Official BVB Transfer Thread [R]

[jonam]

BVB has exposed its financial positions for everyone in the business to exploit. This is fundamental.

As for the contractual status pre- or post world cup for Rosicky, a yes or no.
If the coming world cup will turn out to be Rosicky's tournament, his asking price will definitely be more coz the tournament is just at the turn of the corner.

If he ruptures a cruciate ligament during the next 6 months, his price will drop. So what's your point?

[Bayerntone]

If he ruptures a cruciate ligament during the next 6 months, his price will drop. So what's your point?

agree. It's a gamble.

or well, if BVB were not in this dire financial position, Rosicky could be yours for the rest of his career!

[footyfan1]

If he ruptures a cruciate ligament during the next 6 months, his price will drop. So what's your point?


Exactly. That's what I was trying to explain. With the importance of his transfer fee to our financial recovery plan, we need to get at least the 10M. 12-15 would be nice, but if no one is offering that, I'll gladly take the 10M and move on.

If it's the best we can get, it's the best we can get. We aren't going to wind up like Bayern stuck getting nothing for our best player.

[footyfan1]

agree. It's a gamble.


One that's too serious for BVB to take. As I said, I'd love them to gamble too, but again, this is important to our financial recovery.

[footyfan1]

What is he currently "valued" at? Around 10??

Let me edit this....Do you think he is worth 10?


Yes. Easily.

[Bayerntone]

Exactly We aren't going to wind up like Bayern stuck getting nothing for our best player.

If Ballack is not staying and mostly likely he won't, we'll be screwed and most likely we'll be screwed. Damn it!:mad:

[jonam]

Yes. Easily.


Honestly I am of the opinion - and many may disagree - that normally he is worth 20 Mio Euro. Though his stats with us aren't impressive, but in a better team with quick deadly strikers, he would star. Just imagine Rosicky feeding Thierry Henry!

Though just my two cents...

[jonam]

If Ballack is not staying and mostly likely he won't, we'll be screwed and most likely we'll be screwed. Damn it!:mad:

Bayern's strengths has since ever been that they don't rely on one player and that the club is always miles above a single player's fate. Sounds cruel? That's business and that's part of the story how they become that successful. If Ballack leaves, it would hurt their potential on the pitch. But they will come over it and in return would have some extra salaray money to spend.

[Bayerntone]

Honestly I am of the opinion - and many may disagree - that normally he is worth 20 Mio Euro. Though his stats with us aren't impressive, but in a better team with quick deadly strikers, he would star. Just imagine Rosicky feeding Thierry Henry!

Though just my two cents...

BVB is on the road to recovery and has done reasonably well so far. That's the brighter side.

[footyfan1]

Honestly I am of the opinion - and many may disagree - that normally he is worth 20 Mio Euro. Though his stats with us aren't impressive, but in a better team with quick deadly strikers, he would star. Just imagine Rosicky feeding Thierry Henry!

Though just my two cents...


Agree. We just aren't in a position to demand what he's worth and I think we'll actually wind up getting more than 10M. If a club bigger than Atletico wants him, they will come in with a bid, but I don't think that will happen until after the season.

I think that's why Atletico wants to get this deal done so quickly........

[footyfan1]

Bayern's strengths has since ever been that they don't rely on one player and that the club is always miles above a single player's fate. Sounds cruel? That's business and that's part of the story how they become that successful. If Ballack leaves, it would hurt their potential on the pitch. But they will come over it and in return would have some extra salaray money to spend.


That's close to what I've been telling the guys on the Bayern boards for months now.........

The words I use are: "Bayern won titles long before they got Michael Ballack and they will win titles long after he's gone."

I had some nice discussions with "SirManchester" when the rumors first started. LOL!! :D

[jonam]

That's close to what I've been telling the guys on the Bayern boards for months now.........

The words I use are: "Bayern won titles long before they got Michael Ballack and they will win titles long after he's gone."

I had some nice discussions with "SirManchester" when the rumors first started. LOL!! :D

What brings us to the conclusion that the ones that know Bayern the best..............................are two BVB supporters! :)

p.s.: And yes DF...I'll take the yellow card! :D

[Dead Fingers]

That's close to what I've been telling the guys on the Bayern boards for months now.........

