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christopher d
21 Jan 2006, 06:26 PM
Back when I was Christian, I used to bristle at the thought that folks would confuse my faith with that which was sputtered out by the Falwells and Robertsons of this world. No, I didn't believe that a slap on the forehead was going to cure cancer, and no, I didn't believe that most of my fellow music school students were going to be turned into pillars of salt. You must have me confused with the Fundies. After reading two articles I ran into today on nytimes.com, I can see that the Left in Christianity isn't the only side bristling.

The first article (http://www.nytimes.com/2006/01/20/opinion/20marsh.html?incamp=article_popular_2) was published in today's Times. It is written by an evangelical Christian professor of religion at U Va, and his reaction to some of the war-drumming in the name of Christ that was done in the propaganda build-up to GWII. As if working from a slate of evangelical talking points, both Franklin Graham, the evangelist and son of Billy Graham, and Marvin Olasky, the editor of the conservative World magazine and a former advisor to President Bush on faith-based policy, echoed these sentiments, claiming that the American invasion of Iraq would create exciting new prospects for proselytizing Muslims. Tim LaHaye, the co-author of the hugely popular "Left Behind" series, spoke of Iraq as "a focal point of end-time events," whose special role in the earth's final days will become clear after invasion, conquest and reconstruction. For his part, Jerry Falwell boasted that "God is pro-war" in the title of an essay he wrote in 2004.

Mr Marsh (the essay's author), then goes on to contrast this perspective with that of evangelicals prior to the rise of groups like the Moral Majority Such sentiments are a far cry from those expressed in the Lausanne Covenant of 1974. More than 2,300 evangelical leaders from 150 countries signed that statement, the most significant milestone in the movement's history. Convened by Billy Graham and led by John Stott, the revered Anglican evangelical priest and writer, the signatories affirmed the global character of the church of Jesus Christ and the belief that "the church is the community of God's people rather than an institution, and must not be identified with any particular culture, social or political system, or human ideology."

Then, as if trying to atone for his sect's hubris on his own, he offers this petition: What will it take for evangelicals in the United States to recognize our mistaken loyalty? We have increasingly isolated ourselves from the shared faith of the global Church, and there is no denying that our Faustian bargain for access and power has undermined the credibility of our moral and evangelistic witness in the world. The Hebrew prophets might call us to repentance, but repentance is a tough demand for a people utterly convinced of their righteousness.

Wish as I would that the Times would have had the balls to run something like this in January '03 rather than January '06, it didn't happen. I wonder whether or not the sentiments in the piece would have been written, rather than just felt, prior to today.


Buried in the piece is the name of someone referred to as "The Pope" of Evangelicals: John Stott. An Anglican Priest from London, he is as staunchly conservative as they come in his Christianity. He also takes the bits in the Bible about "feeding the hungry, clothing the naked, healing the sick, etc" as seriously as he does the bits about who one should and should not sleep with. Last November, David Brooks wrote an op-ed piece (http://www.nytimes.com/2004/11/30/opinion/30brooks.html?ex=1137992400&en=1c34fca0e2752f04&ei=5070) on him that makes the Christian Evangelical real for me in a way no Televangelist ever could. These three paragraphs are particularly illuminating: There's been a lot of twaddle written recently about the supposed opposition between faith and reason. To read Stott is to see someone practicing "thoughtful allegiance" to scripture. For him, Christianity means probing the mysteries of Christ. He is always exploring paradoxes. Jesus teaches humility, so why does he talk about himself so much? What does it mean to gain power through weakness, or freedom through obedience? In many cases the truth is not found in the middle of apparent opposites, but on both extremes simultaneously.

Stott is so embracing it's always a bit of a shock - especially if you're a Jew like me - when you come across something on which he will not compromise. It's like being in "Mr. Rogers' Neighborhood," except he has a backbone of steel. He does not accept homosexuality as a legitimate lifestyle, and of course he believes in evangelizing among nonbelievers. He is pro-life and pro-death penalty, even though he is not a political conservative on most issues.

