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[The Old Lady Hertha]

Pienaar's not that much of a goal threat. He's only scored 6 goals in past 2 years in the Eridivisie, according to Fussballdaten.

[footyfan1]

Pienaar's not that much of a goal threat. He's only scored 6 goals in past 2 years in the Eridivisie, according to Fussballdaten.


I said Pienaar will be more of a goal-scoring threat than Rosicky was for us. That's my opinion based on what I've seen of him.

You can go by the numbers you chose to use and one can't really argue with numbers.

But they don't always tell the entire story. Especially when the writer is only trying to show you one side of the story.

Get this.

Rosicky had 9 goals for us over the past two seasons. In 55 matches.

Pienaar scored his 6 over the past two seasons in 39 matches.

Who do you think is truly more of a goal-scoring threat??

Oh, and there isn't much of a difference defensively between the Dutch League and the Bundesliga.

vdV made the jump rather easily, de Jong hit some bumps, but did well. And as much as I ride Smolarek, he was warming the bench for Feyenoord when we got him, but he has been scoring in the Bundesliga, hasn't he?.....


Sure, Rosicky had three more goals than Piennar over the past two seasons, but he had 16 more matches to score them in too.

Hmmm.......

What your numbers don't tell us are the matches Piennar lost to injury.

But no. You didn't care to look for that. You just wanted to throw the negative up there, right?

You found a number to make your point.

I think my numbers, from the same source you used, more than make my point.....

If I didn't know you better, I'd call that a straight up "hater mail". :mad:

[jpatel1508]

How much would Dortmund ask if Arsenal came in for Nuri Sahin again? Was hoping Arsenal did a double swoop for the Dortmund pair as I rate Nuri highly. The lad is fantastic and possibly the next best playmaker...in the mould of Zidane.

[footyfan1]

How much would Dortmund ask if Arsenal came in for Nuri Sahin again? Was hoping Arsenal did a double swoop for the Dortmund pair as I rate Nuri highly. The lad is fantastic and possibly the next best playmaker...in the mould of Zidane.


BVB management has made it clear more than once. Nuri Sahin is NOT FOR SALE!!

I suspect they would think twice if someone made a ridiculous offer, but they don't plan to sell the kid.

Don't believe everything you read in the papers when it comes to Dortmund's financial problems.

Rosicky would have been sold after last season, but no one met Dortmund's price. This year, they did.

So, despite what you might read in some papers, I'm here to tell you there will be no fire sale in Dortmund.

The next player to be sold will most likely be Delron Buckley. Other than Buckley, I don't think they're planning to sell anyone else.

And I don't believe Buckley will be sold unless we purchase two strikers, not just one.........

[HeyaBVB]

BVB management has made it clear more than once. Nuri Sahin is NOT FOR SALE!!

I suspect they would think twice if someone made a ridiculous offer, but they don't plan to sell the kid.

Don't believe everything you read in the papers when it comes to Dortmund's financial problems.

Rosicky would have been sold after last season, but no one met Dortmund's price. This year, they did.

So, despite what you might read in some papers, I'm here to tell you there will be no fire sale in Dortmund.

The next player to be sold will most likely be Delron Buckley. Other than Buckley, I don't think they're planning to sell anyone else.

And I don't believe Buckley will be sold unless we purchase two strikers, not just one.........


I wonder if they secretly extended with Van der Gun, cause he got no farewell .. I would like to see the guy in action ... when he played he looked more dangerous then Amoah or Ebi

[The Old Lady Hertha]

I said Pienaar will be more of a goal-scoring threat than Rosicky was for us. That's my opinion based on what I've seen of him.

You can go by the numbers you chose to use and one can't really argue with numbers.

But they don't always tell the entire story. Especially when the writer is only trying to show you one side of the story.

Get this.

Rosicky had 9 goals for us over the past two seasons. In 55 matches.

Pienaar scored his 6 over the past two seasons in 39 matches.

Who do you think is truly more of a goal-scoring threat??

Oh, and there isn't much of a difference defensively between the Dutch League and the Bundesliga.

vdV made the jump rather easily, de Jong hit some bumps, but did well. And as much as I ride Smolarek, he was warming the bench for Feyenoord when we got him, but he has been scoring in the Bundesliga, hasn't he?.....


Sure, Rosicky had three more goals than Piennar over the past two seasons, but he had 16 more matches to score them in too.

Hmmm.......

What your numbers don't tell us are the matches Piennar lost to injury.

But no. You didn't care to look for that. You just wanted to throw the negative up there, right?

You found a number to make your point.

I think my numbers, from the same source you used, more than make my point.....

