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USAsoccer
09 Jan 2006, 02:06 PM
Scary article, but the logic is undeniable...

If anyone has any doubt about the kind of nuclear work Iran has been doing for the past 18 years, it must be a case of naivete compounded by gullibility.

Nor should there be any uncertainty about what Iran's mullahocracy would do with a nuclear weapon. All of Iran's leaders since the Ayatollah Rohollah Khomeini replaced the shah in February 1979 have made it clear the objective is Israel's destruction.

In Iran's last presidential race, Western governments and media favored Ali Akbar Hashemi Rafsanjani. He was a "known" quantity and a "moderate." Michael Rubin, editor of the Middle East Quarterly and a resident scholar at the American Enterprise Institute, burst that soap bubble.

Four years ago, when he took the podium at Tehran University to deliver the Friday sermon, Mr. Rafsanjani predicted the Islamic world one day would be equipped with nuclear weapons only Israel possesses in the Middle East. At that point, he explained, "the strategy of the imperialists will reach a standstill because the use of even one nuclear bomb inside Israel will destroy everything." And, added the "moderate" former president of Iran, "It is not irrational to contemplate such an eventuality."

Another prominent "moderate," courted by Europe's democracies, was former Iranian President Mohammed Khatami. "In the Koran," he declared in a homily Oct. 24, 2000, "God commanded to kill the wicked and those who do not see the rights of the oppressed."

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Having a nuclear weapon is fundamental to Islamist belief. No odes to world peace if they do this, or dirges to world catastrophe if they do that, will deflect the mullahs' core belief as dictated by Iran's Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei.

Fundamental to Israeli defense doctrine is that no weapon of mass destruction can be tolerated in any Middle Eastern arsenal. Singapore's Lee Kuan Yew, the geopolitical sage of the Orient, said in a UPI interview three months before September 11, 2001, the biggest threat on horizon 2010 is "an Islamist bomb and mark my words, it will travel."
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Tehran started the new year by announcing it doesn't like a Russian compromise proposal and soon will resume nuclear fuel research. Iranian agents have also scoured Europe for missile parts, says a 55-page intelligence assessment dated July 1, 2005. Leaked to the Guardian in Britain, it draws upon material gathered by British, French, German and Belgian agencies.

Iran, says this report, has developed an extensive web of front companies, official bodies, academic institutes and middlemen dedicated to obtaining in Western Europe and former Soviet republics, the expertise, training and equipment for nuclear programs, missile development, and biological and chemical weapons arsenals.

The document, says the Guardian, lists scores of Iranian companies and institutions involved in the arms race. It also details Tehran's determination to perfect a ballistic missile that can deliver warheads far beyond its borders. Iran is trying to extend the range of its Shahab-3 missile, now almost 1,000 miles and capable of reaching Israel.

Taking their cue from President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, who declared Israel "should be wiped off the map" and the World War II Holocaust was a figment of Zionist propaganda, Iranian commentators push the envelope to nauseous absurdity.

Tehran TV political analyst Hosein Rouyvaran said Nazi concentration camps were "detention centers" where no more than 250,000 Jews died and where "for hygienic reasons, they used to burn the bodies of those who died of typhus or contagious diseases [in crematoria]."

Gas chambers, this moron explained, were "for disinfecting the clothes and the possessions of the prisoners."

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Comments....

We are dealing with people here who are deluded in their belief that the holocaust was a myth...a group that believes that their role on earth is to make way for the return of the 12th Iman...

Iran cannot be allowed to have a nuclear weapon, under any circumstances...and we should be willing to go to war with Iran to ensure that they don't!

Foosinho
09 Jan 2006, 02:20 PM
Iran cannot be allowed to have a nuclear weapon, under any circumstances...and we should be willing to go to war with Iran to ensure that they don't!
Wolf?

Not saying a case isn't justified, but it'll be a lot harder to sell to the American public after the entire Iraq debacle. You guys need to learn how to be selective.