Most important, he does not believe truth is plural. He does not believe in relativizing good and evil or that all faiths are independently valid, or that truth is something humans are working toward. Instead, Truth has been revealed.

Intrigued by the concept of someone simultaneously Anglican and Evangelical (not conservative, mind you... I've seen plenty of those), I did some research on his church, his publishing house, charitable work, etc. Not in any of the position papers on those sites are sex or abortion, women in the episcopate (or priesthood, for that matter), the war, homosexuality or any of the other hot-button issues that are literally tearing the Anglican church in two mentioned. But, things like feeding the hungry, clothing the naked, preaching the Gospel... That's what Stott's protoges are most proud of. That speaks volumes.

chiladd
22 Jan 2006, 12:33 AM
Intrigued by the concept of someone simultaneously Anglican and Evangelical (not conservative, mind you... I've seen plenty of those), I did some research on his church, his publishing house, charitable work, etc. Not in any of the position papers on those sites are sex or abortion, women in the episcopate (or priesthood, for that matter), the war, homosexuality or any of the other hot-button issues that are literally tearing the Anglican church in two mentioned. But, things like feeding the hungry, clothing the naked, preaching the Gospel... That's what Stott's protoges are most proud of. That speaks volumes.


Evangelical Christianity is a huge movement, and not all of them, heck barely a speck of them are out protesting on corners.Most are busy living there life, volunteering , running food drives, feeding the elderly, visiting the sick and so on.

Im not Christian, and personally I could care less about the whole religion (as with all the guru cults Islam , Buddhism and Hinduism).
But the truth of the matter is that Evangelicals and many Christians for that matter really do alot more GOOD then people like to think.

Val1
22 Jan 2006, 01:06 AM
Well, I've been reading John Stott for two decades now and I'm glad you "discovered" him. His "Why I am a Christian" is the most elegant, and short (it can't be more than 45 pages) affirmation of the Gospel by a erudite and brilliant writer. That he is Anglican, since you come from Episcopalian roots, only adds to the charm.

Like all other walks of life, the noisiest tend to get the most coverage and the Falwell-Robertsons are often the worst example of fundamental Christianity. While there are not many of us liberal fundamentalists, I stand firmly in that camp and am starting to try to make as much noise as possible, if only to counterbalance the noise from the right.

ratdog
22 Jan 2006, 05:21 PM
There is an excellent book I can recommend called "The Scandal of the Evangelical Mind" by Mark Noll. Noll is a professor of Christian Thought at the conservative Christian Wheaton College.

Basically, he describes the history and characteristics of the anti-intellectual tendencies of the evangelical movement that lead to many of the theological, social and political missteps of people who want to be good but end up as dupes of the "religious right".

Foosinho
23 Jan 2006, 09:13 AM
Evangelicals and politics is a real hot-button in Ohio right now. Ken Blackwell, one of the GOP candidates for Gov, is a real bible-beater and has tied himself pretty closely to World Harvest Church (televangelist Rod Parsley) - tho he "codes" it pretty well on his websites. There is a big race by one of the other GOP candidates to "out-Christ" Blackwell, and the whole thing is unsettling.

In fact, some of the more liberal churches in Ohio are unnerved by the entire thing - http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=48437

Of course, my favorite is the "It's sad to see the religious left and the secular left forge an unholy alliance against people of faith" quote.

Then there is this beauty:
Separation of church and state appears nowhere in the U.S. Constitution. It was created out of thin air by Justice Hugo Black in the 1947 Everson case. It has become the shield that the anti-god crowd uses to deflect all moral accountability. The Supreme Court has the power to offer opinions. An opinion of the Supreme Court is not law.
Wow. Wow wow wow.

papa surf
18 Feb 2006, 08:28 PM
Evangelicals and politics is a real hot-button in Ohio right now. Ken Blackwell, one of the GOP candidates for Gov, is a real bible-beater and has tied himself pretty closely to World Harvest Church (televangelist Rod Parsley) - tho he "codes" it pretty well on his websites. There is a big race by one of the other GOP candidates to "out-Christ" Blackwell, and the whole thing is unsettling.

