Ronaldinho wins it again!

[SirManchester]

Yes they are, all the awards. Also all grapes are sour!


that's bad logic. Just because a player is more popular than another one doesn't make him the better one nor the more deserving. Beckham is popular, does he deserve it? no

[benni...]

wtf are you saying about gerrard he is ********ing good, and liverpool were unbeatable last year. you tell me which brazilians players are going to be happy playing in there league where they make no money, heck if brazil actually paid there players good money they would stay. but they cant because the country is poor, and not to mention all the kidnaps of brazilian soccer moms.


Please dont generalize like that. ;)

Thats the difference between Brazil and most other top nations. Brazils players are having fun while playing, exerting minimal energy while making the rest of the world look foolish. Im sure there will be more than enough Brazilian players who would play in their league. Its not like Ronaldinho, Ronaldo, Adriano, Robinho, Kaka, Baptista, Carlos, Roque Junior all dont have very rich endorsments. (Nike and Adidas) not to mention all the other products they help advertise. Money wouldnt be a problem for some.

Brazilians deserve to be cocky and arrogant. Atleast the players. There players are miles better (exaggeration) than the rest of the world, they actually smile when playing, they have been ranked number one for 4 years in a row. Name another team to do so.

[Kaushik]

that's bad logic. Just because a player is more popular than another one doesn't make him the better one nor the more deserving. Beckham is popular, does he deserve it? noThat just proves that the outcome of the awards are not based on popularity. The awards actually go to the best player. If they were based on the popularity of a player, Beckham would have won some. He is an ordinary footballer and therefore has won nothing in terms of personal awards.

[benni...]

that's bad logic. Just because a player is more popular than another one doesn't make him the better one nor the more deserving. Beckham is popular, does he deserve it? no


Are you saying that Ronaldinho didnt deserve it? Just asking.

Compare the players that Lampard has around him, and the players that Lampard has around him. The entire squad. Also take a look at it like this...When you have the entire world going oohh, and ahhh, and then your end productivity is pretty good. Your bound to pick him.

Lampard was extremely efficient, and consistant. But you and i both know the world player of the year award is awarded to the player who "wows the crowd" the most. If you took a world wide survey most would rather watch Ronaldinho over lampard. There is so much i could say about Ronaldinho and Lampard, but just like you said. It is a popularity contest to some extent...Just that these three finalist were pretty good choices, and If Lampard won it, he deserved it as well.

Its just seems liek your into the industrious type player, and you do not like players like that. Thats just what i percieve from your post.

[benni...]

That just proves that the outcome of the awards are not based on popularity. The awards actually go to the best player. If they were based on the popularity of a player, Beckham would have won some. He is an ordinary footballer and therefore has won nothing in terms of personal awards.


Hmm, you have just convinced me. Good post.

[Kaushik]

Oh yeah, Lampard's countrymen also have no sense of judgment and are moved by a player's popularity.


Ronaldinho voted World Soccer Player of the Year
Barcelona's outstanding Brazilian star Ronaldinho is the undisputed World Player of the Year for 2005 after topping our annual poll.

Ronaldinho also recorded the fifth biggest share of the vote – almost 39 per cent – in the 24-year history of the award. He received almost three times as many votes as his closest rival, Liverpool captain Steven Gerrard. Chelsea's Frank Lampard finished third.

http://www.worldsoccer.com/news/Ronaldinho_voted_World_Soccer_Player_of_the_Year_news_72439.html

What dumbasses! :rolleyes:

[SirManchester]

That just proves that the outcome of the awards are not based on popularity. The awards actually go to the best player. If they were based on the popularity of a player, Beckham would have won some. He is an ordinary footballer and therefore has won nothing in terms of personal awards.


no sh!t, of course the award is going to be based on form as well, Becks didn't have the type of year to be nominated for such an award. But let's be honest here, Ronaldinho's playing style will obvioulsy attract more fans and more attention right, so it would only make sense that Fifa award him please the fans.
In all honesty, do you think Ronaldinho had a better last season than Lampard? Who's been more consistent?