MikeLastort2
09 Jan 2006, 02:23 PM
Wolf?

Not saying a case isn't justified, but it'll be a lot harder to sell to the American public after the entire Iraq debacle. You guys need to learn how to be selective.
Bush's poll numbers are low. That's all the justification he needs.

USAsoccer
10 Jan 2006, 09:17 AM
Wolf?

Not saying a case isn't justified, but it'll be a lot harder to sell to the American public after the entire Iraq debacle. You guys need to learn how to be selective.

Hell just frooze over....:D

We agree!

Sine Pari
10 Jan 2006, 09:46 AM
I dont think it will be needed

Someone is taking care of things from the inside for us

USAsoccer
10 Jan 2006, 10:04 AM
I dont think it will be needed

Someone is taking care of things from the inside for us

What? James Bond is taking on Iran?!?!?! :confused: :eek:

Sine Pari
10 Jan 2006, 10:07 AM
What? James Bond is taking on Iran?!?!?! :confused: :eek:


:)

Read the news

A lot of plane crashes there lately............a few top generals go down

The head of the head wackos security detail is killed.....

Things that make you go hmmmmmmmmmm

yasik19
10 Jan 2006, 10:13 AM
not now, but the way things are going, i think the conflict is inevitable.

Rostam
10 Jan 2006, 11:42 AM
this must be new:

attack a country cuz they supposedly don't buy into the "holocaust" frenzy.

That's the real danger in "evil" people.
It used to be that deception and lies was their weapon, now they are taking it one step farther.

Scarecrow
10 Jan 2006, 12:20 PM
this must be new:

attack a country cuz they supposedly don't buy into the "holocaust" frenzy.

That's the real danger in "evil" people.
It used to be that deception and lies was their weapon, now they are taking it one step farther.

Well I am still waiting for you to prove that the US and Israeli are kidnapping Iranians. :D

The fact that they deny the truth of the holocaust is just another example of the racism that the Govt. of Iran prides itself on. That and their continued support of Hezbollah and their terror tactics, plus making statements that Israel should be wiped off the map. None of this is made up, also we have Iran blowing off the Russians proposed compromise, their resumption of work that can directly lead to the development of nuclear weapons are issues that show Iran cannot be trusted.

One big dif between this situation and Iraq is that Iran is on record as saying that they are doing this work with the full knowledge that despite what they say, they know as well as we do that they can make nukes with what they have in process.

Iranian Monitor
10 Jan 2006, 02:44 PM
Japan can make a lot of nukes with the nuclear program it has.

Does that mean Japan is building nukes? That Japan's program violates the NPT? That Japan should be bombed to prevent it from having the "know how" to build nukes?

Iran supports Hezbollah, does not recognize Israel as a legitimate entity, and opposes US hegemonic policies. That pretty much is all that is truthful in all the (often rather bizzare) propaganda against Iran.

Even armed with nuclear weapons, Iran would never initiate a nuclear war. It is absurd and foolish to believe otherwise. Even armed with nuclear weapons, Iran would not trust those weapons to anyone outside its own control in Iran. It is patently disingineous to believe otherwise, since Iran has not even trusted its closest subnational ally (Hezbollah) with its most potent conventional weapons nor has been involved in helping them develop any of the simpler WMDs which are far harder to trace to a country than nuclear weapons.

The entire issue with regard to Iran's nuclear program is rather simple. Iran having nuclear capability will make it largely immune from threats of force by the US/Israel. That will enhance its capability in confronting US/Israeli hegemonic policies in the region. Given that Iran has a strategic location overlooking much of the West's energy supplies, given that Iran is a large country with 70 milion people enjoying influence in various countries in the Middle East, Central Asia, the Caucasus, and even the Indian subcontinent, given that Iran is an advanced enough country to aspire becoming a major world power -- given these realities, Iran's nuclear program and anything else that might enhance its power and influence in the region will be vehemently opposed by the US and Israel.

yasik19
10 Jan 2006, 03:12 PM
Stop Threatening Israel!