If I didn't know you better, I'd call that a straight up "hater mail". :mad:


LOL ok...:D

I was just saying he isn't that much of a goal threat. :confused:

[HeyaBVB]

LOL ok...:D

I was just saying he isn't that much of a goal threat. :confused:
Keith he is Hertha fan and missguided ... he follows the dark side :)

[footyfan1]

I wonder if they secretly extended with Van der Gun, cause he got no farewell .. I would like to see the guy in action ... when he played he looked more dangerous then Amoah or Ebi


We agree there. van der Gun was really looking good when he got hurt and he really sparked the team when he came in at Bayern. I like him too.

Plus, the little f#cker is about as fast as Odonkor!! LOL!! :D

I will say that I think Amoah just needs more time. I think Amoah is the main reason we'll probably sell Buckley.

Ebi, I think, is a "streaky" player. When he gets on a "hot streak", there aren't many better.

However, most of the time, he's just plain old Ebi. And while "plain old Ebi" works his ass off for the team, he isn't good enough to be on the pitch as much as he is for a team who has European aspirations.

[footyfan1]

LOL ok...:D

I was just saying he isn't that much of a goal threat. :confused:


And what I said had nothing to do with that. I said he'd be more of a goal threat than Rosicky.

Plus, he's not looked upon to be a scorer first, so six goals in 39 matches is actually decent for a "playmaker".

How much of him have you actually seen? Or did you just read that little number and decided for yourself that he isn't much of a goal threat??

[footyfan1]

Keith he is Hertha fan and missguided ... he follows the dark side :)


Nah. I think he was unconciously trying to douse the little bit of optimism we're getting out of this deal. I don't even think that was his intention.

As I said, numbers don't tell the entire story. I didn't see Pienaar play once last season and only a bit this season.

I got Ajax fans to forward video of him (I've built a nice little network over the years! ;) ). They seem to think we got ourselves a nice little midfielder. Not a vDv by any stretch, but a player who has the potential to be the threat Rosicky never turned out to be for us.

And I'm not saying Pienaar is going to be better than Rosicky. No way. I just think he'll score more, that's all.

[HeyaBVB]

Dortmund: Weiter dickes Fragezeichen hinter Alex Frei - Interesse am Brasilianer Tinga - 26.05.2006 09:54
So gut wie sicher: Valdez unterschreibt bis 2010 beim BVB
Noch vor gut einem Jahr wäre der Ablauf auf der Grundlage der "Molsiris“- Gläubigervereinbarung wie folgt gewesen: Die Ablösesumme für Tomas Rosicky (25) hätte sich der Grevener Unternehmer Albert Sahle, an den im Gegenzug für einen 15-Millionen-Euro-Kredit (2004) die Transferrechte abgetreten worden waren, unter den Nagel gerissen, das Geld wäre weg - und kein neuer Spieler im Anmarsch gewesen.
Hier noch im Duell, bald aber wohl Teamkameraden: Valdez (li.) und Brzenska.
Heute nutzt KGaA-Geschäftsführer Hans- Joachim Watzke (46) die neue unternehmerische Freiheit, die er sich in knochenharter Sanierungsarbeit erworben hat.

Dortmund kann die Transfer**Entschädigung für Rosicky, der beim Champions-League**Finalisten FC Arsenal einen Vertrag bis 2010 signierte, reinvestieren. Und mindestens vier dieser 9,5 Millionen Euro werden aller Voraussicht nach auf das Konto von Vizemeister Werder Bremen wandern. Bei Stürmer Nelson Valdez (22), der für vier Jahre in Dortmund zugesagt hat, geht Watzke davon aus, "dass in den nächsten Tagen eine Einigung mit Werder erfolgt". Valdez wäre nach Steven Pienaar (24, Ajax Amsterdam, Mittelfeld, ablösefrei) und Martin Amedick (23, Braunschweig, Abwehr, ablösefrei) der dritte Neuzugang der Borussia.

Hinter Nummer vier, Alexander Frei (26, Stade Rennes, Angriff ), steht weiter ein dickes Fragezeichen. "Wir werden in den nächsten Tagen intern besprechen, wie wir weiter vorgehen", sagt Watzke, "und wir werden eine Grenze festlegen, bis zu der sich ein Transfer für uns lohnt." Streitpunkt zwischen beiden Klubs ist die Ablöse, die Franzosen fordern sieben Millionen Euro für den Schweizer, Dortmund bietet offenbar nur die Hälfte. "Bei aller Klasse, die Frei ohne Zweifel verkörpert, sind wir nicht bereit, fünf oder sechs Millionen Euro für einen Spieler zu zahlen, dessen Vertrag in einem Jahr ausläuft", betont Watzke, "es wird bei uns keine unvernünftigen Dinge mehr geben."