In fact, some of the more liberal churches in Ohio are unnerved by the entire thing - http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=48437

Of course, my favorite is the "It's sad to see the religious left and the secular left forge an unholy alliance against people of faith" quote.

Then there is this beauty:

Wow. Wow wow wow.

Thats right...seperation of church and state is falehood...Our founding fathers who most were Masons....Created such words to keep any KING or President out of the affairs of the Church not vice versa.

royalstilton
18 Feb 2006, 08:47 PM
Understand this: Christianity is an off-shoot of Judaism. In ancient Judaism, a lad would study Torah and memorize it. He would, if he was sharp enough, then memorize the rest of what is called the Old Testament. Then he would, at age 14 or so, try to apprentice himself to a rabbi, a teacher, who had an individual view of The Law and the Prophets. If the rabbi in question thought that the teen was of sufficient character and had superior knowledge of the Book, he would take him under his yoke.

Jesus was a rabbi. He -- unlike his predecessors -- sought out disciples from the second-rate students who were fishing and collecting taxes and selling lanyards they made at Scout camp.

To be a Christian is to want to be like your rabbi and to do what he does. It isn't a club you join. It isn't about thinking that a guy who lived 2000 years ago was right about a bunch of stuff. It's about being sure you want to be like him, to the extreme.

Some persons who consider themselves Evangelical Christians are disciples of Jesus.

Most are not.

dj43
21 Feb 2006, 01:21 AM
Christopher,
the articles you cited are terrific examples of why Jesus said that the most important thing any of us can do is to love the Lord with all of our very being, and to do that first, foremost and all the time. And to make that possible, the Lord will FIRST give us the power to do it.

We aren't supposed to look at Falwell, or Graham, or Bush, or John Stott, any other human being for direction as to how we should live our lives. All too many of us have gotten all caught up in the emotion of the times and lost sight of the target. Time to quit talking about titles and groups and find the target again.

It is still there.

It hasn't moved.

It never will.

What has moved is our own selfish aim.

dawgpound2
21 Feb 2006, 11:19 AM
Christopher,
the articles you cited are terrific examples of why Jesus said that the most important thing any of us can do is to love the Lord with all of our very being, and to do that first, foremost and all the time. And to make that possible, the Lord will FIRST give us the power to do it.

We aren't supposed to look at Falwell, or Graham, or Bush, or John Stott, any other human being for direction as to how we should live our lives. All too many of us have gotten all caught up in the emotion of the times and lost sight of the target. Time to quit talking about titles and groups and find the target again.

It is still there.

It hasn't moved.

It never will.

What has moved is our own selfish aim.

Amen!

DJPoopypants
21 Feb 2006, 11:22 AM
Understand this: Christianity is an off-shoot of Judaism. In ancient Judaism, a lad would study Torah and memorize it. He would, if he was sharp enough, then memorize the rest of what is called the Old Testament. Then he would, at age 14 or so, try to apprentice himself to a rabbi, a teacher, who had an individual view of The Law and the Prophets. If the rabbi in question thought that the teen was of sufficient character and had superior knowledge of the Book, he would take him under his yoke.

Jesus was a rabbi. He -- unlike his predecessors -- sought out disciples from the second-rate students who were fishing and collecting taxes and selling lanyards they made at Scout camp.


I thought he was a carpenter? Do rabbis do a lot of woodwork?

christopher d
22 Feb 2006, 05:40 PM
I thought he was a carpenter? Do rabbis do a lot of woodwork?
"Rabbi" simply means "Teacher". Even some modern-day Rabbis, if they don't have a congregation, are forced to hold a 'day job'.

So your answer is "Yes". :)