Min capicty

[cruicky]

What is the minimum capicty of a premiership ground at the moment becasue whatever it is it needs to be rasied thiers too many stadiums with the capicty of a lowley div 1 teams.

I say it should be rasied to around 28K any thoughts?

[RichardL]

why does it 'need' to be raised? (and to be honest I don't think there even is a limit).

If someone has a low capacity why should they be prevented from playing in the premiership?

[Captain Splarg]

These are the stats on the recently promoted clubs:

The Hawthorns: 25,396
St. Andrew's: 30,009
Maine Road: 34,026


I think they are all niced sized grounds.


I think the only one under 20K is Loftus Road where Fulham are playing right now (QPR's Ground) -19,148



28k is quite high though... There are grounds like WBA's (25,396) and Charlton's (26,500) which are wonderful places to go.



I'm glad there is no minimum at all. I just don't see the point.

[gerr18]

Originally posted by cruicky
What is the minimum capicty of a premiership ground at the moment becasue whatever it is it needs to be rasied thiers too many stadiums with the capicty of a lowley div 1 teams.

I say it should be rasied to around 28K any thoughts?

1. I don't understand a word you are saying...you're grammar and sentence structure is that of a 5 year old who accidently got a hold of his moms alcohol.

2. After figuring out, from the other 2 posts, what you are trying to say...I think you're point is irrelevant and honestly stupid to be honest. No club should be kept from playing at the highest level because they don't have a big enough stadium...big stadium=big money. So in effect, you're saying that if you don't have the money, you shouldn't be allowed to play in the premier division? Next you're gonna say that a player who is under 6ft tall shouldn't be allowed to play in the premiership either.

[Blong]

Originally posted by gerr18
1. I don't understand a word you are saying...you're grammar and sentence structure is that of a 5 year old who accidently got a hold of his moms alcohol.

2. After figuring out, from the other 2 posts, what you are trying to say...I think you're point is irrelevant and honestly stupid to be honest. No club should be kept from playing at the highest level because they don't have a big enough stadium...big stadium=big money. So in effect, you're saying that if you don't have the money, you shouldn't be allowed to play in the premier division? Next you're gonna say that a player who is under 6ft tall shouldn't be allowed to play in the premiership either.

Looks like someone's got a case of the Mondays.

[gerr18]

Originally posted by Blong
Looks like someone's got a case of the Mondays.

yeah, i need to apologize for the post...not a good morning for me...i slept like ************ last night. but my post still holds true, just in a nicer, more loving nature...;)

[mactheknife]

Originally posted by Blong
Looks like someone's got a case of the Mondays.

i reckon you'd get your ass kicked sayin somethin like that where i work......

[John Boy]

Originally posted by Captain Splarg
These are the stats on the recently promoted clubs:

The Hawthorns: 25,396
St. Andrew's: 30,009
Maine Road: 34,026

28k is quite high though... There are grounds like WBA's (25,396) and Charlton's (26,500) which are wonderful places to go.



The Hawthorns is now approx 27,100, and is still wonderful.

[Clan]

What on earth makes you think these stadiums would fill to capacity?

When things go bad for the club the attendance is one of the first things to suffer, but the massive bill for the remodeling will remain.The interest on such a loan that would have to be taken out to upgrade any stadium is massive and penalties for missed on time payments are crippling and can drive a club to selling the only assets it has to make payments...the better players.Which only compounds the whole problem, as the play on the field gets progressively worse and even less fans turn up and even more players have to be sold.
Vicious circle ain't it.
The East stand at Stamford bridge which was started in the 70's to enlarge the capacity broughT a proud European triumphant, domestic cup triumphant and annual challenger for a top 6 spot to the nether reaches of the 2nd division only escaping relegation to the 3rd division by goal difference.
It has taken CFC a full generation to recover from its initial attempt at crowd enlargement.

The West stand and Euro bond may do to this generation what the other clubs find hard to do ie..keep Chelsea down.

[M]

Originally posted by RichardL
why does it 'need' to be raised? (and to be honest I don't think there even is a limit).


The limit is presumably what is required for the Football League, i.e. 6,000.

I know when the Premier League first started they tried to impose a minimum of 20K but I'm pretty sure this was dropped as part of the agreement with the Football League to allow the League to start without a legal challenge.

[RichardL]

Originally posted by M
The limit is presumably what is required for the Football League, i.e. 6,000.



It's probably not that, as clubs can't get into the premier without being in the league first.

When the premier league was being set up the FA had talks with the NFL for advice about the best way to go about setting up the league for profit etc. One of the things the NFL apparently advised was that clubs keep the capacity of their stadiums low enough to create a demand for season tickets - essentially by creating an environment where there is a danger that unless you have a season ticket you won't get in, as this promotes season ticket sales. Full houses also look better on TV.

[cruicky]

Originally posted by gerr18
1. I don't understand a word you are saying...you're grammar and sentence structure is that of a 5 year old who accidently got a hold of his moms alcohol.

.

Wow really that seems to say more about your reading skills as other people managed to get the gist of it.

