Official BVB Transfer Thread [R]

[HeyaBVB]

Do you guys know how much Alexander Frei works for the team and how many decisive passes he makes? Goal scoring is one thing but not the only thing that shows how good a striker is...

Let me give you an example on how vital Frei is for Switzerland for example:

1. Israël-Switzerland (2-2) 1 goal, one pass

Nice , but I would expect Swiss to win this, it was only a draw

2. Switzerland-Cyprus (1-0) He scored the winning goal

As with Israel, nothing less I expected than a victory

3. Faroe Island - Switzerland (1-3) 2 goal

and again
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4. Switzerland-Israel (1-1) Hits the post and scored one goal
Israel still is no Italy or France

5. Cyprus-Switzerland (1-3) Scores the first goal
See my Comments above :)

6. Switzerland-Turkey (2-0) Made a decisive pass when Behrami scored
You see the first big opponent and no goal :)

7. Turkey-Switzerland (4-2) Got a penalty, scored it and made a decisive pass.


Basically, Frei scored 7 goals and made 4 desicive passes and he his not on the top of his form.

Alexander Frei is not only a player that scores goals, he works hard for the team and gives a lot of good passes. I dont see any strikers that are better than him for the same price...

So I don't see goals against a Top-Class team here ... so I would say too that he is overhyped .... And 10million is way too much ... 2 ... maybe 2,5 but not more ... and even that I think we can't afford

[The Old Lady Hertha]

So I don't see goals against a Top-Class team here ... so I would say too that he is overhyped .... And 10million is way too much ... 2 ... maybe 2,5 but not more ... and even that I think we can't afford

Overhyped...Maybe a bit.

2.5 million...HELL NO! He's definitely worth more than that, I'd say 5-7 mio euro range. We are just looking into his international record. His league form can be blistering at times. The only strikers that are better than him right now in France still are Carew and Pauleta.

[HeyaBVB]

It's the french league, despite the UEFA rating, I don't see this league stronger than the BL :)

[The Old Lady Hertha]

I'll agree with that, but if you look at how strikers are rated, there's no way he is less than 5 million. Pascal Feinduono, a striker at St. Etienne who does absolutely squadoosh now, commands a 1.5 mio euro transfer fee....so a productive player like Frei has to command some dough.

[footyfan1]

I'll agree with that, but if you look at how strikers are rated, there's no way he is less than 5 million. Pascal Feinduono, a striker at St. Etienne who does absolutely squadoosh now, commands a 1.5 mio euro transfer fee....so a productive player like Frei has to command some dough.


He's "productive" in France. And he also needs groin surgery. That will drop his price. (See the article posted to the BVB e-mail list)

I don't feel this comes down to a comparison of other players or their prices that means anything. This isn't like choosing between Wal-Mart and Target.

I think it's what that player is worth to that club. I agree that Frei is probably worth between 4-6M, but BVB doesn't have to splash out that kind of cash on Frei. I don't think we have that kind of cash to hand out.

If we can't get Frei for a low to middle single digit number in the millions, I'd rather have Wolfsburg's Diego Klimowicz. Yes, Klimowicz is older, but we KNOW what he can do in the Bundesliga.

Again, I would love to have Frei in our shirt next season. Of course, BVB fans would expect him to produce for us the way Stephane Chapuisat did.

But as I've repeated over and over, I don't want BVB to "break the bank" for Frei. And our "bank" is pretty low. There are other routes we can take. If we can't afford Frei, we just can't freakin' afford him.

If Wolfsburg won't sell Klimowicz at a decent price, get Benjamin Auer (Mainz - Free Transfer) and see if BvM can train him well enough to realize the massive potential many thought he had three or four years ago.

[Hypo-Luxa]

I agree that we shouldn't break the bank on Frei, nor should we break the bank on anyone. We cannot get carried away with our current league position and throw away all of the work being done to get us out of the financial hole. That being said, if the budget was there for a Frei purchase I would be happy. Whether he'd be a productive forward or not will be clearly evident when he and his Swiss boys play France and South Korea (and whoever else when they advance) this summer. But if Dortmund are serious about purchasing him they should do it before the World Cup when his stock will more than likely rise.