[SirManchester]

Are you saying that Ronaldinho didnt deserve it? Just asking.

Compare the players that Lampard has around him, and the players that Lampard has around him. The entire squad. Also take a look at it like this...When you have the entire world going oohh, and ahhh, and then your end productivity is pretty good. Your bound to pick him.

Lampard was extremely efficient, and consistant. But you and i both know the world player of the year award is awarded to the player who "wows the crowd" the most. If you took a world wide survey most would rather watch Ronaldinho over lampard. There is so much i could say about Ronaldinho and Lampard, but just like you said. It is a popularity contest to some extent...Just that these three finalist were pretty good choices, and If Lampard won it, he deserved it as well.

Its just seems liek your into the industrious type player, and you do not like players like that. Thats just what i percieve from your post.

Ronaldinho deserved this kind of award, sure, but not this time, especially not over Lampard. Last season alone there were several players that had a better season than him and he still got the award. Even Barcelona fans will tell you he didn't have exactly the best of his seasons then. Lampard on the other hand has been consistent for three seasons straight, even before Abramovich, it's eerie how consistent he's been regardless of the players around him because I could say the same for dinho.

I appreciate skill and industry all the same, it's just beyond me how ignorant fans are, how they're blatantly willing to pick skill immediately over industry and strength among other things, like its supposed to be the better characteristic because its not. Brazilians for example could only wish to be physical players, in fact scouts over there even tend to favor strength over skill because its so rare. And thanks for proving my point, it is a popularity contest, like Ronaldinho "wows" the crowd, Lampard does the same for me everytime I watch him.

[Kaushik]

no sh!t, of course the award is going to be based on form as well, Becks didn't have the type of year to be nominated for such an award. But let's be honest here, Ronaldinho's playing style will obvioulsy attract more fans and more attention right, so it would only make sense that Fifa award him please the fans.
In all honesty, do you think Ronaldinho had a better last season than Lampard? Who's been more consistent?FIFA is not the only organization to award Ronaldinho. Who did the fans reading World Soccer award him for? And the European journalists? :rolleyes:

Get over it! Based on general world-wide football preference, the Gerrards and Lampards will never ever come remotely close to the Ronaldinhos, the Zidanes or the Maradonas. And popular opinion is what matters. No matter how 'ignorant' fans, players, coaches, FIFA delegates, and media personnel seem to you, they form the far greater majority. Thus, only the very few knowledgeable characters such as you are "wowed" by the Lampards.

[snigacookie]

i guess there can be lots of critisicm from both sides of the avenue. the real question is what has lampard done for country? ronaldinho has excelled in performance for both country and club. lampard has not been able to exert influence on his fellow midfielders. hes surrounded by fantastic players.

try swapping players from both clubs. do u think barcelona would be as successful if they had lampard? ronaldinho would add be a shoe-in at chelsea.

for now we can all do nothing but wait until they will have to face each other in the next champions league draw.

[SirManchester]

FIFA is not the only organization to award Ronaldinho. Who did the fans reading World Soccer award him for? And the European journalists? :rolleyes:

Get over it! Based on general world-wide football preference, the Gerrards and Lampards will never ever come remotely close to the Ronaldinhos, the Zidanes or the Maradonas. And popular opinion is what matters.


you just keep proving me right, thanks but I hope you realize the hypocrisy you're contributting to..oh well..
point is, you're right, the Zidanes, Ronaldinhos will most likely always win, not because they're better but because the average fan is a close minded, easily entertained moron who doesn't appreciate anything else other than flashy tricks.
Just so you don't get on my case again, Ronaldinho doesn't neccessarily fall under this category, but because of his "flashyness" he received the award, even though Lampard was more deserving of it, and the excuse used to justify this will always be "because he does things no one else does, he's amazing, bla bla bla "

[Demon Dog]

Lampard best player in the world?

