Official BVB Transfer Thread [R]

[footyfan1]

Skysports reports that Werder Bremen SV are after Christoph Metzelder.


We were talking about this on the list yesterday and today. Metze wants to evaluate his situation at BVB before committing to a new extension. I don't blame him. But with Brzenska seemingly having lost his lucky clover, I think we need to keep Metzelder around. And I think he'll stay as long as BvM makes him feel that he's a big part of the team.

[The Old Lady Hertha]

But if Werder come up with ~3-4 million, I think he will be gone for sure.

[footyfan1]

But if Werder come up with ~3-4 million, I think he will be gone for sure.


No, he wouldn't be. We aren't that desperate for money. Besides, if we were willing to give him up just like that, we'd simply swap him for Valdez.

Don't believe the hype on Brzenska. He isn't as good as Metzelder and possibly never will be.

I think Brzenska was just on a "hot streak" and now that it's done, we are seeing the true Markus Brzenska again.

I think Metzelder will extend with BVB as soon as he has assurances from BvM that as long as he keeps his form up, his place at the club is safe.

[The Old Lady Hertha]

No, he wouldn't be. We aren't that desperate for money. Besides, if we were willing to give him up just like that, we'd simply swap him for Valdez.

Don't believe the hype on Brzenska. He isn't as good as Metzelder and possibly never will be.

I think Brzenska was just on a "hot streak" and now that it's done, we are seeing the true Markus Brzenska again.

I think Metzelder will extend with BVB as soon as he has assurances from BvM that as long as he keeps his form up, his place at the club is safe.

I saw him against Hertha and I thought he was brilliant (I was shocked that he got a "4" by kicker, I thought he was even better than Woerns).

Maybe Metzelder needs a new challenge. And if he doesn't get BVM's assurances, he should go. If you get Valdez for that, I consider that a good deal. Werder would definitely need a new striker though, but they have the money for at least a decent striker to backup K&K

[footyfan1]

I saw him against Hertha and I thought he was brilliant (I was shocked that he got a "4" by kicker, I thought he was even better than Woerns).

LOL!! It's amazing how two people can see the same thing so differently. I thought Woerns carried Brzenska's ass in that match.



Maybe Metzelder needs a new challenge. And if he doesn't get BVM's assurances, he should go. If you get Valdez for that, I consider that a good deal. Werder would definitely need a new striker though, but they have the money for at least a decent striker to backup K&K

Dude, you don't understand or you don't want to understand. Metzelder isn't going anywhere unless he decides it. If the club banishes him or trades him for Valdez, many of the fans won't stand for it. And the one thing BVB is totally afraid to do is make a move that isn't popular with the fans. The last time they did it was when they got Lehmann, but that worked out well.

BvM should be seeing that Brzenska has had his flashes, but he isn't good enough to warrant giving Metzelder his walking papers.

Brzenska's little hot streak is over. He's back to being just plain old Markus Brzenska. I think you'll see Metzelder starting the rest of the season whether Woerns gets suspended or not.

I was at the match this past Saturday. Bringing in Metzelder gave the team a lift in the second half and at times, he looked like his old self.

BVB are not going to let Metzelder go if they have any choice in the matter. I say that with full confidence.

[The Old Lady Hertha]

LOL!! It's amazing how two people can see the same thing so differently. I thought Woerns carried Brzenska's ass in that match.
I think I could have been under the whim of the commentator (it was not a FSC commentator, but a British-accented Bundesliga commentator, who I have more trust in), but I did see him put some nice last ditch tackles and stuff like that. I though Kehl had a poor game in containing Basturk and Brzenska and Woerns had to help him a lot. Basturk was on fire that game and the only thing he was missing was a goal.





Dude, you don't understand or you don't want to understand. Metzelder isn't going anywhere unless he decides it. If the club banishes him or trades him for Valdez, many of the fans won't stand for it. And the one thing BVB is totally afraid to do is make a move that isn't popular with the fans. The last time they did it was when they got Lehmann, but that worked out well.

BvM should be seeing that Brzenska has had his flashes, but he isn't good enough to warrant giving Metzelder his walking papers.

Brzenska's little hot streak is over. He's back to being just plain old Markus Brzenska. I think you'll see Metzelder starting the rest of the season whether Woerns gets suspended or not.

I was at the match this past Saturday. Bringing in Metzelder gave the team a lift in the second half and at times, he looked like his old self.

BVB are not going to let Metzelder go if they have any choice in the matter. I say that with full confidence.