Smiley321
10 Jan 2006, 03:20 PM
The entire issue with regard to Iran's nuclear program is rather simple. Iran having nuclear capability will make it largely immune from threats of force by the US/Israel. That will enhance its capability in confronting US/Israeli hegemonic policies in the region. Given that Iran has a strategic location overlooking much of the West's energy supplies, given that Iran is a large country with 70 milion people enjoying influence in various countries in the Middle East, Central Asia, the Caucasus, and even the Indian subcontinent, given that Iran is an advanced enough country to aspire becoming a major world power -- given these realities, Iran's nuclear program and anything else that might enhance its power and influence in the region will be vehemently opposed by the US and Israel.

I think that it's about time to send the greeks back in to slap them down for another 2000 years

sardus_pater
10 Jan 2006, 03:46 PM
Japan can make a lot of nukes with the nuclear program it has.

Does that mean Japan is building nukes? That Japan's program violates the NPT? That Japan should be bombed to prevent it from having the "know how" to build nukes?

Iran supports Hezbollah, does not recognize Israel as a legitimate entity, and opposes US hegemonic policies. That pretty much is all that is truthful in all the (often rather bizzare) propaganda against Iran.

Even armed with nuclear weapons, Iran would never initiate a nuclear war. It is absurd and foolish to believe otherwise. Even armed with nuclear weapons, Iran would not trust those weapons to anyone outside its own control in Iran. It is patently disingineous to believe otherwise, since Iran has not even trusted its closest subnational ally (Hezbollah) with its most potent conventional weapons nor has been involved in helping them develop any of the simpler WMDs which are far harder to trace to a country than nuclear weapons.

The entire issue with regard to Iran's nuclear program is rather simple. Iran having nuclear capability will make it largely immune from threats of force by the US/Israel. That will enhance its capability in confronting US/Israeli hegemonic policies in the region. Given that Iran has a strategic location overlooking much of the West's energy supplies, given that Iran is a large country with 70 milion people enjoying influence in various countries in the Middle East, Central Asia, the Caucasus, and even the Indian subcontinent, given that Iran is an advanced enough country to aspire becoming a major world power -- given these realities, Iran's nuclear program and anything else that might enhance its power and influence in the region will be vehemently opposed by the US and Israel.

Very well said.

odessit19
10 Jan 2006, 04:08 PM
Very well said.

Shocking news, you agree with IM?:eek:

monop_poly
10 Jan 2006, 04:17 PM
I agree with IM ... but I don't think Iran understands the implications of opening Pandora's box.

Anti-nuke proliferation should have been the key foreign policy goal of the USA since end of the Cold War. Ditto for the EU. And yet no one in power puts in front and center. The world will eventually pay dearly for the West's apathy and lack of leadership.

Scarecrow
10 Jan 2006, 05:07 PM
Japan can make a lot of nukes with the nuclear program it has.

Does that mean Japan is building nukes? That Japan's program violates the NPT? That Japan should be bombed to prevent it from having the "know how" to build nukes?
Once again quite wrong and very ignorant of certain facts. Japan as an occupied country after WWII has a stated constitution where their Armed Forces are quite limited and it is written into their law that Nuclear Weapons will never be allowed. You also seem to overlook that Japan having been the only victims of said weapons understand better then anyone else on this planet the danger of said weapons and would never have them on their soil.


Iran supports Hezbollah, does not recognize Israel as a legitimate entity, and opposes US hegemonic policies. That pretty much is all that is truthful in all the (often rather bizzare) propaganda against Iran.
That Iran supports terrorists who believe as they do that a soverign nation does not have the right to exist is not only against the US, but also against pretty much the rest of the world save for the crazies in the ME.
That the leader, well the puppet of the leaders in Iran has stated that the holocaust is a myth, and that Israel should be wiped off the planet make it very clear what the overall goal is for Iran and the other whack jobs in the region.