Oh yeah, now I get all the FIFA CWC discussion, that long thread, discussing things over and over again.

English people simply live in a world apart from the others. The only thing that matters are their own championship, their own players. The rest of the world is crap.

By the way, how many World Cups have you won? And EUROs?

You know, with your amazing players, we´d really expect some better international display...

[Kaushik]

you just keep proving me right, thanks but I hope you realize the hypocrisy you're contributting to..oh well..
point is, you're right, the Zidanes, Ronaldinhos will most likely always win, not because they're better but because the average fan is a close minded, easily entertained moron who doesn't appreciate anything else other than flashy tricks.
Just so you don't get on my case again, Ronaldinho doesn't neccessarily fall under this category, but because of his "flashyness" he received the award, even though Lampard was more deserving of it, and the excuse used to justify this will always be "because he does things no one else does, he's amazing, bla bla bla "And you just keep dismissing the national team coaches and players, journalists, magazine subscribers and editors, and the FIFA family as average fans who are close-minded and easily entertained morons! You may think you are not the moron here, but 100% would choose you as the moron over the vast majority of the footballing world.

[Kaushik]

English people simply live in a world apart from the others. The only thing that matters are their own championship, their own players. The rest of the world is crap.The fact is that even the English overwhelmingly acknowledged Ronaldinho's superiority over their own players. But then they are morons, just like the rest of the world except for SirManchester!

[SirManchester]

And you just keep dismissing the national team coaches and players, journalists, magazine subscribers and editors, and the FIFA family as average fans who are close-minded and easily entertained morons! You may think you are not the moron here, but 100% would choose you as the moron over the vast majority of the footballing world.


:confused: I was addressing the fans only, since you brought them up, I didn't even dismiss one coach, journalist, etc.
And please don't dismiss my argument, you even re-assessed it, fans generally like to see flashy tricks, they want to be entertained, but they often don't keep in mind many other aspects of the game which deserve equal merit. FFS do you even consider what Lampard has done in the last three seasons? Do you think all of that was easy or not worth the award!?

[SirManchester]

Lampard best player in the world?

Oh yeah, now I get all the FIFA CWC discussion, that long thread, discussing things over and over again.

English people simply live in a world apart from the others. The only thing that matters are their own championship, their own players. The rest of the world is crap.

By the way, how many World Cups have you won? And EUROs?

You know, with your amazing players, we´d really expect some better international display...


You're exactly the close minded fan I was referring to, You obviously seem to find it incredible that an English player could win this award.
Let me remind you so you don't make fiture mistakes, I'm not English nor am I advocating for them alone, If Lampard was any other nationality I would argue the same. You seem to have missed every point of mine, and unless you're going to discuss this maturely and on a more intelleigent level, stay out of it.

[benni...]

you just keep proving me right, thanks but I hope you realize the hypocrisy you're contributting to..oh well..
point is, you're right, the Zidanes, Ronaldinhos will most likely always win, not because they're better but because the average fan is a close minded, easily entertained moron who doesn't appreciate anything else other than flashy tricks.
Just so you don't get on my case again, Ronaldinho doesn't neccessarily fall under this category, but because of his "flashyness" he received the award, even though Lampard was more deserving of it, and the excuse used to justify this will always be "because he does things no one else does, he's amazing, bla bla bla "


Thats because people want to be entertained. Be honest, if you wanted fans to appreciate strength, and Passion and industriousness, they could go watch another sport. Like the NFL. your calling the average football fan a moron because he likes what the game of football is about? The game of football would be boring with just a bunch of Gerrards and Scott parkers.What is the most important aspect of the game to you?

To me its ball control. I guess you can see where im going from here.

Also, i see you have been watching Ginga.