Eben deshalb gab der KGaAChef zu Wochenbeginn im Poker um Rosicky Atletico Madrid einen Korb - und dem FC Arsenal den Zuschlag, der sich im Gegensatz zu den ewig zaudernden Spaniern bereit erklärte, ein Großteil der verabredeten Summe sofort anzuweisen. Pavel Paska, seit fast elf Jahren Rosickys Berater, berichtet von "sehr harten, aber fairen Verhandlungen" mit Watzke und BVB-Sportdirektor Michael Zorc (43); mit Zorc habe er "ein Jahr gekämpft", um seinem Spieler diese Wechselmöglichkeit zu eröffnen.

Rosickys Stelle soll Pienaar einnehmen, und weil mit dessen Verpfl ichtung nicht alle Defizite im Mittelfeld beseitigt werden, ist nun auch der Brasilianer Tinga (28, Internacionale Porto Alegre, Vertrag bis 2009) zum Gegenstand konkreter Überlegungen geworden.

Zorc bestätigte auf Anfrage, dass Tinga (Rechtsfuß, 1,70 m, 65 kg) von Dortmunder Scouts beobachtet und für gut befunden worden ist. "Besonders Technik und Biss" gefallen ihm beim achtbesten Spieler der brasilianischen Liga (2005), den kicker-Korrespondent Frank Kohl wegen seiner taktischen wie positionellen Vielseitigkeit gerne mit Zé Roberto (FC Bayern) vergleicht: "Er ist Motor und Antreiber. Tinga ist viel in Bewegung, ständig anspielbar und hat ein gutes Zweikampfverhalten. Er wäre sicher ein Gewinn für Dortmund." Auch beim Liga- Konkurrenten VfL Wolfsburg soll der Vielgelobte auf der Liste stehen.

[The Old Lady Hertha]

And what I said had nothing to do with that. I said he'd be more of a goal threat than Rosicky.

Plus, he's not looked upon to be a scorer first, so six goals in 39 matches is actually decent for a "playmaker".

How much of him have you actually seen? Or did you just read that little number and decided for yourself that he isn't much of a goal threat??

No he just doesn't remind me as a goalscoring threat. :confused:

Thats just what I'm saying. Dude, you're taking this a little too far. (Again :D )

[footyfan1]

No he just doesn't remind me as a goalscoring threat. :confused:

Thats just what I'm saying. Dude, you're taking this a little too far. (Again :D )


What are you basing that assessment of him from?

How much have you seen of him??

That's my question to you.

If you're basing that assessment of him from that little number, given his position, that's not actually a bad number. Ajax didn't pay him to score.

I didn't say he was going to come to BVB and lead the team in goal-scoring. I said he was going to be more of a goal-scoring threat than Rosicky.

Yeah, yeah, you're only saying he doesn't strike you as a goal-scoring threat.

My question to you again, what are you basing that opinion on??

[The Old Lady Hertha]

What are you basing that assessment of him from?

How much have you seen of him??

That's my question to you.

If you're basing that assessment of him from that little number, given his position, that's not actually a bad number. Ajax didn't pay him to score.

I didn't say he was going to come to BVB and lead the team in goal-scoring. I said he was going to be more of a goal-scoring threat than Rosicky.

Yeah, yeah, you're only saying he doesn't strike you as a goal-scoring threat.

My question to you again, what are you basing that opinion on??

I see him a lot (for some odd reason) on the National Team. Just doesn't strike me as that MUCH of a goal-scoring threat.

I'm NOT saying he's a bad player. I just think he's a poor man's Rosicky. That might actually be better for you guys. Rosicky was a great player, but never really fulfilled his potential (esp. under Sammer). Maybe under van Marwijk, Pienaar will take it to the next level.

We shall see :)

[footyfan1]

I see him a lot (for some odd reason) on the National Team. Just doesn't strike me as that MUCH of a goal-scoring threat.

I'm NOT saying he's a bad player. I just think he's a poor man's Rosicky. That might actually be better for you guys. Rosicky was a great player, but never really fulfilled his potential (esp. under Sammer). Maybe under van Marwijk, Pienaar will take it to the next level.

We shall see :)


We're closer to agreement that anything. He is a "poor man's Rosicky". No doubt.

I think I even made it clear in one message that there's no way I'm saying he'll be better than Rosicky.

However, from what I've seen of Pienaar, I think he'll be more of a scoring threat for us than Rosicky turned out to be.

Go back to my initial statement. That's all I've been saying.

[The Old Lady Hertha]

We're closer to agreement that anything. He is a "poor man's Rosicky". No doubt.

I think I even made it clear in one message that there's no way I'm saying he'll be better than Rosicky.

However, from what I've seen of Pienaar, I think he'll be more of a scoring threat for us than Rosicky turned out to be.