See, thats where my "ignorance" comes in. I didn't see the past game nor did I know that the fans were affectionate to Metzelder. But we must see him for a few more games and then decide whether or not he can still be a good defender for BVB.

[footyfan1]

I think I could have been under the whim of the commentator (it was not a FSC commentator, but a British-accented Bundesliga commentator, who I have more trust in), but I did see him put some nice last ditch tackles and stuff like that. I though Kehl had a poor game in containing Basturk and Brzenska and Woerns had to help him a lot. Basturk was on fire that game and the only thing he was missing was a goal.

I don't need a commentator to tell me what's happening. I see it myself. I don't just watch the ball. I try to see what's going on around the ball.

You're lauding Brzenska because you think he helped Kehl with Basturk?

Look at the Hertha chances if you get another shot. See who Brzenska should be marking and where that guy is and where Brzenska is most of the time.




See, thats where my "ignorance" comes in. I didn't see the past game nor did I know that the fans were affectionate to Metzelder. But we must see him for a few more games and then decide whether or not he can still be a good defender for BVB.

I don't need to decide s#it. I'd venture to say neither do most BVB fans. This is only an issue to anyone who doesn't know BVB.

Christian Woerns might have a season or two left in those old bones.

They would be CRAZY to leave the future of the BVB central defense to Markus Brzenska. We don't know what we have yet in Martin Amedick. I thought Uwe Hunemeier showed some potential in his one match, but as I keep saying on the list, "Potential is just promise unfulfilled". We don't know what he will be either.

We know what Christoph Metzelder is and we know what we have in him. Once again, my opinion on this is that unless Metzelder wants to leave, he's going nowhere.

You know, just a few weeks ago, Werder were talking about trying to get Dede as a part of that Valdez deal.

Dede just signed an extension with BVB until 2011.

In other words, none of us gives a flying f#ck about what Werder wants. They'll get the money they want for Valdez. They didn't get Dede and I'd venture to say they won't get Metzelder either.

You don't see them asking for Markus Brzenska, do you???? ;)

[The Old Lady Hertha]

I don't need a commentator to tell me what's happening. I see it myself. I don't just watch the ball. I try to see what's going on around the ball.

You're lauding Brzenska because you think he helped Kehl with Basturk?

Look at the Hertha chances if you get another shot. See who Brzenska should be marking and where that guy is and where Brzenska is most of the time.

I'll skip the second part of your response, because I am no BVB fan and I could care less now :D

But in that game, we had plenty of chances in 2nd half and I thought Brzenska saved at least 2 goals. Sure he may not be the most polished sword out there, but he was brave and was willing. I think that his timing and positioning will improve with time. He has Christian Woerns to learn from. But that is not enough, he needs playing time too.

Hmm...seems like I've lost my way here. :p Eh...do whatever, I'm done arguing...I'm in class and I'm tired. :o

[thepundit]

get Jarosik!!! as for strikers if you've got any money at all you'll find that this summer should provide a huge market for strikers.

[footyfan1]

I'll skip the second part of your response, because I am no BVB fan and I could care less now :D

But in that game, we had plenty of chances in 2nd half and I thought Brzenska saved at least 2 goals. Sure he may not be the most polished sword out there, but he was brave and was willing. I think that his timing and positioning will improve with time. He has Christian Woerns to learn from. But that is not enough, he needs playing time too.

Hmm...seems like I've lost my way here. :p Eh...do whatever, I'm done arguing...I'm in class and I'm tired. :o


And you base your entire argument off one match? I can counter that just by how f#cking AWFUL he was this past week against Nuernberg.......

[david29]

get Jarosik!!! as for strikers if you've got any money at all you'll find that this summer should provide a huge market for strikers.

I suspect we won't be the only suitors for Jiri Jarosik come summertime, though the problem might well be that he's not willing to leave England. While at the moment it seems unlikely that Birmingham will be playing Premiership football next season, there will more than likely be several clubs, especially from London, that will be chasing him and that's not discounting the possibility that Mourinho could want him back at Stamford Bridge. Then there's the fact that we can't really guarantee him first team football anyway, though he would most likely be a regular starter. I guess we'll have to wait and see if Steve Bruce can save his team from relegation before we know any more.

As for strikers, I'm still keeping my fingers crossed that Werder will take the money and let Valdez join before the World Cup starts. If not, and he scores some goals for Paraguay in June, we could either be left searching for more than just the €3.5million that's been mentioned so far or having to fend off bigger clubs for his signature. As far as Alexander Frei is concerned, my opinion hasn't changed since rumours first began several months ago. If we secure him cheaply, and by that I mean somewhere in the €2-€3million range, then I'd be pleased. Anything more, and logic says that Rennes are going to ask for significantly more than that, and I think he's too expensive for a solid, but hardly spectacular player.

