German Soccer and Anti-Semitism

[kravi]

Okay, so six months before the start of the World Cup, this happens (http://iamadoughnut.blogspot.com/2005/12/football-culture_06.html).

And this is another report (http://medienkritik.typepad.com/blog/2005/12/german_soccer_u.html).

And the media tries to downplay it, because they don't want a stink made.

Bloody hell...

--kravi

[Brava Rookie]

Okay, so six months before the start of the World Cup, this happens (http://iamadoughnut.blogspot.com/2005/12/football-culture_06.html).

And this is another report (http://medienkritik.typepad.com/blog/2005/12/german_soccer_u.html).

And the media tries to downplay it, because they don't want a stink made.

Bloody hell...

--kravi


It's so unfortunate that these people shoot for the biggest stages to make the biggest morons out of themselves. I truly hope that secruity is taking a no nonsense approach at the games this summer and throwing those idiots out, preferably throwing them into jail.

[JLZ286]

Thats a shame. How can they complain that the rest of the world still views them badly when they keep doing things like this.

[Ricky_DCU]

Thats a shame. How can they complain that the rest of the world still views them badly when they keep doing things like this.

It is a shame that idiots do this, but it'd also be a shame if people judged an entire nation for the actions of a few jackasses at a soccer match.

[Jagermeister]

It is a shame that idiots do this, but it'd also be a shame if people judged an entire nation for the actions of a few jackasses at a soccer match.

As we know, stuff like this only happens in Germany.

As we know, only the German press would downplay something like this.

Know what? Stuff like this is starting to get boring (posts like this, not the unfortunate incidents by a few jack offs). Unless you are going to post on all of the morons that do this, everywhere in the world, then stop it now.

BTW - Don't assume you know my nationality or religion. You may really wind up looking dumb.

[Jagermeister]

Hey Ricky. Didn't mean to quote you. Wanted Kravi.

I work half of the year all over Europe and if he wants to see this stuff every week, go to Eastern Europe, Italy and Spain.

A lot worse there than in Germany. That's for sure.

If Germany wasn't in the article I doubt anyone brings it up.

If you say otherwise Kravi, the you have alot of reporting coming up each week.

Then again, they ignore these things completely in Italy (no matter how hard Lazio tries), Madrid and Eastern Europe.

The whole, here go the Germans again is boring. It's 2005, not 1945.

If you are going to point it out, point it all out already. Like I said, you will be very busy.

Unfortunately there are asswipes like this everywhere. Judging a whole nation like that is pretty easy to do if you want.

[BBBulldog]

"The country has made enormous efforts post WWII to eradicate anti-Semitism."

East Germany did?

[ElJefe]

"The country has made enormous efforts post WWII to eradicate anti-Semitism."

East Germany did?
That's what I was thinking. I went a West German public school for two years during my high school years (from summer 1986 to summer 1988) and can vouch that they made great efforts in West Germany to accept responsibility for what happened and ensure that it never happened again.

My understanding was that it wasn't quite the same in East Germany and that it was allegedly the fault of the fascists and capitalist pigs, who coincidentally were running the West and whom were run out of the workers' paradise that the SED had established in the East.

It's not a coincidence that you see a lot more of the neo-Nazi stuff going down in the East these days than you do in the West.

[Knave]

I moved this thread here from another board where it was clearly off-topic. On this board it will be moderated VERY closely.

[CoenD2]

Hey Ricky. Didn't mean to quote you. Wanted Kravi.

I work half of the year all over Europe and if he wants to see this stuff every week, go to Eastern Europe, Italy and Spain.

A lot worse there than in Germany. That's for sure.

If Germany wasn't in the article I doubt anyone brings it up.

If you say otherwise Kravi, the you have alot of reporting coming up each week.

Then again, they ignore these things completely in Italy (no matter how hard Lazio tries), Madrid and Eastern Europe.

The whole, here go the Germans again is boring. It's 2005, not 1945.

If you are going to point it out, point it all out already. Like I said, you will be very busy.

Unfortunately there are asswipes like this everywhere. Judging a whole nation like that is pretty easy to do if you want.

I absolutely agree with you.

[kravi]

Hey Ricky. Didn't mean to quote you. Wanted Kravi.

I work half of the year all over Europe and if he wants to see this stuff every week, go to Eastern Europe, Italy and Spain.

A lot worse there than in Germany. That's for sure.

If Germany wasn't in the article I doubt anyone brings it up.

If you say otherwise Kravi, the you have alot of reporting coming up each week.

Then again, they ignore these things completely in Italy (no matter how hard Lazio tries), Madrid and Eastern Europe.

The whole, here go the Germans again is boring. It's 2005, not 1945.

If you are going to point it out, point it all out already. Like I said, you will be very busy.

Unfortunately there are asswipes like this everywhere. Judging a whole nation like that is pretty easy to do if you want.

