Robben being sent off

[chelski72]

I was under the impression that it was a new fifa edict banning any celebration that (amongst other things) involves 'leaving the field of play'.

No such rule exists.

[billyireland]

I think for a game that involves so many emotions,a player can celebrate with his fans that pay lots of many for the game.Had he gone to the opposition fans that would have been something else.I've seen players excused for a lot worse.To think that MAN U were trying to reverse ronaldo's yellow,then we shouldn't even be talking about the Robben issue.
Erm? His yellow? I won't get into this, but it was a straight red for what Citeh's players had been doing all day long.

Robben's red was a joke, so much so that Andy Gray was literally laughing in disbelief when it happened. Really just another sign of the game getting far too strict and losing it's sense of connection with what it is there for - the fans.

[UFBeezy]

Well I think that there is a case to be made for both sides here. Players, as several have pointed out, should know that they do risk getting a yellow card for celebrating with the fans. It would seem that the ref does have some discretion on whether he can give the card or not, but the best way to avoid the situation is to not celebrate with the fans in the first place. It's a really stupid rule, because the fans are the lifeblood of the game and if you score a goal then I feel like you've earned the right to celebrate with your supporters. This is not unlike the NFL fining people for touchdown celebrations... all it does it take the fun out of the game.

Go let the guys have fun... and let them celebrate with the people that they play for when they score.

[MassachusettsRef]

I was under the impression that it was a new fifa edict banning any celebration that (amongst other things) involves 'leaving the field of play'.Yeah, as pointed out, no such FIFA edict exists. The only thing FIFA and the IFAB have done recently about goal celebrations is the banning of shirt removals--that act IS a mandatory caution, and referees have absolutely no discretion there (side question: did Robben lift his shirt over his head??). However, no such mandatory instruction--at least at the FIFA level--exists for leaving the field to celebrate. That's why I asked if it's an instruction to EPL or FA officials in general, because so many people seemed to readily accept the caution as mandatory.

Each country's FA is well within its rights to say something like "leaving the field to celebrate a goal MUST be considered unsporting behavior and sanctioned as a yellow card". Maybe the FA's done that; I just haven't seen it written down anywhere.

[Clan]

Yeah, as pointed out, no such FIFA edict exists. The only thing FIFA and the IFAB have done recently about goal celebrations is the banning of shirt removals--that act IS a mandatory caution, and referees have absolutely no discretion there (side question: did Robben lift his shirt over his head??). However, no such mandatory instruction--at least at the FIFA level--exists for leaving the field to celebrate. That's why I asked if it's an instruction to EPL or FA officials in general, because so many people seemed to readily accept the caution as mandatory.

Each country's FA is well within its rights to say something like "leaving the field to celebrate a goal MUST be considered unsporting behavior and sanctioned as a yellow card". Maybe the FA's done that; I just haven't seen it written down anywhere.

It seems that would be the case.
I've tried to find a link to it, but am unable to do so.

The commentators quite clearly stated, that the FA had indeed sent a memo to all teams, at the begining of the season, with updated FA reasons for cautions (yellow cards) - leaving the field of play to celebrate a goal was one of them.

Also, isn't leaving the field of play without the ref's permission a FIFA mandatory yellow anyway?

[Middle Of The Shed]

They took this apart on Match Of The Day 2 on Sunday.

The part they brought up was something like that it is a yellow card if the player crosses or stands on the perimeter fence.
Robben went up to the perimeter fence and only stepped over the advertising boards. So going by what they said it should not have been a yellow.
Another point is that they mentioned that not all clubs have perimeter fences in their stadiums, so essentially this rule is only valid in a certain percentage of stadiums in the country.

And of course I haven't even started on his first yellow which was soft to say the least!

Feel free to pick apart what i've just said :D

[qazwsx]

Erm? His yellow? I won't get into this, but it was a straight red for what Citeh's players had been doing all day long.

Robben's red was a joke, so much so that Andy Gray was literally laughing in disbelief when it happened. Really just another sign of the game getting far too strict and losing it's sense of connection with what it is there for - the fans.

I agree whole heartedly. It's not the decision that pisses people off, its the rule (and other stupid rules like carding players for lifting up their shirts).

[billyireland]

I agree whole heartedly. It's not the decision that pisses people off, its the rule (and other stupid rules like carding players for lifting up their shirts).
Exactly; we want a real man's game with tough tackles, and studs-to-the-sky, and direct, pacey football and real men on the pitch, and partial male nudity, and fan involvement, and lots and lots of physical contact.

:p

[qazwsx]

Exactly; we want a real man's game with tough tackles, and studs-to-the-sky, and direct, pacey football and real men on the pitch, and partial male nudity, and fan involvement, and lots and lots of physical contact.

:p

I dunno bout that :P

but I know I don't want the emotion to be taken out of the game and players to become like emotionless robots going through the motions.

[Dr_Intoxicated]

Now surely this is much more worthy of a card, as it is an act that is likely to stir up crowd trouble.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/m/man_utd/4638808.stm

[sarabella]

Now surely this is much more worthy of a card, as it is an act that is likely to stir up crowd trouble.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/m/man_utd/4638808.stm I didn't see what all the fuss was about, to be quite honest. I'm not saying he didn't deserve a card, but a criminal investigation? Did something happen that I'm missing? It seems a little extreme.

[jkdd77]

Interestingly, the same thing happened again on Saturday- a Lincoln player was sent off for two cautions after rushing over to the fans to celebrate a late equaliser.

It does seem to be a FA instruction. Whether it's sensible or not is another matter.

[Pazarius]

I didn't see what all the fuss was about, to be quite honest. I'm not saying he didn't deserve a card, but a criminal investigation?

I didn't see the incident at all either, and that article isn't very clear on what Neville actually did. The police are probably overreacting, as usual.

That said, the reason why the police are considering getting involved in this matter is that taunting opposition fans, if egregious enough, could be considered incitement to riot.

[Dr_Intoxicated]

I didn't see what all the fuss was about, to be quite honest. I'm not saying he didn't deserve a card, but a criminal investigation? Did something happen that I'm missing? It seems a little extreme.

I totally agree, the police have far too much pwer these days. For example they can veto kick off times and frequently do for the London clubs.

[Clan]

I totally agree, the police have far too much pwer these days. For example they can veto kick off times and frequently do for the London clubs.


How about 'Article 5' - do they still have the broad powers to use it the way they did years ago.

I got done twice for that, bunch of bollocks both times.

[Dr_Intoxicated]

How about 'Article 5' - do they still have the broad powers to use it the way they did years ago.

I got done twice for that, bunch of bollocks both times.

Not exactly sure but the police turned round a coach load of Milwall fans on their way to Hull recently.

http://www.millwallsupportersclub.co.uk/hullanswers.htm

[Fozzy]

whats wrong with cellebrating with your own fans.These rules are getting ridiclus by the minute.

[sarabella]

whats wrong with cellebrating with your own fans.These rules are getting ridiclus by the minute.
That's the issue. He didn't celebrate with his own fans. He ran over to the away side and put on a show for them there.

[BennyNL redded]

That's the issue. He didn't celebrate with his own fans. He ran over to the away side and put on a show for them there.

read the thread title dear :rolleyes:

[sarabella]

read the thread title dear :rolleyes:
The conversation had switched to the Neville deal, not the Robben deal.