[KUBI_nu11]

Anything more, and logic says that Rennes are going to ask for significantly more than that, and I think he's too expensive for a solid, but hardly spectacular player.

Do you want somebody spectacular or someone who can score around 20 goals a season?



You guys don' t undertstand how good Alexander Frei is and how hard he works for the team.

When he will finish best scorer in the Bundesliga for Dortmund we will talk about if he was worth between 7 and 10 millions :p

[thepundit]

get Carew from Lyon. Sergio Aguero from Independiente. Nilmar from Corinthians. the big Serbian Zigic from Red Star Belgrade. Alex from Fenerbahnce (sp?). Nicolas Anelka from Fener. Ribery from Marseille. one of the 40000 good Dutch league prospects.

[david29]

Do you want somebody spectacular or someone who can score around 20 goals a season?

You guys don' t undertstand how good Alexander Frei is and how hard he works for the team.

When he will finish best scorer in the Bundesliga for Dortmund we will talk about if he was worth between 7 and 10 millions :p

I guess that middle sentence sums this up quite well. Some people really rate him, others do not. I wouldn't claim to have seen him in action as many times as I suspect you have, so I can only comment to such an extent. However, given our fiancial position and his inexperience either playing in the Bundesliga or another of the major European leagues, I see anything in the region of €7-10 million as simply too much money. Just to be clear, when I used the terms solid and spectacular that wasn't any reference to flair or style of play, simply the difference I see between good and great players. That said, I would happily be proven wrong on this issue and see Frei, if he were to arrive in Dortmund, score a bag of goals next year in black and yellow!

[thepundit]

i think Dortmund's financial situation is the chief problem else 7 million euros would certainly not be overmuch for Ligue 1's top scorer.

[HeyaBVB]

I guess that middle sentence sums this up quite well. Some people really rate him, others do not. I wouldn't claim to have seen him in action as many times as I suspect you have, so I can only comment to such an extent. However, given our fiancial position and his inexperience either playing in the Bundesliga or another of the major European leagues, I see anything in the region of €7-10 million as simply too much money. Just to be clear, when I used the terms solid and spectacular that wasn't any reference to flair or style of play, simply the difference I see between good and great players. That said, I would happily be proven wrong on this issue and see Frei, if he were to arrive in Dortmund, score a bag of goals next year in black and yellow!

KUBI is a Swiss Fan, he has Red/White Glasses ... like the Black and Yellow Glasses Keith says I wear. He doesn't read properly ... he only sees that we don't want Frei (Which is ********ing ridiculous as BvB wants him) ... He doesn't read that we can't afford Frei for that Price, and we don't think he is worth it.

[footyfan1]

Do you want somebody spectacular or someone who can score around 20 goals a season?



You guys don' t undertstand how good Alexander Frei is and how hard he works for the team.

When he will finish best scorer in the Bundesliga for Dortmund we will talk about if he was worth between 7 and 10 millions :p


That's the same s#it we were told when we overpaid for Jan Koller and while he scored some goals, he missed far more sitters and was an overall disappointment in my eyes for what we paid for him.

There are other guys out there CHEAPER who have scored goals in the Bundesliga.

Nobody has anything against Frei. You are taking it that way because he's your countryman.

This is about what BVB can afford. And if Frei is priced above what is good for the club, then he can go elsewhere.

Stop taking the s#it personally. This isn't about Frei, it's about money.

[footyfan1]

KUBI is a Swiss Fan, he has Red/White Glasses ... like the Black and Yellow Glasses Keith says I wear. He doesn't read properly ... he only sees that we don't want Frei (Which is ********ing ridiculous as BvB wants him) ... He doesn't read that we can't afford Frei for that Price, and we don't think he is worth it.

Damn. You nailed it......

I just pretty much said that in my last message.

[footyfan1]

i think Dortmund's financial situation is the chief problem else 7 million euros would certainly not be overmuch for Ligue 1's top scorer.


Who was the last Ligue1 "top scorer" who moved on to one of the Big Four leagues and did what was expected of him??

Tell me please. I don't recall one in recent memory.........

And if you come at me with Cisse, I think I'll die laughing.

[jonam]

westline.de reports that BVB has a plan B if they are not able to sign Valdez and Frei.......Sergej Barbarez of Hamburger SV!