Easy there, graceful. Take a deep ********ing breath and count to ten.

One. What pisses me off is the lack of reaction to the German press.

Two. I think the Germans should be particularly sensitive to things like this, and should have stomped hard on whoever did it.

Three. I'm in bloody flaming Germany all the flaming time, as well as the rest of Europe. Yes, sh!t like this is all over the place. In Germany, the powers that be usually do a much better job of keeping things clean. Which is why I'm particularly depressed that they didn't this time.

Four. Just because there are **************s all over the world, doesn't mean that it makes it okay.

--kravi

[Wotan]

Kravi----Jagermeister had it absolutely right!!!! Let it go. My friends in Italy tell me Lazio does things that make this look like nothing. And, Eastern Europe is worse. The Germans do all they can! What the H&## did you want them to do??? Splash it all over the headlines & hang the guys? :confused:

When I was in college--during "Big 5" games (Basketball games among the city's 5 team rivals)-----Our booster club had many "rollouts" that today would be considered HIGHLY Politically incorrect (This was in mid 1960s)---

So---Again---Kravi--let it go! Jagermeister's words were "right on". Let's talk soccer. :)

[Rostam]

this thread should be moved to the politics forum!

[Germanshepherd]

Agreed. Its also pretty common in football to denounce the opponent with similar things. They would have written poles or turks if the opponent would have a "P" or "T" in its name instead of an "D". Its lowlife nontheless.

[benztown]

What pisses me off is the lack of reaction to the German press.


If you give those a$$es coverage you do exactly what they wated. They want attention, thats for sure.

[Autogolazo]

Isn't Cottbus Gregg Berhalter's team?

Note that those fans aren't sitting in the cheap seats.

["Eisenfuß" Eilts]

One. What pisses me off is the lack of reaction to the German press.

--kravi

There was a reaction:
1. German police made videos of the scene
2. German police gave the information to the prosecution, who started a process
3. Cottbus gave the guys a stadium ban
4. Thing was discussed in many fan forums and the German fans
showed disgust and also some hate for the offenders

To the reaction of the media:
I can´t understand your blame, that there was nothing in German press.
All big magazines printed it:
Here some online versions of Focus, Sportbild, Spiegel, ...
focus.de (in German) (http://focus.msn.de/hps/fol/newsausgabe/newsausgabe.htm?id=22427)
Sportbild article (http://www.sportbild.de/nncs/fussball/2005/12/06/1720100004.html)
spiegel article (http://www.spiegel.de/sport/fussball/0,1518,389568,00.html)

So you can´t say, people in Germany don´t care about such antiseministic things.

To the people, who said these things also happened in other states.
That´s correct, antisemitism exists in nearly every country (also in Israel),
but to say it happens also in other countries is not good,
because the problem with such antisemistic people in stadia needs to be solved.

I think, you all share the opinion, that there is a problem.
It shouldn´t be made too dramatical as it was made by some people here,
but fact is, it must be solved.

What made me think is, how the banners and also the firework rockets could come into the stadium?

[BBBulldog]

What made me think is, how the banners and also the firework rockets could come into the stadium?

where there's will there's way :D

[karny9]

more like, since those people spent a ton of cash on those seats, they can bring whatever they please into the stadium.

[arthur d]

There was a reaction:
1. German police made videos of the scene
2. German police gave the information to the prosecution, who started a process
3. Cottbus gave the guys a stadium ban
4. Thing was discussed in many fan forums and the German fans
showed disgust and also some hate for the offenders

To the reaction of the media:
I can´t understand your blame, that there was nothing in German press.
All big magazines printed it:
Here some online versions of Focus, Sportbild, Spiegel, ...
focus.de (in German) (http://focus.msn.de/hps/fol/newsausgabe/newsausgabe.htm?id=22427)
Sportbild article (http://www.sportbild.de/nncs/fussball/2005/12/06/1720100004.html)
spiegel article (http://www.spiegel.de/sport/fussball/0,1518,389568,00.html)

So you can´t say, people in Germany don´t care about such antiseministic things.

To the people, who said these things also happened in other states.
That´s correct, antisemitism exists in nearly every country (also in Israel),
but to say it happens also in other countries is not good,
because the problem with such antisemistic people in stadia needs to be solved.

I think, you all share the opinion, that there is a problem.
It shouldn´t be made too dramatical as it was made by some people here,
but fact is, it must be solved.

What made me think is, how the banners and also the firework rockets could come into the stadium?

Yes this wasn't swept inder the carpet, I also saw the Spiegel article before. Anyway, I thought this is being handled quite well. Ban them, prosecute them, and don't forget to try to create better living conditions in the East and provide better education than the DDR did so that the number of Neo Nazi idiots becomes smaller. The Neo Nazi parties live off frustrated, badly educated idiots, so the best thing you can do is trying to minimise frustration and maximise education.