And until Amoah proves himself in the Bundesliga, Dortmund have to look at attacking options. Especially if Rosicky moves on (oh PLEASE no!)....

[footyfan1]

I agree that we shouldn't break the bank on Frei, nor should we break the bank on anyone. We cannot get carried away with our current league position and throw away all of the work being done to get us out of the financial hole. That being said, if the budget was there for a Frei purchase I would be happy. Whether he'd be a productive forward or not will be clearly evident when he and his Swiss boys play France and South Korea (and whoever else when they advance) this summer. But if Dortmund are serious about purchasing him they should do it before the World Cup when his stock will more than likely rise.

And this is why it more than likely will not happen. Then again, who's to say Frei will have a good World Cup? Who's to say he won't bomb out? We just don't know. What I do know is that he isn't worth breaking our financial plan for.



And until Amoah proves himself in the Bundesliga, Dortmund have to look at attacking options.

BvM told everyone when we got Amoah that he isn't the permanent solution at central striker. I think Amoah will wind up either on a wing or moving Smolarek back to the wing. And I think he's a solution for this season only. In the future, he may be first guy off the bench.


Especially if Rosicky moves on (oh PLEASE no!)....

Get used to the idea. After this season, Tomas Rosicky in Dortmund is history. Steven Pienaar is coming in to replace Rosicky, who will more than likely join his brother at Atletico Madrid, although he'd be much better off at the other, bigger, Madrid club.

Rosicky stellar play is his gift back to the club. It should raise what BVB can ask for him, though if you believe the press, BVB and Atletico are going to agree on a ten million Euro transfer fee.

I think we should gamble and look to get more for him after the World Cup, but the club needs to money, so the ten million will be acceptable. But I wouldn't trust Atletico for the money. I'd want it up front.

[Bayerntone]

Rosicky stellar play is his gift back to the club. It should raise what BVB can ask for him, though if you believe the press, BVB and Atletico are going to agree on a ten million Euro transfer fee.

I think we should gamble and look to get more for him after the World Cup, but the club needs to money, so the ten million will be acceptable. But I wouldn't trust Atletico for the money. I'd want it up front.

I think Rosicky is as good as Hleb who was transferred to Arsenal for 10 million pounds. BVB should ask more for Rosicky's transfer.

[footyfan1]

I think Rosicky is as good as Hleb who was transferred to Arsenal for 10 million pounds. BVB should ask more for Rosicky's transfer.

They did. Right now, Atletico's offer is the best they have. People are "lowballing" BVB because they know the club needs the money more than it needs the player.

You can only conisder the offers you get. Right now, there's not a huge demand for Rosicky. Right now, the big clubs are salivating over Ballack.

[Bayerntone]

They did. Right now, Atletico's offer is the best they have. People are "lowballing" BVB because they know the club needs the money more than it needs the player.

You can only conisder the offers you get. Right now, there's not a huge demand for Rosicky. Right now, the big clubs are salivating over Ballack.

I think BVB should not rush selling Rosicky until the dust for Ballack is settled (soon and if he is not staying in Germany, Bayern will get nothing :mad: ); then BVB can ask for more.

[The Old Lady Hertha]

I think BVB should not rush selling Rosicky until the dust for Ballack is settled (soon and if he is not staying in Germany, Bayern will get nothing :mad: ); then BVB can ask for more.

His price will only drop even more as time goes on...his contract ends in 2007 and BVB will be by then hoping to get ANYTHING for the lad. Thats usually how it goes for a player who's contract is about to end at the end of the season. 10 mio now is a good deal for Rosicky IMO.

[footyfan1]

I think BVB should not rush selling Rosicky until the dust for Ballack is settled (soon and if he is not staying in Germany, Bayern will get nothing :mad: ); then BVB can ask for more.