The words I use are: "Bayern won titles long before they got Michael Ballack and they will win titles long after he's gone."

I had some nice discussions with "SirManchester" when the rumors first started. LOL!! :D

Ahem!
I was saying that long before those discussions. :)

Who, beside AM shown an interest in Rosicky? Was Arsenal one? 10-20 million is going to eliminate a lot of possible suitors. I guess I just have not seen the interest from a lot of clubs for him. :confused:

[Dead Fingers]

p.s.: And yes DF...I'll take the yellow card! :D

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[Bayerntone]

What brings us to the conclusion that the ones that know Bayern the best..............................are two BVB supporters! :)

p.s.: And yes DF...I'll take the yellow card! :D

I don't know whether Sir Manchester has mentioned this during your discussion. It is Bayern's tradition to look beyond the Bundesliga. That's why Ballack and the likes' staying in Bayern are not just for the Bundesliga nor are the players be satisfied to appear only in the outfits for Bundesliga!

The same applies to Chelski, Juve ...

[The Double]

Just imagine Rosicky feeding Thierry Henry!


No. I don't want to.

[jonam]

No. I don't want to.


"....and both being transfered to CL team Tottenham" was what I wanted to say. ;-)

[Achtung]

Bayern's strengths has since ever been that they don't rely on one player and that the club is always miles above a single player's fate. Sounds cruel? That's business and that's part of the story how they become that successful.

That's true for pretty much any successful club. You can't cave to player demands when they become unreasonable, regardless of how great the player may be.

As has been said, without any kind of bidding war for Rosicky, the price proposed might be the best deal. It's always a gamble to agree early, because he could boost his price with good performances at the World Cup. Or he might not. In the end, BVB doesn't have a huge amount of leverage in this deal with only a couple of teams rumored to be interested. Sounds harsh, but you almost have to feel like its best to take whatever AM offers.

[footyfan1]

That's true for pretty much any successful club. You can't cave to player demands when they become unreasonable, regardless of how great the player may be.

I assume you mean the Ballack situation. Ballack hasn't made any unreasonable demands of Bayern. He's just ready to leave them and take the next step in his career. I'm certain he's screwing them on a possible transfer fee because of how they treated him during his first season there. Others there have told me he's never gotten over that and has been looking forward to the day he could play out his contract and leave.

He may have a chance of heart, but I doubt it. I still think he's heading to Real or Juve.


As has been said, without any kind of bidding war for Rosicky, the price proposed might be the best deal. It's always a gamble to agree early, because he could boost his price with good performances at the World Cup. Or he might not. In the end, BVB doesn't have a huge amount of leverage in this deal with only a couple of teams rumored to be interested. Sounds harsh, but you almost have to feel like its best to take whatever AM offers.

I was with you until the final sentence. I just don't know how you meant taking "whatever AM offers"??

BVB isn't doing exactly that. AM's original offer was 7M. I don't think they'll go higher than ten. That's just "guaranteed" money. I'm sure BVB will wait until at least the end of the season to see what offers come in then. No one ever said the AM offer is the best way to go, rather if they want the guaranteed money, it's the way to go and we'll accept that because the club needs that money for the recovery plan. I believe our recovery is ahead of schedule, but I think we still need the Rosicky transfer fee.

[Hypo-Luxa]

Take whatever is offered? Within reason I agree, but if it starts dipping below 10 million then you have to take into account whether or not it's financially advantageous to sell a player far below their worth. True, Rosicky's said he wants out, but as long as BVB are not in a relegation scrap and are legitimate contenders for Europe (which they are at the moment) the situation does not become as necessary. Once you take away the playmaker it is hard to replace. If a serious dip in form coincides with the departure of a player the losses will mount and that monetary gain would be negated within a season or two.
Athletico Madrid tabling 10 million is a low valuation in my opinion but not too low as to completely undermine Dortmund's plan. I tend to think that the 10 million price tag will still be low enough for the bigger clubs to remain interested. Athletico Madrid will not be his only suitors before or after the World Cup. The mania that always accompanies a deal deadline always brings out offers some clubs really shouldn't be making and a World Cup year even more so.

Dortmund are in a better position than most, with the huge and loyal fanbase and the better than average youth system, but these will not save the club from losses down the road if the amount of money received from the star's sale is not enough to cover the loss of revenues that accompany his departure.