Christian book-publisher screws little boys

[Matrim55]

http://tennessean.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060111/COUNTY09/601110410/1006/NEWS

The suspect is involved in the Christian book-publishing industry, according to police and numerous Web sites.

Marita Littauer, president of CLASServices, a New Mexico-based company which coordinates Christian writers conferences, said she knew the defendant on a "professional level."

"I seriously question the charges," Littauer said. "I cannot believe they are accurate."
Seems like a lot of prominent Christians are sending mixed messages re: homosexuality and pederasty. Let me, as a non-Christian, ask a serious question: Are Christians actually secretly pro-homosexuality and pederasty? Is it, like, an initiation thing? I've read the Bible cover to cover and Leviticus, in particular, seems to frown upon man-on-man or man-on-boy congress, but apparently it's all over the place in the real world.

Legitimate question. Because there seems to be a lot of "Gay sex with little boys - don't do that! *wink wink, nudge nudge*" coming out of all sorts of Christian circles these days. I'm not saying it's not there in other cultures - a friend of mine served in Iraq, and apparently boy********ing is a bit of a pasttime over there - so I'm wondering if there is, perhaps, something analogous once indoctrinated into the mysteries of the Christian church.

Honestly. Just a lot of "Do as I say, not as I do." Makes a guy wonder.

[DJPoopypants]

Man what amazing trolling...

Anyway, there's no secret initiation thing.

Yeah, don't bugger little boys is all through the christian doctrine, but couldn't ya just guess what Adam and Eve were gonna do when God says 'don't eat any of these apples'? That's right, 1st thing adam does when caught is try to blame eve....

As for Iraq - I'm guessing its religious, but more secular than say, Iran or Saudi Arabia where boybuggerers get their heads chopped off.

Kinda like how England is christian, but more secular than the USA. Now think of what happens at all those english boarding schools...

[vivzig]

You are obviously trolling with this thread, since I know you are more intelligent that that.

[chad]

It's not trolling.

What is the Christian perspective on the origin of the pederasty uncovered in the Catholic Church, for example? To the casual observer, it seems that something institutional is at work. Of course, institutional traditions need not be consistent with the religious ones. Know what I mean?

Also, what is the point of a religion forum if we cannot ask these questions without being called trolls? If the point is for mere backslapping, why not call the forum "Church"?

[chad]

oops, I meant call it "Church and Morals".

[Chicago1871]

oops, I meant call it "Church and Morals".
"...or lack thereof"

[vivzig]

This:
What is the Christian perspective on the origin of the pederasty uncovered in the Catholic Church, for example?
Has very little to do with this:
Are Christians actually secretly pro-homosexuality and pederasty? Is it, like, an initiation thing?

[christopher d]

http://tennessean.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060111/COUNTY09/601110410/1006/NEWS


Seems like a lot of prominent Christians are sending mixed messages re: homosexuality and pederasty. Let me, as a non-Christian, ask a serious question: Are Christians actually secretly pro-homosexuality and pederasty? Is it, like, an initiation thing? I've read the Bible cover to cover and Leviticus, in particular, seems to frown upon man-on-man or man-on-boy congress, but apparently it's all over the place in the real world.

Legitimate question. Because there seems to be a lot of "Gay sex with little boys - don't do that! *wink wink, nudge nudge*" coming out of all sorts of Christian circles these days. I'm not saying it's not there in other cultures - a friend of mine served in Iraq, and apparently boy********ing is a bit of a pasttime over there - so I'm wondering if there is, perhaps, something analogous once indoctrinated into the mysteries of the Christian church.

Honestly. Just a lot of "Do as I say, not as I do." Makes a guy wonder.Makes you wonder... but is it enough to get you to convert?

(now that's trolling).

I'll tell you that I lived quite safely as a little boy within the confines of a Christian Seminary (GTS in Chelsea, since you're familiar with the area), and while there were plenty of homosexuals around, there wasn't a snif of pederasty. And if there were anywhere to reinforce the "mysteries" of the Christian Church, it would be Seminary, right? But hey, maybe they had poor kids bussed in from the Bronx for the "unholy rites".

:rolleyes:

[vivzig]

I'll tell you that I lived quite safely as a little boy within the confines of a Christian Seminary (GTS in Chelsea, since you're familiar with the area), and while there were plenty of homosexuals around, there wasn't a snif of pederasty. And if there were anywhere to reinforce the "mysteries" of the Christian Church, it would be Seminary, right? But hey, maybe they had poor kids bussed in from the Bronx for the "unholy rites".
Thus, even in negation, reinforcing the link between pederasts and homosexuals.