There is nothing entertaining about players running around like chickens with their heads cut off. Some want to see something special, not people like Scott Parker. Its pretty boring to me. What is entertaining about Industrious players? Tell me.

Now back to who is more deserving, depends on how which time frame they use. If they use the year 2005 instead of the last season, then Ronaldiho deserves it more. Since then he has carried Barca. Starting from January to now, he has been the best player in the world. But the last season, he wasnt poor, but wasnt his best.

[SirManchester]

Thats because people want to be entertained. Be honest, if you wanted fans to appreciate strength, and Passion and industriousness, they could go watch another sport. Like the NFL. your calling the average football fan a moron because he likes what the game of football is about? The game of football would be boring with just a bunch of Gerrards and Scott parkers.What is the most important aspect of the game to you?

To me its ball control. I guess you can see where im going from here.

Also, i see you have been watching Ginga.

There is nothing entertaining about players running around like chickens with their heads cut off. Some want to see something special, not people like Scott Parker. Its pretty boring to me. What is entertaining about Industrious players? Tell me.

Now back to who is more deserving, depends on how which time frame they use. If they use the year 2005 instead of the last season, then Ronaldiho deserves it more. Since then he has carried Barca. Starting from January to now, he has been the best player in the world. But the last season, he wasnt poor, but wasnt his best.


This is what I'm talking about, it's all about subjectivity, some people actually prefer industrious players!!!!!! Have you ever played the game!? if you have then you'd know that what the Parkers, Lampards, Gerrards, and Ballacks do is itself very difficult and takes not only phsyical strength but intellect, awareness, positioning, there's so much more to it that people like you don't realize. I don't mean to offend you here but I hope you see where I'm going with this.

[benni...]

:confused: I was addressing the fans only, since you brought them up, I didn't even dismiss one coach, journalist, etc.
And please don't dismiss my argument, you even re-assessed it, fans generally like to see flashy tricks, they want to be entertained, but they often don't keep in mind many other aspects of the game which deserve equal merit. FFS do you even consider what Lampard has done in the last three seasons? Do you think all of that was easy or not worth the award!?


Im sorry, being physical, industrious, hard working, and such is not equally merriting. My mind is open to that, but anyone could work hard if they actually tried. If anyone can do it, then it isnt special. Not many can even start to attempt what Ronaldinho does. Thats what makes Flashy tricks (they are more than just flashy tricks) special. Not everyone can do it.

[Auriaprottu]

First of all, let's not start this kind of argument again, it's tiring...Lampard was better than Ronaldinho and more successful last season, You can't bring the confed cup into this, its not Lampard's fault that England didn't get in. Either way, Ronaldinho won La Liga, while Lampard won the Premiership and picked up a domestic cup, Chelsea got to the CL semis, while Barca was eliminated right after the group stages. Lampard has been more consistent, he got better and better with every season. Ronaldinho's last season wasn't exactly as good for him as the previous one. I could go on and on but there's no point to this. I'll just hear the same "he's amazing, he does this and that..i'm amazed by flashy tricks and i can't judge by anything else" crap.

Everyone knows how great Lampard is. You could have made your point without coming off like football fandom's version of the Cro-Magnon. What, exactly, drives the Brit hatred of skill? This attitude is exactly what kept poor Glenn Hoddle off the pitch for England for so long.

At some point, you people are going to learn that ball deception and misdirection skills (Yes, I said SKILLS. You'll notice I haven't used any derogatory terms like "tricks", "flash" or "ponce about with the ball") became part of the Game long ago (you'd think that would have been clear after Hungary --yes, even European teams use skills from time to time-- destroyed England home and away decades ago). A bigger hammer is not always the answer, and when it becomes the answer more oten than it ain't, that's the day I quit loving the Game. The Game doesn't need another Roy Keane hack-worshipping fest. Let it always remain as beautiful as it became under Pele.

Perhaps you'd be better off following another sport, like maybe the NFL. Hay Seuss.