5 degrees of separation.

[Dark Savante]

A little exercise for everyne to participate in.

All you have to do is put our squad into these 5 catergories as follows.

World Ckass Players

Rio
Rooney
RVN
Heinze

Good but not great

VDS
G.N
Ronaldo
Saha
Giggs
Scholes

Average talent

Howard
Fletcher
Brown
Park
Smith
Bardsley

Low End - eternal squaddies

Fortune
Richardson

Not MUQ

O'Shea
Silvestre

Thread inspired by Ted's comments in the match thread. Most curious as to how you would rate our squad. Players like Scholes and Giggs are in decline. The top end players are the ones who are hot right now and would right now walk into most teams in the world. Do not mark on potential, mark on the here and now!

i've included the players who are seen as established 1st teamers and who we regularly see get games or start as cover when others are out. Players like Rossi are not even wet behind the ears yet and are therefore ineligible.

[Kavster]

World Class Players

VdS
Rio
Rooney
RVN
Heinze

Good but not great

Gaz
Ronaldo
Saha
Giggs
Scholes
Fletcher

Average talent

Howard
Brown
Park
Smith
Bardsley

Low End - eternal squaddies

Fortune
Richardson

Not MUQ

O'Shea
Silvestre

Agree mostly with what you put.

[Father Ted]

World Class Players
VdS
Rooney
RVN
Ronaldo
Heinze
Gaz

Good but not great
Rio
Saha
Park

Past it (new category)
Giggs
Scholes

Average talent
Smith
Bardsley
Fletcher

Low End - eternal squaddies
Howard
Fortune
Richardson
Brown
O'Shea

Not MUQ
Silvestre

[listen_up_fergie]

World Class Players
Van der Sar
Rooney
Van Nistelrooy
Heinze
Neville
Giggs (past it)
Scholes (past it)



Good but not great
Ronaldo (not quite up there yet)
Saha
Park
Fletcher
Brown


Average talent
Bardsley
Howard

Low End - eternal squaddies
Fortune
Richardson
O'Shea

Not MUQ
Silvestre

[Dark Savante]

Generally, world class usually means these players would vie for a place in any starting line up in the world. G.N, Giggs, Scholes, Ronaldo could do this?

[listen_up_fergie]

Generally, world class usually means these players would vie for a place in any starting line up in the world. G.N, Giggs, Scholes, Ronaldo could do this?

Giggs and Scholes would've in the past.
Ronaldo...defintely not yet...still a lot of work needed.
Neville...definitely would be on my Premiership best XI, but on a world starting line-up, probably not. But then again, perhaps either Rooney or Ruud wouldn't be starters either hence not world class by that definition.

[Sapphire]

World Class Players

VdS
Rooney
RVN
Heinze
Rio

Good but not great

Gaz
Ronaldo
Giggs
Scholes
Fletcher
Park

Saha -- I still don't feel I've seen enough of him to truly rate; I suspect he falls here.

Average talent

Howard
Brown
Smith

Low End - eternal squaddies

Fortune
Richardson
Bardsley

Not MUQ

O'Shea
Silvestre

[Dark Savante]

Giggs and Scholes would've in the past.
Ronaldo...defintely not yet...still a lot of work needed.
Neville...definitely would be on my Premiership best XI, but on a world starting line-up, probably not. But then again, perhaps either Rooney or Ruud wouldn't be starters either hence not world class by that definition.
I did say mark on the here and now in bold :)

And I'm not talking about either a premier or world class xi, I'm talking about the top class sides around the world.

[Kavster]

But then again, perhaps either Rooney or Ruud wouldn't be starters either hence not world class by that definition.
Then don't put them in the World Class category :rolleyes:

[listen_up_fergie]

I did say mark on the here and now in bold :)

And I'm not talking about either a premier or world class xi, I'm talking about the top class sides around the world.

In that case I stand by my selection...I've put "past it" in parentheses for both Giggs and Scholes as they should be in the category below. Just felt a bit...erm...disrespectful (not sure its the word i'm looking for) not to acknowledge what they once were.
Neville is probably a good talking point, because I think he is on par with the likes of Sagnol and Belletti. He's not blatantly world class, but I wouldn't just call him "good" either. Perhaps somewhere in between.

[listen_up_fergie]

Then don't put them in the World Class category :rolleyes:

I wasn't going by what I interpreted DS's definition of World Class to be when I did those categories.

[Howard Zinn]

Here's my list:

World Class Players

Rio
RVN
Heinze (before injury, don't know what he'll be when he comes back)

Good but not great

Rooney
VDS
G.N
Saha
Park

Average talent

Ronaldo
Giggs
Scholes
Brown
Smith

Low End - eternal squaddies

Richardson
Bardsley
Howard

Not MUQ

Fletcher
O'Shea
Silvestre
Fortune

[MtP07]

World Ckass Players

Rio
Wazza
Ruud
Heinze

Good but not great

Scholes
Ronaldo
Gaz
VdS
Saha
Giggs

Average talent

Brown
Park
Howard
Fletcher
Smith
Bardsley

Low End - eternal squaddies

Fortune
Richardson

Not MUQ

O'Shea
Silvestre

[Invincible]

World Class Players

Rio
Rooney
Ruud
Heinze
Van Der Sar

Good but not great

Scholes
Ronaldo
Saha
Giggs
Brown
Park

Average talent

Howard
Fletcher
Smith
Bardsley

Low End - eternal squaddies

Fortune


Not MUQ aka gtfo of our club
Richardson
O'Shea
Silvestre

[Numquam Moribimur]

World Class Players
Rooney
Rio
Gabby
Scholes
RVN



Good but not great
Giggs
Ronaldo
Saha
Park
Brown
Fletcher
Smith
VDS
Gazz

Average talent
Fortune
Bardsley


Low End - eternal squaddies
Oshea
Howard

Not MUQ
Silvestre
Richardson


did i miss anyone :confused:

[johno]

did i miss anyone :confused:

van nistelrooij...



btw... piss on anybody leaving Ruud and Rio out of our list of WC players... really piss on you... we've got undeniable evidence of what our team looks like without them.

I

[Numquam Moribimur]

van nistelrooij...




I



Dont know how i missed him:o

[billyireland]

World Class Players
Rooney
Ruudo
Heinze
Rio

Good but not great
Van der Sar (kind of between this and worldclass)
Neville
Scholes
Ronaldo
Fletcher
Brown

Average talent
Park (let's hope it's just him adjusting)
Richardson (better than most here rate him, should get a run in CM with Scholes out)
Bardsley (not that he isn't a good player, he just needs a bitm ore experience)
Saha (should be in the 'good' catagory, but is injured far too often)
Smith (lower end of average talent, but his workrate makes him well worth having around)

Low End - eternal squaddies
Howard (I doubt he will ever make it here, unfortunately)

Not MUQ
Fortune (not)
O'Shea (good)
Silvestre (enough)

[johno]

God billy... i thought you were Irish, not Scottish... Fletcher good but Saha, Smith and Park so low??? sheesh. That's rough.

[StrikerCW]

World Class Players
Rooney
Ruudo
Heinze
Rio

Good but not great
Van der Sar
Neville
Ronaldo
Brown
Park
Saha
Smith
Howard

Average talent
Scholes
Fletcher
Richardson
Bardsley

Low End - eternal squaddies
Fortune

Not MUQ
O'Shea
Silvestre

disagree away