[christopher d]

Thus, even in negation, reinforcing the link between pederasts and homosexuals.

Yeah, good catch :(

But, in my own defense, I had to answer this:Are Christians actually secretly pro-homosexuality and pederasty? Is it, like, an initiation thing? I've read the Bible cover to cover and Leviticus, in particular, seems to frown upon man-on-man or man-on-boy congress, but apparently it's all over the place in the real world. as well

[Matrim55]

Thus, even in negation, reinforcing the link between pederasts and homosexuals.
The only reason I connected the two is because they seem, to me at least, two of the most vociferously denounced sins (beyond even theft and murder) in the Christian world, but then again two of the most indulged in - to the point that it seems almost ritualized.

The two acts are in no way equal in my eyes; though in the eyes of the various Christian churches, they appear to be (more or less) one in the same in terms of condemnation and practice.

[DJPoopypants]

So much for Iron Fist moderating.

maybe the mods are mixing in a little "turn the other cheek" along with their smiting?

Is this going to become like the forum to post anything when a marginally famous/known religious figure does something stupid?

I mean, in fairness, like Tony Dungee's kid offing himself was to P&CE, are we going to have to scour the Google News for all the reports of people molesting kids?

it would be a pretty lousy forum as such. I'd favor theological issues here, hypocritical jerks in the main P&CE.

[Matrim55]

Then why is this thread here?
Don't get metaphysical with me.

[christopher d]

Or maybe they never had any intention of keeping it within the bounds they set?
I honestly don't know how much time Coach or Matt spend in this forum. Honestly, upon seeing it, I was torn between binning it or letting it play out. I did the latter, obviously. My rationale: I wanted to see if the thread would work its way into some meaningful discussion.

No, this should not be a place for all "Clergyperson and/or Religious figure gets caught with his/her pants down" news. That gets old. Quickly. The other thread on the subject: "Clergyperson with a long history of railing against homosexuality gets caught soliciting gay sex from a prostitute" is much more apropos; not insofar as it is a clergyperson, but in that there is a measure of hypocracy in most of society, and fundamentalist Christian churches are by no means exempt.

As for the "Iron Fist" moderating... well, that was a decision the SuperMods made. I've asked to have the tagline removed, only to be turned down in 3 min. flat by Huss. IMHO, iron fists don't do much more than piss people off. A gentle nudge toward decency or a quick trip to the recycle bin (followed by an e-mail) goes much further.

And to the guidelines: this thread is much farther from the edge of the cliff than, say, the "Heaven" and "Hell" threads -- at least the way those threads started. Both of them have turned into relatively reasonable debate, and so I hoped this one might, too. We'll see...

[Chicago1871]

...are we going to have to scour the Google News for all the reports of people molesting kids?
Looking to fill some time? ;)

[GringoTex]

Christians invite threads like these by claiming Christianity defines them within a terrestrial setting. Accepting Jesus as your Lord and Savior is a spiritual choice, not a costume.

[Matrim55]

Christians invite threads like these by claiming Christianity defines them within a terrestrial setting. Accepting Jesus as your Lord and Savior is a spiritual choice, not a costume.
You'll have to forgive Mike, Gringo. He lost his sense of humor when his favorite college football team stopped being relevant.

[Matrim55]

Is UCONN going for a BCS at large bid next season?
All our booster money goes to the basketball team, I'm sorry to say.

[GringoTex]

All our booster money goes to the basketball team, I'm sorry to say.

Anybody can buy five players for a basketball team. Only gawd can grant a national championship in football.

[christopher d]

Is that like letting a drunk driver roll for a while to see if he sobers up? Exactly like that, except for the "folks might get killed in the process" part :rolleyes:



Good, so you sent Matt a PM asking him not to start this type of troll thread.No, I tried to steer the thread in a better direction. Hopefully we'll get to a point in which those looking to antagonize will see that their efforts get little to no traction on this board, and will think better of their actions.



I don't think I said anyhting about that thread, skipper.No, but for clarity's sake (which seems to have failed), I wanted to illustrate a positive example to go with this negative one.

There's a beautiful full moon rising over Newark Bay at present. You should be able to see her in a couple of hours. Why don't you try stepping outside, take a look and a couple of deep breaths, and enjoy the Nature around you rather than trying to pick a squabble with a newbie mod, mmkay? :)