade]

Part of a deal with Kelly going the other way perhaps?

[Colm]

Part of a deal with Kelly going the other way perhaps?That could be true, though not sure that would be good on are part, Kelly is a moaner and all but he's young and got years ahead of him and swapping him for a 39-40 year old might not be the best of ideas. I know Teddy is a legend and all but if we are only going to keep Teddy for about 6 months/1 year and get rid of Kelly then not that that sounds good but i'll let Jol do the stuff :cool:

[Batcave Brigade]

Isn't Kelly most likely off in the summer anyway? If you need a late goal who would you want coming offf the bench, Teddy or Rasiak? Seperating myself from emotional considerations, I think it makes alot of sense for your squad. Plus after dumping more 7 million quid on Ashton, Pardew almost has to play him in front of Teddy.

[Colm]

Isn't Kelly most likely off in the summer anyway? If you need a late goal who would you want coming offf the bench, Teddy or Rasiak? Seperating myself from emotional considerations, I think it makes alot of sense for your squad. Plus after dumping more 7 million quid on Ashton, Pardew almost has to play him in front of Teddy.Suppose so, Teddy is miles ahead of Rasiak so even if we use Teddy as a bit part 4th striker we be good.

[MrTea]

I would have prefered a more permenant solution...

[tomas_brolin]

we have a permanent solution.. but jol isnt bringing up barnard!!

i wonder if robbie has to give up his 10 if teddy comes back... or will he have to pull a klinsmann?

[PoshSpur]

While we're at it, why don't we ask Jurgen back after he gets the sack for not winning the WC with Germany?

We'll have our old partnership back. What a season that was!

[tapper]

I would have prefered a more permenant solution...

I think we just need to have a temporary solution until the permanent solution (Kuyt) arrives this summer. This would qualify.

[PoshSpur]

Sheri would also help the younglings out.

[MrTea]

The thing about Kuyt is it really isn't in his best options to move now, he may as well wait till the world cup unless he wants to end up here anyway.

[tapper]

The thing about Kuyt is it really isn't in his best options to move now, he may as well wait till the world cup unless he wants to end up here anyway.
That's what I'm saying. So we sign a temporary solution now...and a permanent solution (Kuyt) in the summer. Although, if we wind up with Mido and Kuyt, we have problems deciding who plays and who sits. Especially if we wind up paying a large sum for Kuyt.

Its a tricky situation. You want to have cover for Mido without unsettling him. I think Mido is good enough that he warrants no replacements. He's really turning into one of the better target men around the league.

So the question becomes whether Kuyt is even a good buy if we can get Mido for less, and use the money instead on a bit of class at the left wing position, and uprgraded fullbacks.

[Spur_Forever]

The only way I'd see this scenario working is if we currently have a buyer offering a good price for Raziak. If so, it might be worth getting rid of him right now. If not, then it makes no sense to pay two salaries for two average players.

And yes, even though Teddy is a Spurs great, he is very average right now. I really don't understand all this enthusiasm with respect to him coming back. Have people no memories at all? There's a reason we let him go 3 seasons ago. He was losing his edge and was no longer hacking it in the EPL. And there is a reason West Ham have bolstered their strike-force. Sheringham is no longer hacking it in the EPL!

And please don't give me the "he'll be so good for the kids" argument. If that's true, then bring him in as a coach, not as a striker. I'm sorry, not to share the enthusiasm, but (1) it was just too painful for me to watch him during his last season at Spurs and (2) I'm just not a fan of temporary solutions.

I'd much rather play El-Hamadoui, Barnard or even (gulp) Rasiak than bring in Sheringham again.

And just a side-note regarding the unfortunate Pole: although he has been largely cr@p, I think he should get another chance. I mean, if you came on this board after the first 4 games that Jenas had played, you would have been hard-pressed to find anyone who thought he was worth his salt...

[Rabbi Keane]

i wonder if robbie has to give up his 10 if teddy comes back... or will he have to pull a klinsmann?

A player can't change squad number during the season, only way Sheringham can get number 10 this season is if Robbie Keane leaves.

[Liverpool_SC]

This strikes me as a very intelligent move, especially following the signing of Dean Ashton by WHFC. Sheri is much better rested going into the second half of the season than he has been in year's past and he addresses a role that your club is very much lacking when Mido is not available - and one that can help even when he is. That is, a very intelligent attacking player who can move well, hold the ball well and link between deep midfield and the front line.

Keano does this some, but not so well as Sheri. And you really have not had as much cutting edge passing from your midfield into the strikers recently. Sheri will help nicely in this role.

I think this is a wise signing that goes to show how flexible and quick-thinking your backroom staff is.

Sometimes you don't need to bring in a £7m signing or the "best young prospect at his position in the world" to do the job. Arsenal (paucity in midfield and at central defender position) and Man Utd (paucity in midfield) would do well to suck up the pride and bring in some stop-gap measures every once in awhile. The fact that your squad is in a position where a "piece of the puzzle" like Sheri (at this stage of his career) can make a huge impact shows how far you have come in building your team.

[PoshSpur]

You got a D for that Liverpool_SC. You didn't complete your task of 10,000 words!