Go back to my initial statement. That's all I've been saying.

And I agree there too!

I think that Pienaar is more of a goal threat!

I'm just saying he's not that much of a goal threat. Rosicky was hardly a goal threat IMO.

I didn't disagree with anything you said!!

[footyfan1]

And I agree there too!

I think that Pienaar is more of a goal threat!

I'm just saying he's not that much of a goal threat. Rosicky was hardly a goal threat IMO.

I didn't disagree with anything you said!!


That much of a goal threat when compared to who?? Rosicky had the skills to be a big-time goal threat, but lost his motivation along the way.

Pienaar has those same skills. Pienaar just isn't as good at the other aspects of the game.

Yet........

[The Old Lady Hertha]

That much of a goal threat when compared to who?? Rosicky had the skills to be a big-time goal threat, but lost his motivation along the way.

Pienaar has those same skills. Pienaar just isn't as good at the other aspects of the game.

Yet........

BvM is a great coach. Behind Magath and Schaaf and Hans Meyer, I think he's the best manager in die Bundesliga. Pienaar will do well.

As for van der Gun...I'd be more pessimistic of him. You're basing your judgements on the few games he played. The jury is still out on him.

As for Amoah...if he doesn't shape up in the first 2 months of next season, dump his ass. I only saw him twice, and in both games he missed many chances. Especially that Hertha game.

As for Smolarek...I agree completely. He has Adriano-ish goal-scoring streaks and Adriano-ish patches of just horrendous finishing. :D

[footyfan1]

BvM is a great coach. Behind Magath and Schaaf and Hans Meyer, I think he's the best manager in die Bundesliga. Pienaar will do well.


I think BvM is a better coach than Magath. A monkey can win with the Bayern lineup. At Stuttgart, yes, he did well with youngsters, but he also had a very good defensive base to build from.


As for van der Gun...I'd be more pessimistic of him. You're basing your judgements on the few games he played. The jury is still out on him.

Of course I'm basing my OPINION of him on the few matches he's played. WTF else am I supposed to base it from??!!! :mad:

You're writing like we said van der Gun is going to be a star or something. All we said was that we like the guy and we want to see more of him!

Damn! Are you that paranoid that BVB are going to kick Hertha's asses next year that you have to come on here and put down the few players we are trying to be optimistic about??


As for Amoah...if he doesn't shape up in the first 2 months of next season, dump his ass. I only saw him twice, and in both games he missed many chances. Especially that Hertha game.

See, that's the difference between casual fans and hardcore fans. We know you don't dump a guy after basically three months. You don't dump a guy because he had a couple of bad matches.

If you wrote the same thing about dumping Buckley, I'd agree. But saying that about Amoah, I think is borderline ridiculous.

He gets all of next season. If he doesn't shape up in that time, then you get rid of him.

He doesn't play if he doesn't produce. If we get the players we want, he'll be on the bench anyhow.


As for Smolarek...I agree completely. He has Adriano-ish goal-scoring streaks and Adriano-ish patches of just horrendous finishing. :D

Smolarek has nothing Adriano-ish. He's a plain guy who gets hot every now and then. Adriano is a freakin' scorer who hits bad patches every now and then.......

[The Old Lady Hertha]

I think BvM is a better coach than Magath. A monkey can win with the Bayern lineup. At Stuttgart, yes, he did well with youngsters, but he also had a very good defensive base to build from.

Yea, meant to say that...




Of course I'm basing my OPINION of him on the few matches he's played. WTF else am I supposed to base it from??!!! :mad:

You're writing like we said van der Gun is going to be a star or something. All we said was that we like the guy and we want to see more of him!

Damn! Are you that paranoid that BVB are going to kick Hertha's asses next year that you have to come on here and put down the few players we are trying to be optimistic about??

Err...of course I am! :D We'd be lucky to beat you guys next year with the way our squad is looking next year.

All I said is the "jury is still out on him." I didn't knock on him at all.




See, that's the difference between casual fans and hardcore fans. We know you don't dump a guy after basically three months. You don't dump a guy because he had a couple of bad matches.

If you wrote the same thing about dumping Buckley, I'd agree. But saying that about Amoah, I think is borderline ridiculous.

He gets all of next season. If he doesn't shape up in that time, then you get rid of him.

He doesn't play if he doesn't produce. If we get the players we want, he'll be on the bench anyhow.

He's got 3 months and then offseason and the first 2 months of this season for me. Iono maybe it's because of Hertha's strikers, but we don't like giving our strikers time. :D


Smolarek has nothing Adriano-ish. He's a plain guy who gets hot every now and then. Adriano is a freakin' scorer who hits bad patches every now and then.......

Hence the "-ish."

We all know Smolarek is NOTHING like Adriano.