Even armed with nuclear weapons, Iran would never initiate a nuclear war. It is absurd and foolish to believe otherwise. Even armed with nuclear weapons, Iran would not trust those weapons to anyone outside its own control in Iran. It is patently disingineous to believe otherwise, since Iran has not even trusted its closest subnational ally (Hezbollah) with its most potent conventional weapons nor has been involved in helping them develop any of the simpler WMDs which are far harder to trace to a country than nuclear weapons.
See my above statements, Iran can not be trusted with the current regime in place to adhere to any International laws concerning nuclear weapons, not when they are on record and very publicly at that, with the threat to wipe Israel off the face of the Earth.
While the concept of MAD is lost on Iran it seems, it should also be noted that while the US and USSR each used that concept it didn't stop either side from trying to create better offensive nuclear weapons systems that perhaps could eliminate the ability of the other side to strike back.
The entire issue with regard to Iran's nuclear program is rather simple. Iran having nuclear capability will make it largely immune from threats of force by the US/Israel. That will enhance its capability in confronting US/Israeli hegemonic policies in the region. Given that Iran has a strategic location overlooking much of the West's energy supplies, given that Iran is a large country with 70 milion people enjoying influence in various countries in the Middle East, Central Asia, the Caucasus, and even the Indian subcontinent, given that Iran is an advanced enough country to aspire becoming a major world power -- given these realities, Iran's nuclear program and anything else that might enhance its power and influence in the region will be vehemently opposed by the US and Israel.

Again you far overestimate Iran and her place in the world. Iran is a regional power, one with limited influence that is walking a path that will have it resembling North Korea in the very near future. Iran will not be a major world power, get over that already. Iran's nuclear capability will only insure a fate similar to North Korea or Libya until they come around and realize that they screwed up.

Rostam
10 Jan 2006, 05:50 PM
Well I am still waiting for you to prove that the US and Israeli are kidnapping Iranians. :D

The fact that they deny the truth of the holocaust is just another example of the racism
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as hard as you try to attract my attention, I really don't find your discussion worthy of a response.

Rostam
10 Jan 2006, 05:56 PM
Japan can make a lot of nukes with the nuclear program it has.

Does that mean Japan is building nukes? That Japan's program violates the NPT? That Japan should be bombed to prevent it from having the "know how" to build nukes?

Iran supports Hezbollah, does not recognize Israel as a legitimate entity, and opposes US hegemonic policies. That pretty much is all that is truthful in all the (often rather bizzare) propaganda against Iran.

Even armed with nuclear weapons, Iran would never initiate a nuclear war. It is absurd and foolish to believe otherwise. Even armed with nuclear weapons, Iran would not trust those weapons to anyone outside its own control in Iran. It is patently disingineous to believe otherwise, since Iran has not even trusted its closest subnational ally (Hezbollah) with its most potent conventional weapons nor has been involved in helping them develop any of the simpler WMDs which are far harder to trace to a country than nuclear weapons.

The entire issue with regard to Iran's nuclear program is rather simple. Iran having nuclear capability will make it largely immune from threats of force by the US/Israel. That will enhance its capability in confronting US/Israeli hegemonic policies in the region. Given that Iran has a strategic location overlooking much of the West's energy supplies, given that Iran is a large country with 70 milion people enjoying influence in various countries in the Middle East, Central Asia, the Caucasus, and even the Indian subcontinent, given that Iran is an advanced enough country to aspire becoming a major world power -- given these realities, Iran's nuclear program and anything else that might enhance its power and influence in the region will be vehemently opposed by the US and Israel.


brief and yet exact to the point.

Rostam
10 Jan 2006, 06:00 PM
I think that it's about time to send the greeks back in to slap them down for another 2000 years

not as bad of a slapping as Germans do ;)