[pookspur]

This strikes me as a very intelligent move, etc...

good stuff from liverpool. not limited to a sheringham move, specifically, but with regard to the flexibility of signing policies.

there was a brief discussion over on the arse boards with regard to edgar davids having been an option for them prior to his signing for us. whether they could've gotten him or not wasn't really the point; but within the context of wenger/dein's modus operandi of signing only kids, and how strictly it is adhered to. no one can really be critical of the way they do their business, generally, as it's obviously brought considerable success; but if one were a gooner, it's easy to see how (assuming they gave any thought to acquiring davids, at all) - in light of what they're missing post-vieira - they really squandered an opportunity. there's no way they'd get pushed around on the road like they do had they gone after (and gotten) edgar. but i can't imagine, given the way they do business, that they gave him a moment's thought.

well, in mr jol's brief time in charge, we, too, have established a modus operandi of going with youth, and it looks likely to bring success for us, as well. but, as liverpool sc (and as the 'davids to arsenal' scenario) suggests, being flexible with the greater strategy could, indeed, be a strength. i wouldn't want to be a club known for signing aging has-beens any more than does mr wenger; but if it looks a good move, make it. there's not that much to lose, and if it doesn't work out, no great loss. critics be damned.

[Liverpool_SC]

Hey Poshie. Here is your 10,000 word essay for the day from your favorite 'Pool poster:

there was a brief discussion over on the arse boards with regard to edgar davids having been an option for them prior to his signing for us. whether they could've gotten him or not wasn't really the point; but within the context of wenger/dein's modus operandi of signing only kids, and how strictly it is adhered to. no one can really be critical of the way they do their business, generally, as it's obviously brought considerable success; but if one were a gooner, it's easy to see how (assuming they gave any thought to acquiring davids, at all) - in light of what they're missing post-vieira - they really squandered an opportunity. there's no way they'd get pushed around on the road like they do had they gone after (and gotten) edgar. but i can't imagine, given the way they do business, that they gave him a moment's thought.

I made a number of posts on the "Vieira Finally Gone" thread on just this point. Only a few days after "pv4"'s fate was sealed, I wondered out loud if it was part of a over-arching design on the A***'s and M. Wenger's part or if it was just a combination of taking advantage of a decent offer and arrogance (Wenger wanting to show that no one was bigger than the team and that it is his scheme and tactical acumen rather than players like Henry and Vieira that made Arsenal what they were). I suggested that if Wenger made no move to replace Vieira within 2 - 3 weeks that it was a terrible sign of him miscalculating his system and the relative strength of his side. After all, he had seen Parlour, Edu, Vieira, etc all move on inside of 18 months or so, to be replaced/supplemented with very little proven players.

I further stated that I didn't necessarily disagree with the transfer of "PV4", as it would be good for the team in the long-term, but that I believed A***nal would finish no higher than 3rd and probably 4th if they did not sign a stop-gap or out-and-out replacement for Vieira.

Some of the players who were still available at that time (and whom I mentioned as worthy) were Davids (though he was very close to sealing his move to you), Appiah (who Vieira was nominally replacing at Juve), Kuffour, Jenas, etc.

It was hilarious to read the A*** fan responses that Davids was used up, that Appiah was not A*** caliber, that Kuffour was terrible, that Jenas was overrated, etc.

Next I mentioned that players like Grimandi and Parlour had been "A*** standard" before they were so high and mighty, and that they would do well to sign a middling guy rather than rely on a bunch of teenagers to play midfield. Mad_Theory, Phishy and numerous others said that they trusted Wenger, that they would be signing that lad that ultimately went to Real Madrid (and would have been no replacement for Vieira anyway), that Wenger was modifying the system anyway (we see how that has gone) and that Cesc was already better than Vieira who had really been declining all along anyway. They thought that the events might lead to a little hiccup (i.e. they would finish in 2nd place instead of winning the league), but only because of Chelsea and that I was insane to think that ManUtd (and indeed Liverpool) would be in a better position to finish higher in the league.

I then brought up the fact that teams like Spurs had been snatching up a number of players (Paul Robinson, Michael Carrick, etc.) that A*** could have really used, and done so quite cheaply and that they would not be amiss in wondering if their management were not guilty of a bit of hubris at this point, and that A*** really were in risk of falling behind their arch-enemies the very year before moving into Ca$hburton Grove.

It was very humorous to see how things have born out. You can read this exciting exchange (and some follow-up) at the following links:

Original Post:

{Entire Thread or see individual posts below} http://www.bigsoccer.com/forum/showthread.php?t=217574&page=8&pp=40&highlight=Vieira

http://www.bigsoccer.com/forum/showpost.php?p=5516855&postcount=163

http://www.bigsoccer.com/forum/showpost.php?p=5517633&postcount=172

http://www.bigsoccer.com/forum/showpost.php?p=5518711&postcount=195

Phishy's "Genius":

http://www.bigsoccer.com/forum/showpost.php?p=5519231&postcount=216

Follow-Up:

http://www.bigsoccer.com/forum/showpost.php?p=6109209&postcount=60

[THFC1]

Come back Teddy :D

We'll sing happy 40th birthday to him in 2 months.

He needs 3 more league goals to score 100 league goals for Tottenham.