I'm with you there. I'd like BVB to wait until the end of the World Cup to sell him, but they are satisfied with 10M for him and if they can get a sure 10M rather than gamble and hope he doesn't get hurt at the World Cup, then I'm with the club on that.

Of course they WANT more, but they have to make sure they get at least 10M.

BVB don't have the luxury of waiting. Rosicky's transfer fee is a major part of the financial restructuring plan. BVB has to get that money. So, if they get a guaranteed 10M, I don't mind them taking it.

There isn't such a demand for Rosicky as you seem to think there is........

[jonam]

His price will only drop even more as time goes on...his contract ends in 2007 and BVB will be by then hoping to get ANYTHING for the lad. Thats usually how it goes for a player who's contract is about to end at the end of the season. 10 mio now is a good deal for Rosicky IMO.


2008...

[The Old Lady Hertha]

2008...

Are you serious?? Hmmm the entire time I thought it was 2007...nvm then sorry Bayerntone. :o

[footyfan1]

His price will only drop even more as time goes on...his contract ends in 2007 and BVB will be by then hoping to get ANYTHING for the lad. Thats usually how it goes for a player who's contract is about to end at the end of the season. 10 mio now is a good deal for Rosicky IMO.


Don't 100% agree. We don't know what his price would do. If he has a good World Cup, his price would go up. If he has a s#itty World Cup or gets hurt during the World Cup, THEN BVB would be stuck.

Either way, we do agree now that 10M is a good deal for Rosicky. It's still right around more than what BVB paid for him back in 2001.

We got our money's worth.

[footyfan1]

2008...


Right!

[Dead Fingers]

Don't 100% agree. We don't know what his price would do. If he has a good World Cup, his price would go up. If he has a s#itty World Cup or gets hurt during the World Cup, THEN BVB would be stuck.

Either way, we do agree now that 10M is a good deal for Rosicky. It's still right around more than what BVB paid for him back in 2001.

We got our money's worth.

What is he currently "valued" at? Around 10??

Let me edit this....Do you think he is worth 10?

[jonam]

I'm with you there. I'd like BVB to wait until the end of the World Cup to sell him, but they are satisfied with 10M for him and if they can get a sure 10M rather than gamble and hope he doesn't get hurt at the World Cup, then I'm with the club on that.

Of course they WANT more, but they have to make sure they get at least 10M.

BVB don't have the luxury of waiting. Rosicky's transfer fee is a major part of the financial restructuring plan. BVB has to get that money. So, if they get a guaranteed 10M, I don't mind them taking it.

There isn't such a demand for Rosicky as you seem to think there is........


Agree. Normally a gamble would be the answer. If he shines his value could rocket up to 20 Mio. Still, at the moment 10 sure millions will help the club. It is not that we couldn't live without the money, but it helps reduce debts and in particular pay off one single creditor who lent us 15 Mio Euro - his name is Sahle and he is still waiting for his money. That is also part of the answer why we sold Ewerthon, btw.

[Bayerntone]

I'm with you there. I'd like BVB to wait until the end of the World Cup to sell him, but they are satisfied with 10M for him and if they can get a sure 10M rather than gamble and hope he doesn't get hurt at the World Cup, then I'm with the club on that.

Of course they WANT more, but they have to make sure they get at least 10M.

BVB don't have the luxury of waiting. Rosicky's transfer fee is a major part of the financial restructuring plan. BVB has to get that money. So, if they get a guaranteed 10M, I don't mind them taking it.

There isn't such a demand for Rosicky as you seem to think there is........

BVB has exposed its financial positions for everyone in the business to exploit. This is fundamental.

As for the contractual status pre- or post world cup for Rosicky, a yes or no.
If the coming world cup will turn out to be Rosicky's tournament, his asking price will definitely be more coz the tournament is just at the turn of the corner.

[Bayerntone]

Are you serious?? Hmmm the entire time I thought it was 2007...nvm then sorry Bayerntone. :o

u have nothing to feel sorry for, Hertha. :D