[M]

Originally posted by RichardL
It's probably not that, as clubs can't get into the premier without being in the league first.


Not sure I follow - isn't that what I was saying? The min for the League is 6k. There are requirements that the top two divisions be all-seater (actually this is a legal requirement as opposed to a League edict) but there are no additional capacity requirements as you go up the League divisions.

[RichardL]

Originally posted by M
Not sure I follow - isn't that what I was saying? The min for the League is 6k. There are requirements that the top two divisions be all-seater (actually this is a legal requirement as opposed to a League edict) but there are no additional capacity requirements as you go up the League divisions.
maybe I was just being pedantic, but in theory a Div 1 club could have their Guy Fawkes night firework celebrations go horribly wrong and lose most of their ground, leaving them with only 3000 seats. They wouldn't be refused entry to the premier if they then got promoted. Unless the premiership adopted the football league's 6000 minimum (probably not as they wouldn't have regrded it a necessary) then that club could stay with a 3000 seat ground as long as they wanted.

[M]

Originally posted by RichardL
maybe I was just being pedantic, but in theory a Div 1 club could have their Guy Fawkes night firework celebrations go horribly wrong and lose most of their ground, leaving them with only 3000 seats. They wouldn't be refused entry to the premier if they then got promoted. Unless the premiership adopted the football league's 6000 minimum (probably not as they wouldn't have regrded it a necessary) then that club could stay with a 3000 seat ground as long as they wanted.

Well, being equally pedantic, the Football League would require them to get back over the 6k minimum within a certain time period. Unless they got promoted within that window, they could find themselves out of the League...

[greatscott]

Originally posted by Clanblue
What on earth makes you think these stadiums would fill to capacity?



really.

Football right now really isn't on the incline in popularity, but it isnt doing that bad either...
these stadiums might fill at a big match but on average I would be surprised if they fill 90% of that.

Football in the US on the otherhand is on the rise in popularity, they unfortunatly have a 180 degree switch in problems... their stadiums are too large. Look at Gillette Stadium (stadium where MLS cup was played)
over 61k if I am not mistaken showed up for the game.. this is great, but not so great when you realize that it is a little over 4 times the average attendence for games... stadiums are not filling up at matches which results in poor atmosphere and basically lack of interest in the TV viewing public...
now look at the new LA Galaxy stadium, brand spanking new and around 25k (correct me if i am wrong) capacity. These stadiums are great for the sport and MLS.... be thankful you don't have to worry about too big of a stadium instead of too small.. for i promise you that it is a much harder problem to fix.

[eric515]

Originally posted by RichardL

When the premier league was being set up the FA had talks with the NFL for advice about the best way to go about setting up the league for profit etc...

Luckily, they didn't heed the NFL's advice to cut to a TV timeout before every corner kick, throw in, free kick, substitution, red and yellow cards, goal kicks, and score!! :)

Do I sound bitter??

[QPR Kevin H]

Originally posted by Captain Splarg
I think the only one under 20K is Loftus Road where Fulham are playing right now (QPR's Ground) -19,148

I'm glad there is no minimum at all. I just don't see the point.
Actually - Loftus Roads Premiership capacity is closer to 16,000 due to league rules on restricted view seats. Doesnt matter - Fulham cant fill it anyway.

And who cares about a minimum capacity? How bout they make smaller, but financially solvent clubs have to build new stands - thus going into debt. Good plan in a financially torbulent time for all football clubs but Man U.

[rymannryan]

Originally posted by greatscott
really.

Football right now really isn't on the incline in popularity, but it isnt doing that bad either...
these stadiums might fill at a big match but on average I would be surprised if they fill 90% of that.

Football in the US on the otherhand is on the rise in popularity, they unfortunatly have a 180 degree switch in problems... their stadiums are too large. Look at Gillette Stadium (stadium where MLS cup was played)
over 61k if I am not mistaken showed up for the game.. this is great, but not so great when you realize that it is a little over 4 times the average attendence for games... stadiums are not filling up at matches which results in poor atmosphere and basically lack of interest in the TV viewing public...
now look at the new LA Galaxy stadium, brand spanking new and around 25k (correct me if i am wrong) capacity. These stadiums are great for the sport and MLS.... be thankful you don't have to worry about too big of a stadium instead of too small.. for i promise you that it is a much harder problem to fix.



Agreed. Another thing done in MLS to improve the atmosphere at games is closing the upper tiers. By having everyone crammed in down low, it makes for an improved atmostphere.

As for minimum capacity, I don't think 28,000 should be the set number. Let each club do whats best for themselves.

[Devil_78]

Originally posted by cruicky
What is the minimum capicty of a premiership ground at the moment becasue whatever it is it needs to be rasied thiers too many stadiums with the capicty of a lowley div 1 teams.

I say it should be rasied to around 28K any thoughts?

There is no limit on capacity. The only limit is that the clubs are not allowed terracing in the Premier League. They have to get rid of it within a couple of years of getting promoted. Half the reason Fulham have left Craven Cottage...